Waldo County Commissioners Advance Budget With Market Rate Salary Adjustments

[0:05] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): Are we on record? No. Bless you. Jason, are we on record? [0:23] Commissioner: It's the new can you hear me now? [0:25] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): I can hear you. We're good? Okay. Calling a meeting to order. This is September 29, 2026. It's the Waldorf County Commissioner's Special Court Session for Budget Review. And welcome. Roll call. Commissioner Bree. Here. Commissioner Kelly. Here. Here, Commissioner Parker, absent. Review and revise and approval of the agenda. Anything you want to change, Bree? [0:58] Commissioner: I'll be honest. I haven't seen the agenda, so. All right. [1:02] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): We can change on the fly if we have to. Yep. Review the budget recommendations that the advisory committee will submit to the committee chair, Owen Smith, on September 25th. What do we have, Owen? Do you have anything? Do we have anything yet? [1:20] Owen Smith (Finance Advisory Committee Chair): So, right now, the Finance Advisory Committee has gone through the EMA budget, they've gone through the Commissioner's budget, HR, Finance, Facilities, Deeds, Probate, Sheriff's Office, and Jail. [1:33] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): Which ones have they missed? [1:35] Owen Smith (Finance Advisory Committee Chair): They still need to meet with Information Technology and the Health. [1:44] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): And Health. IT and Health. Health we know grows as late as we can because of... [1:49] Owen Smith (Finance Advisory Committee Chair): And they're scheduled to meet with Information Technology Friday this week. Okay. And they haven't made any solid recommendations. They've listened to a lot of the departments. I've presented most of them, but they've been pretty... they have seen the little increase that there is and they haven't made too many recommendations as far as reductions they have noted that under the communications budget that there was an increase of $25,000 their recommendation was not this year [2:32] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): communications and that was a transcription software that was transcription software [2:38] Owen Smith (Finance Advisory Committee Chair): I have not pulled it out officially because you did make a motion to add it with the... [2:46] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): So when we get to communications, we'll review that. Yes. [2:49] Owen Smith (Finance Advisory Committee Chair): And then there are a handful of departments that have some updated changes to their budgets that I've asked them to come and present today. Sure. Okay. [2:57] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): So they haven't reviewed, just to recap, IT and health. Health, we know, goes all the way to the end. That is correct. And we get the accurate numbers. And then IT is Friday. [3:07] Owen Smith (Finance Advisory Committee Chair): Okay. Oh, they have not met with the DAs either. Oh, a DA? Yep. [3:13] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): So it's DA, IT, and HELP that are still pending with the Advisory Committee. Understood. Okay. So one thing is, I think once they go through all those, then I think the DA, IT, and HELP is probably not so much the HELP maybe, but you get concrete create yay or nays through the budgets, you know, to see where they stand on the budget. I think that gives the budget committee, you know, more of that it was reviewed and more information was presented to them, so they actually have their consensus on what the issues are in the budget. Okay, so all business reviews the personnel lines for inclusion. May I, Kevin, before we move on? [4:00] Commissioner: Can I add something about that? So can we get examples from, I don't know if you have a direct link of communication with other county commissioners in the state, or if you can provide me a way of doing that, I'd be happy to reach out. But I would like examples of other finance committees bylaws, because I think we need to formalize this. When we started this, I didn't think this would be another committee looking at the budget. I don't want to overstep the toes of the budget committee. I also think it's great to have more people looking at a thing and more ideas. That's good. But I think officially, as this committee becomes more formalized, that reviewing the budget, we've got the department heads doing budget, the commissioners doing budget, a finance advisory committee doing budget, and the budget committee doing budget. It seems like a duplication of efforts. I know these are sort of unusual times where we're in the midst of a reset and kind of getting our act more together. So I don't mind it right now, but I do think that we need some sort of bylaws, formalized way of that committee functioning. And I think that maybe just reaching out to other counties would be the best way to find examples of that. What do you think? [5:15] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): So is this for the advisory committee or the budget committee? [5:17] Commissioner: Yes, for the advisory committee. [5:19] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): I can reach out. That's an easy reach. And I'll keep you in the loop on that, Brie, just so we're on the same page. I think that's a great thought, though. Yep. And if I'm not looking up, just start speaking, Brie. Yep. That's okay. Okay, the other thing was the old business was a review of the department's personal lines for inclusion of the 3.4% COLA for non-union employees. employees. So I know we did market rate analysis, salary analysis of certain positions, and which positions were the positions? I want to refresh my memory on that. [6:04] Finance/HR staff (budget presenter): So there have been quite a few of them. We did county clerk. We did communications. We did facilities. We did finance. We did EMA. We did two positions in the DA's office as a complete restructuring, create the job analysis for those. We also did the sheriff, we did deeds, and we did probate. Any ones that we missed or we did not do? We did not do IT because the need there is bigger for an additional person. And we did not do HR because I was just hired recently. Okay. What was the reason we didn't do IT? Because the need there, the bigger need there [6:43] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): is for another person okay so because hr was split last year and then the salary was at market rate when hr came on board okay so that was already market rate at that time then it we're trying to get a second position in there because it's a one-person department for another it support person right got it okay essentially we did them all then pretty much except for those two Yeah. Okay. It's easier for me to remember the exceptions versus the all in. [7:17] Owen Smith (Finance Advisory Committee Chair): Looking at my notes, I apologize. The finance advisory committee did make a recommendation in the facilities and they strongly felt that the custodian position needed to be moved from [7:31] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): part-time to full-time. That was the position from full, part-time to full? Yes. And that would have been that's going from 20 to 32 that is correct and we reduced it from 32 down to 20 [7:45] Commissioner: last year to try to get the budget okay did you get that brie i heard that yeah i'm i that was a commissioner that reduction from the department request from 39 by from 64 bi-weekly to 39 bi-weekly we set it back to the 39 and so the finance advisory committee is saying no put it back okay our how do you feel about that because i know chris is here [8:19] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): from the do you want to speak to it chris yeah we just we talked on come up chris so she can get in the camera and then if you would just move the slide of the podium over a little bit thanks chris appreciate it i think that i think the rain is making everybody sluggish this morning So that's making me sluggish. [8:46] Facilities representative: We talked with the Finance Advisory Committee a couple Fridays ago and just kind of went over all of the buildings and the process of the custodian position. And just really, we're not, given the amount of buildings and offices there are, we're not up to standard. And I think more time would help. getting back up to 32 and it just we can hit the three days a week just doesn't work so it's really [9:17] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): noticeable in the housekeeping issue that it's just not enough time yes based on time and distance too right okay do you agree with that brie you're muted yeah you agree okay all right so do you want to do we want to do a motion or you want to wait till we get to communications patients [9:50] Commissioner: We can do, go ahead and make a motion. Yeah, I'll put, I'll make a motion on the [9:56] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): table to increase that housekeeping position of facilities from 20 hours to 32 hours, which makes it full time, due to the necessity. Second. Discussion. Hearing none, that's unanimous. Thank you, Chris. Thank you. Got your, for now, you know how that goes. All right, so let's, let's go back to where we're at here. Okay, so we're back to the salary increases, so let's just walk through each position so that we know exactly what it is. So, EMA, 1010. Let me see if I can find out. EMA director. All right, you're going to have to walk us through this one, Tracy. So, you did analysis and you had how many counties? [11:00] Finance/HR staff (budget presenter): Oh, goodness. I had it printed out. I'm going to have to go back and print it out again. Give me a moment to go do that. We're going to walk through first. [11:06] Owen Smith (Finance Advisory Committee Chair): Sure. All right. So, I'll go print it out. [11:08] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): So I'll count them up. So out of 16, actually 16 counties, but if you look at Aroostook County, do the district splitting, judicial district, they have, I can't say it, Aroostook North and Aroostook South. So you might want to say 17, but so let's go 16 counties. So the response was 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. There's eight out of the 16. So we're at the 50th percentile for comparison. And then we looked at, you looked at tenure. Correct. Which Penobscot has one year, but the other ones are all 13, 14, 15 years, 20 years experience on the job. There's three that have 20 years experience on the job. So we'll wait for the rest of it here to go through just so that you can hear it while we're waiting for that. I know Carrie's out of the room for this one here too, but do you know if she put the wage adjustments in there now that we've signed an asking contract? Yes, she did, we've got those in there. Okay, so that's not on there, it's now on the budget for DA, deeds and probate. All right, so those numbers are in. Perfect, thank you. All right, we're on pause here for just a sec. I don't want to jump around too much, so appreciate everybody's patience. [13:08] Speaker F (unidentified): Thanks. [13:13] Owen Smith (Finance Advisory Committee Chair): Carrie Marie, I emailed it to your county email so you can follow along. Okay, and we also sent you the agenda. I hope that came through. Okay. [13:29] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): So are you ready, Tracy? Correct. All right, go ahead. So let's just start with, well, which one do you want? Do you want to go alphabetical? Communications? [13:38] Finance/HR staff (budget presenter): Sure, we can go communications. [13:40] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): All right, just get down the list. Sure. [13:42] Finance/HR staff (budget presenter): So the new salary increase on that, based on a survey we've done of several different counties, we specifically narrowed down communications to counties, and we also looked at call volume when we were doing the analysis for communications. Communications, so based on that we went with the, with almost all of these we went with the 50th percentile, or we compared only to specific counties that are closest to us. So for the communications we compared with the 50th percentile, and that new salary would then be 94,450 for the budget request. With all of these salaries, they do not take effect until the person has hit their anniversary. At the beginning of the year, they all get the 3.4% COLA, and then the step increase to the new salary hits when they hit their anniversary date. [14:32] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): So in this case here, then, we're comparing, I'm just looking at the detail here. We're looking at Sagatahawk, which I pronounced correctly, Knox, those are our two closest, Lincoln didn't participate, paid but those are our two closest counties and so we looked at those in the medium percentile correct okay so the current salary is eighty two thousand six hundred and six hundred sixty nine dollars and eight cents correct and the budget request is ninety four thousand four hundred fifty dollars and twenty cents correct that's an increase of eleven thousand seven hundred eighty one dollars and twelve cents. Okay, and so you drove it to the 50th percentile. Okay, and the main reason for these, just for anybody that's watching this recording, is that union rates have a higher slope or higher increase simply because of the fact that the union contracts. And the non-union employees have a limited increase due to the COLAs through the years. Some years, I know there was one year that was 0% of the years, there might have been a 1%, 2%, 3%, or 4% increase. And so we've fallen off the market rate and we have to get back to parity here. So we're trying to get parity, the medium percentile for those in certain positions to get us back where we need to be okay so reed you want to do you want to vote separately on that one [16:16] Commissioner: You mean vote by each staff? Correct, rather than the whole thing is blocked. Do we have to? No, which way? I think it seems more efficient to just do it at the end. Do it. [16:31] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): At the end, okay, yep, as long as we don't have changes. County clerk, walk us through that one. [16:36] Finance/HR staff (budget presenter): So this one was a little bit more challenging because we are the only county with a county clerk. So what I did was I compared this to the name of the position, compliance officers within the state of Maine as a whole and within this local area. Because what does she do but keep us in line with all of the laws? That's one of the biggest things. So that's really the closest fit to what she does. So based on that, when we were looking at the percentile ranking of compliance officers within this area, including Bangor, where she was at, that would be $77,660. [17:17] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): So that's a salary increase of $4,419.04. That's an increase of 6%. Next. [17:24] Finance/HR staff (budget presenter): So the DA's office is a restructure. This is going to be more similar to some of the other DA's offices within the state where they have an investigator and then they have someone who's focusing only on the investigations and then someone who's handling the office duties. So because of that, we are now changing the prosecutorial assistant position to strictly being an investigator position, and then we are taking the deputy prosecutorial assistant position, and we are making that now a new position called office manager. And we are working on job descriptions for these. I'm hoping to have these to you before the end of the year. So because of that, because we're keeping a benchmarking compared to the other counties, that would be an increase for the investigator of up to $47,862.74. Again, this is based on the beginning of the year getting the COLA and then at their anniversary date receiving this new salary increase. The actual full salary of the investigator is higher. It's just the way that we're doing it for this budget season. Zone. And then the office manager, same thing. We did a comparison with other DA's offices throughout the state, and we found that this particular position that's handling all the administrative duties and is the main point for contact for administrative function is going to be at $65,310.47 for the budget. Again, this is something that will be increased when they actually do hit their anniversary date and this is now going to be the head of the department the investigator will now be reporting to this position. Okay, so in the case of the investigator. [19:06] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): For the district attorney's office, that's a budget request of increase of ten thousand one hundred twenty three dollars and twenty two cents. That's an increase of eighteen point four percent. The office manager for the DA has an increase of $6,696.47. That's 11% increase. Okay, moving on. Deeds. [19:29] Finance/HR staff (budget presenter): Deeds. This one was, we did a really thorough analysis. I think this one was the most counties out of anybody. I think we ended up hearing back from 14 counties of the 17 that we mentioned. And this definitely needed a market rate analysis because we were also looking at the number of queries, the number of the volume that was handled by Deeds. And even though we were being paid somewhere around the 22nd percentile, we were handling the 66th percentile of volume. So we then looked at the right there at the median to come up with this new number here for Deeds, which would now be 71, 420, 45. [20:08] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): 45. Okay. And so in the case of deeds, I know that's an increase of $6,161.45. That's an increase of 9.4%. And I noticed when we look at the productivity, I know that the deeds has been in that position for over 30 years. And two, when I look at productivity, that department's at the 66th percentile of all the counties. So next, EMA. [20:36] Finance/HR staff (budget presenter): EMA. We were kind of talking about this one. We were also looking at tenure. We were comparing similar counties, and we were looking at tenure. And we have one of the most tenured EMA in the entire state. So because of that, the new budget request is $90,609.50. [20:55] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): Okay. In the case of EMA, that's $11,601.50, which is a percentage increase of 14.7%. I know that the EMA director has brought in over $10 million since 2006 in grants and has a master's in emergency management, which I don't think anybody else has in the state. [21:14] Finance/HR staff (budget presenter): I don't believe so. Okay, next. Facilities. So for facilities, we also looked at tenure for that one as well. We were looking at the different count. We did a comparison of similar counties. We looked at tenure. Our facilities is not as tenured as some of the other counties, which is why this is not as much of an increase, but it still gets us back up to parity based on the level of the other counties and based on tenure. So the new level for the facilities is $63,197.79. [21:46] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): Okay, so that's an increase of $4,664.77 cents for a percentage increase of 7.8 percent. I want to make note that the facilities department, they try to save the county money any way they can. They installed steps in Waldo, probably saved us about $3,000 to $5,000 there. Flooring over here, they've probably saved us at least $2,000 to $3,000 over there. So they're always looking for ways to save the county money. [22:12] Finance/HR staff (budget presenter): On you. So next. Finance. So our finance is very, far below the other counties. So this was a pretty significant step here. And this is going to be $78,044.12. [22:30] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): So that's $8,145.20 and it's a It's a 10.5% increase for, did I get that right? Yes, I did. Okay. For a finance director for a one-person department. [22:47] Finance/HR staff (budget presenter): Judge of probate, we may need to do an executive session for judge of probate. All right. Or bring in someone from probate. So we'll skip over to probate. So our tenure, our probate, our register of probate has been here longer than. 42 years. Yes. Anyone else in the county? [23:05] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): The one that's 44 years, the longest serving one in the state of Maine. Correct. [23:09] Finance/HR staff (budget presenter): So based on her tenure and based on the other counties, we made a recommendation of an increase to $78,216.61. [23:18] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): So that's an increase of $7,190.61, which is a 10.1% increase. [23:26] Finance/HR staff (budget presenter): Correct. And then the sheriff's office, I've done a salary survey comparing all of the other sheriffs in the state. And we see that we needed to make an adjustment up to that one. So the recommendation then is $122,000. [23:42] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): All right. Hold on. Let me just get to the insurance. Oh, there it is. Thank you. I got it. [24:04] Commissioner: So wage compression is an issue in that department. And with our current numbers, we've got sort of the top three people in that department out of order in terms of like seniority and pay and I don't know if that's something that we would need to address an executive session but the three at the highest rate which includes I think one union employee which is sort of why we wind up in this place is because the union employees go up and up and then we have the two non-union about non-union above them that haven't been getting the increases all Along the way to, I won't say compete with that, but to sort of go along with that. What do you think, Kevin? I agree with you for the executive session. [24:54] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): I want to make a comment on wage compression. It happens in every department. [Speaker F (unidentified): Every department's] got unions. So you've got wage compression in deeds. You've got wage compression in probate. You've got wage compression in communication. So the ones that have union members, it's always going to be an issue. But I firmly believe that we shouldn't be comparing using the union rates as the benchmark for determining, as one of the data points for determining what the top people should be making. And I think it should be comparative to other counties in similar situations and data points, you know, looking at it that way. Otherwise, you know, basically the union rates are managing the management rates. And I don't think that's a good way to be taking a look at this. So that's all the increases here. Okay, so do you want to go to executive session and talk about, You said you had one to talk about in the judge, and what was the other one? [26:02] Owen Smith (Finance Advisory Committee Chair): Sheriff's and jail as well. [26:05] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): Sheriff, judge, and jail. So I'll move to have us go into executive session under 405A. Is that right? So, yes. Personal issues, just let us know when we're off record. Is that a second, Bree? Second. Okay, thank you. And let's wait a few seconds. Just give us the I sign bar. back on back on record are we on Jason we're on thank you we're back in session we have two motions that we need to act on now we're out of executive session [27:03] Commissioner: I move that we approve incorporating the market rate salary adjustments worksheet with the following edits and incorporate those figures into the budget. The market rate adjustment worksheet covers the following staff members, communications, county clerk, investigator at the DA's office, manager at the DA's office, deeds, EMA director, facilities director, finance director, judge of probate, and sheriff, with the following edits that the judge of probates salary shall be $45,732.50 and that the sheriff's salary will be $124,000. [27:57] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): Second. Any more discussion? Hearing none, call the question. All those in favor? Motion is unanimous. Thank you. [28:03] Commissioner: what else second motion is to apply the 3.4 percent cola to the chief deputy's salary for 2026 which would bring that salary to 121 485 dollars second any more discussion hearing that call the [28:24] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): question motion carries and let's keep moving on here so what else we got how much time you got [28:33] Commissioner: that great let me see 15 minutes i would say 15 yep dale do you have something on your [28:44] Sheriff's Office representative: budget i've got some things i can change bro i don't know if you want to go here yeah let's do [28:49] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): it quick she's good hi dale hello once i lose her then the quorum's over yeah [28:56] Commissioner: Sorry about that. [28:59] Sheriff's Office representative: So one of the changes we're looking at is 4820 deuce and subscriptions. We have a satellite phone right now. We found that if we bring on Starlink, which we're planning on trying to do anyways, we can link our cell phones to the Starlink by wi-fi and we don't need actually need satellite phone. So originally we were looking at going from $1,353 to $1,200, we're actually looking at going to $600 now instead. [29:32] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): That's the line item. Which is? [29:37] Sheriff's Office representative: Juice. Okay. It's $50 a month for the mobile Starlink unit. [29:43] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): So you want to drop that to? Go back to the original? Okay. [29:49] Sheriff's Office representative: Well, the original was for $26 or the original for a number for $27? [29:55] Speaker F (unidentified): 27 was 1200 12. so you want to go to 600 yeah okay got it 's a pleasure having you join us dale [30:03] Sheriff's Office representative: Yeah line 4325 EMA online programs one of the tools that we've been using called Blue Marble and GIS program that's been 245 they're now going to like 1200 so we're going to delete [30:20] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): it we're going to just stick with the current and the title of that line item is I don't have [30:25] Commissioner: the DMA online programs is that the same as what it doesn't say that on our sheet is that web [30:31] Speaker F (unidentified): portals EMA web portals could be all right you want to go to what Dale so we're looking to go to [Sheriff's Office representative: 4410 for] a total and that line item had been effort the original 27 request was 46.55 buy okay so 4410 yeah great food we 're not going to do our banquet this year [30:59] Sheriff's Office representative: okay so we're looking to drop the new food line to 1000 the original 27 request was 11 25 over a thousand we had 1600 last year understood and I've got a grant to help with some of my supply costs so we're looking to go from the 18th that's the supplies five three five to go from 1875 to 1500 which is 1900 was last year's so we're down 400 on that one overall okay that's a really small [31:39] Commissioner: small grant. This brings me back to the conversation of whether, you know, the big version of this is changing medical inmate from 400 to 300 last year because we were offsetting it by opioid. This is a miniature version of that where we're going to take a few hundred bucks out of the budget because of a revenue offset. And I wonder if we should not do that, if we should leave it as is and account for that grant funding elsewhere. We talked about doing one sheet to account for grant funding and reserve use and things like that yeah we've been able to this is [32:13] Sheriff's Office representative: something we get every year we don't have to really compete for it or anything oh you get it [32:17] Speaker F (unidentified): every year yeah okay it's our hazmat planning money and they allow to use it to make copies [32:24] Sheriff's Office representative: of our emergency operations plan to do mapping, so the plotter paper and the ink and all that, so it's a huge cut for that. [32:35] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): I would leave this one alone. Great. [32:37] Commissioner: Okay. Yeah. So what's the number on that one? [32:43] Sheriff's Office representative: It's 5-3-3-5 supplies. Supply line. [32:47] Commissioner: And we're reducing that to $1,500? Correct. Okay. [32:54] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): Anything else yet? That's it. Okay. So you want a motion to approve on this one? [33:00] Commissioner: move? Yeah, I move we approve the updated EMA budget to include the reductions from EMA web portals to 4410, 4,410, to reduce dues to 600, to reduce food to 1,000, and to reduce supplies to [33:21] Speaker F (unidentified): fifteen hundred second discussion here or not motion carries unanimous thanks dale sure mike [33:31] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): what's your budget for the plate number i'll find it 1076. thanks what do you got now yeah so that would have been on a program software So we're going to reduce the commissioners' request under program software. The original request was $60,649.09, and we're going to reduce that by $25,000? Correct. Any other reductions? [34:18] Speaker H (unidentified): I don't have any other reductions. The only thing I did find out, my line NCIC Metro is going to be up in the air right this minute. So they replaced the circuits. so we ended up i just got a bill that was double what we normally pay and when i emailed them she came back and said that we had to pay for both circuits while they were live because they replaced it we're required to pay that so i asked her i said so what is this going to change going forward for 2027 as i'm in the middle of budget and i have not received a response yet as to what that is going to be i'm hoping it's not that much like she said we're paying double for this month until the other circuits decommissioned which it was just decommissioned two weeks ago so i'm keeping it the same right now i'm pending waiting to hear back from them what was the name of the software that's for our ncic metro circuits that's the circuit that runs driver's licenses and all that stuff but you just said that you got a bill that was double that price it was because we had to pay for both live circuits but once the other one's e-commissioned to go back to one live circuit so i'm hoping that it's going to be the same bill but tell me either way what the new bill for 2027 would be okay [35:42] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): all right so you're that's up in the air but it is we're reducing the program software 25 000 off that [35:51] Commissioner: Line here, okay. Anything else, Mike? That's all, okay. Yep, I move we approve the communication center budget with the 25,000 subtraction from program software. Second. Discussion. Hearing that motion [36:11] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): carries. Anything else, Mike? That's it. Thank you very much. Thank you. Anything else? Three [36:18] Commissioner: I will, I'll just send you and you can look at it after or whatever, but I just made a list of some thoughts on some budget items, but if any of them are worth merit maybe we can bring them up on Thursday. But sounds good. Yeah, thank you all. Sorry I had to squeeze this in. No problem. Thank [36:38] Commissioner/Chair (presiding): you for squeezing. Motion with no second. Thank you. We're done. I'll take the second. That's it. Let us know when we're up record. Thank you everyone. Yeah, we're off [37:14] Speaker F (unidentified): I have to get the budget if you remember. Yes