Wiscasset Ordinance Committee Advances Zoning Rewrite, Seeks New Map

[3:48] Speaker A (unidentified): Getting the outline and now we're up for the minutes of the August 14th meeting. [3:59] Speaker B (unidentified): Sorry, I might emotionally accept them as presented. Second? Any comments, questions? [4:05] Speaker A (unidentified): Correct me seeing that all of them there. And then I suppose for the wedding. All right. Those ordinance. It was yours. [4:22] Speaker C (unidentified): That's the edits that you suggested. [4:27] Speaker A (unidentified): I have all my pages. Yep. [4:33] Speaker C (unidentified): No, actually this. And the first one is residential, which also has the edits, yeah, from previous that you suggested done. The one with the big ones was village one. That's what it doesn't say complete on the top. [4:54] Speaker A (unidentified): And I'm still running on that one. I don't need to practice it. [4:57] Speaker D (unidentified): I've got it for you, by the way. [5:00] Speaker A (unidentified): All right. Either one district getting on to read it. [5:04] Speaker E (unidentified): This is the one that we're talking about. Maybe it's pretty hot. [5:08] Speaker A (unidentified): And we said that is hopefully, yes, hopefully for even the newest map. Map I've done gives up for mine, Cheryl. I don't know, I'm sleeping. I've been ignoring that quite a [5:24] Speaker C (unidentified): bit. Nice, that's pretty good, but [5:30] Speaker A (unidentified): that's the only district they like. They look at all of my history. That's why I've turned on the others. We've got a lot of existing zones, okay. [6:18] Speaker C (unidentified): Yeah, it's nice to get that whole one behind you there, all of us, that you can see the difference. [6:50] Speaker E (unidentified): If you guys think it's right, I'll go on. [7:08] Speaker A (unidentified): Your motion is to accept the wording for E.D. and Bill is not in this group. It's [7:19] Speaker B (unidentified): essentially red. You call that smashing what I'm looking at? [7:24] Speaker A (unidentified): That I hope so. We're going to take it and walk over there and follow it around because [7:29] Speaker C (unidentified): be thankful we did. How many should in four drafts? I think it's [7:36] Speaker A (unidentified): pretty darn close. And yeah, one thing I did should be probably noticed is like the intersection of College, Washington and Route One is probably not the same point. They don't need the same quote, [8:03] Speaker B (unidentified): so that's why it's a weird intersection in New York. I make a motion we need to sell as presented in the village one district that's presented. I make a motion to accept this. [8:15] Speaker A (unidentified): That I'll tell you and in our discussion, common expression, all those in favor, we want to pass. You want to do that, Stevie, residential? Yeah, they wouldn't do everything then. That was a sudden thought was coming. Did anybody [8:54] Speaker C (unidentified): looked at the whole district discussions comparatively? How you should take a look at them. These are, do we have that well together in the ordinance? I mean, I'll send them out because I did actually send out over the piles of emails. [9:16] Speaker A (unidentified): I do have a couple of mining they're pretty moderated. First I'm going to land at Bradford Road section. There's one up and we can Bradford Road Frontage A. It should be Road Frontage 2A. [9:35] Speaker B (unidentified): It's a little point for under a foot here. Where do you have that? [9:38] Speaker C (unidentified): 2A. Yeah, I see it. T-O. [9:41] Speaker B (unidentified): Oh. T-O space A. Okay. Road Frontage T-O space A point. [9:49] Speaker A (unidentified): I'll suggest over Old Bath Road section straight contained within a line because it goes all the way around. So we're beginning with straight contained within a line and capitalized B for beginning okay instead of right-of-way I would put comma a private right-of-way because not everybody knows that r slash w is anyway yeah and it's not apparently a public right-of-way and then just strike it the second time it appears now we're reminded there's an extra space in the parenthetical being the time and then by the way the composite package too that's your decker shots which is what's that say group there yeah that's just for me that's sort of deckers the other one was at the down line yeah it was just an extra space it says oh boys now [11:33] Speaker C (unidentified): there's people you know me so [12:50] Speaker F (unidentified): i'm telling you to make a motion is that what you [12:53] Speaker B (unidentified): guys make a motion to accept with the with the changes previously made changes already made tonight to the written document so i make a motion that we accept dd residential willow lane to bradford road with the changes made by call no second follow [Speaker A (unidentified): up there make] a motion on the old bath road section that we accepted with the few changes made by call to the written [13:37] Speaker C (unidentified): document by saying i was there well [13:45] Speaker A (unidentified): back when i came on the ground and see that i have something you would you [14:12] Speaker C (unidentified): would actually already mean that it's the village too then i had changed harmony [15:02] Speaker A (unidentified): There were no [15:11] Speaker B (unidentified): changes made to that? [15:13] Speaker C (unidentified): There were previously. [15:14] Speaker F (unidentified): But this version right here is just a change. [15:18] Speaker B (unidentified): previously changed i make a motion ff village district both northeast and southwest of route 1 be approved as written by the second oh it's fair that thing [15:51] Speaker A (unidentified): okay after i know some level changes in the put on page two or probably We're going to change square work indicator to SQ.FT. All right. I'll [16:45] Speaker B (unidentified): make a motion. We accept the lot size, the square foot. Step back for deployments. The only change being made. That in the print them instead of saying SQ squiggle that says SQFT. [16:59] Speaker A (unidentified): t wait a second no i'm seeing about the color and the changes that i might have suggested this is lost get five thousand square feet with public sewers why are you not leading program you're not saying and you are which is i believe what the original word is i have thought of water but not public sure i'm not sure there's some people who could be just the other way around. [17:41] Speaker C (unidentified): Yeah, I don't know what happened there, public sewer and water, yeah, so. [18:01] Speaker A (unidentified): If you're wondering where I made it, that you can make any change. [18:03] Speaker C (unidentified): To that, so no second, all right, first and second with the two of this. [18:12] Speaker A (unidentified): All those are clear, it passes. [18:23] Speaker B (unidentified): We now have the Nesiput watershed on the chart. [19:06] Speaker A (unidentified): Remember, unless this goes through the planning board, we don't get it back, unless the planning board will be done, unless the soylent rejected send it back, or it's just formatted wrong, well, the reason why is because and I just plan it, if it's all right with everybody that works for me, it's course I'll have, I'm clicking, you know what about slow down, but still there, it's the heading. [19:32] Speaker C (unidentified): Getting him another use is why it's down there, yeah, rather than complicated. [19:35] Speaker A (unidentified): Because it's a change of use, rather it does not be still there, it makes it delineates it, I think it's okay, so I think it's fine, okay, I'm not afraid of the movement. [19:57] Speaker B (unidentified): That was yesterday, I make a motion we accept the summary from the deduces and the current form that was permitted tonight on 9 28 26, that I said all of those in favor get to the best. [20:36] Speaker A (unidentified): I don't see any changes to that. [20:59] Speaker B (unidentified): Well, it's going to be literate. [21:02] Speaker A (unidentified): Yes. Requirements for building exteriors. That. [21:17] Speaker C (unidentified): One just has the height. Yeah. And. [21:26] Speaker B (unidentified): Months ago. Oh, perfect. [21:30] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah, this is when I printed out. Again, a formatting error. Easily correct. Here, 3, 2, 3,.3. You have lighted wave and long white space. And a line intern and hands-on operating, so it's just a full format and correction. [22:14] Speaker E (unidentified): I've never been to a meeting. [22:21] Speaker B (unidentified): After planning work go home a half hour early, can you come home do something after that, no. [22:29] Speaker C (unidentified): Waiting board's going to make up for it, I can go do a close-up, planning board's going to make up for it, 's going to be a circus in here, is it two dogs pre-app on the young's point, yes, subdivision. [22:46] Speaker B (unidentified): But it's just a free app that's going to have a lot of people deal with, yeah, it doesn't have. [22:50] Speaker C (unidentified): To help a lot of the thing and they tell us what the leash is full solar, it's going to go quick. [23:00] Speaker A (unidentified): And two dogs. Wow. What about a dentist? All right, all right, a motion to correct it just to make the editorial correction. And that's it. Yes, that's all right. What? Yes. Okay, the only other business I have before we send this for the ordinance is clear there has to be a map. Here's whatever map I had up, that one right there only covers one. So we are re-backing all the way through this castle town. I think we need a map. I think we need the ordinances that has to be done. [24:16] Speaker C (unidentified): Well, it says that, I mean, it has to have the completed map has to be done 30 days. [24:22] Speaker A (unidentified): The process must have that. Well, this is a map. [24:25] Speaker C (unidentified): This is all the change. But the completed map doesn't have to be done until 30 days after. [24:31] Speaker A (unidentified): That's the accepted map has to be accepted voted so and then the procedure so further includes scale map showing any proposed change for the creation of new design we change one line in our corner with alpha yeah and then we have to go for that too and we're showing changes all the way down to Long Street Brook and I don't even have this major change to the right of the red zone over to the water but over to Federal Street and then another zone on the other side if I'm really in the Federal Street is what we just proved no this is going to sound maybe this is going to sound I don't know what's going to sound I have necessary data this is outside I have purviewed where I think the responsibility of a member of the orc to do but if this is what [25:34] Speaker D (unidentified): I do for a living I've done that grass but did you need to add the other zones into that [25:42] Speaker A (unidentified): And remember they are the 2009 parcel matches that's the only time that would probably be available but that doesn't really change the lines because we're hard to tell and I think you caught one yes I don't know there is a lot out there that would cost whatever but knowing the certainty that would address these online changes but then we got a little lane and we know what it was actually several things then agate and how long does it continue to do that right maybe three hours but it's fine do I need them three hours I mean it won't anywhere be as pretty as that it would be the I'm just you can't send it to the select one it's good math right for me the reason that says sg math is people are visual they can read all those words yeah how many times have we read it trying to get it right [26:43] Speaker D (unidentified): The other zones, they don't change. Yeah, they are. Yeah, okay. Actually, there'll be a whole new with a note saying that the due to the changes of other zones, it wouldn't be official completion until such and such a date or something like that. I'm just saying the way ivy, it says a [27:16] Speaker A (unidentified): sealed map was part of the amendment process. Then they can send that rough draft out to whoever gets a contract that we issue a map. [27:30] Speaker B (unidentified): I'll make a motion that we hire a call to make a command again. [27:40] Speaker C (unidentified): I appreciate that this board has no authority, but the select board could decide if they want a better map before they go any further. We don't have to make that decision doesn't have to be made entirely in this room, and that is a representational map that is very clear. [28:03] Speaker A (unidentified): It's clear. It's clear of the new Village 1 boundaries. [28:07] Speaker C (unidentified): And anybody looking at an old map could see the difference. And the other one. Go ahead. [28:13] Speaker A (unidentified): Tell me, tell me right now where the, where the E2 boundary is. [28:20] Speaker B (unidentified): Can we send the selectmen a note to clarify, you know, what they would like us to do regarding the map as per the ordinance? [28:29] Speaker A (unidentified): And it is my understanding that once there's the public hearing, the selectmen can't change it. They can go up or down, move forward, but they can't change the map. Well, it won't, so can't we, I can't [28:41] Speaker E (unidentified): really wait, I mean, can't we, sorry, I'm just gonna say, can't we wait and submit the changes across the map when they're ready, when it's ready? I mean, it's not going to make sure november fell anyway. So this is not going to go to a public hearing until maybe 8 or something. [29:08] Speaker C (unidentified): I will before then. There's a lot of things that are contingent on this happening. I mean, it's, there are the town. There are things at stake. [29:19] Speaker A (unidentified): or the semi-aware and i want to move forward but i also want it to be so that it's iron clad so that we have a some projects have people who are opposed to them and they come back and say with a nice lawyer like another corporate work and back in the house now says you didn't do this [29:40] Speaker C (unidentified): probably no but the select board can decide what they want for matt before having a public hearing [29:48] Speaker A (unidentified): No, they can't. [29:50] Speaker F (unidentified): But these descriptions lay out. It's like a deed. [29:57] Speaker C (unidentified): The meaning of the math is actually... [29:59] Speaker A (unidentified): The ordinance is clear. The words help interpret the math, that the math is the first source. And a good deed is drawn from a map. [30:12] Speaker F (unidentified): It's not up to us to make that decision, so I don't know what you want from us tonight. [30:17] Speaker A (unidentified): well it is because we can read the ordinance and say we can't send this to the planning board [30:22] Speaker F (unidentified): Without a map that covers all the changes, right? But it's not up to us to order the survey, don't [30:32] Speaker A (unidentified): We learn that, but it is like that, so I don't know, and ask you that after the board to offer us government to grow them and make changes, I don't know, what do you think? I'll make a motion that we [30:44] Speaker B (unidentified): Send the notice to the selectmen requesting that they hire someone, contract or hire someone, to create the map to satisfy the ordinance with the new changes [31:03] Speaker D (unidentified): Showing the new changes. Should we put a time limit on that so this will move ahead? [31:09] Speaker B (unidentified): You know they'll move as fast as they can. They want us to move, they want us to move, they want [31:15] Speaker F (unidentified): Want us to move it quicker than this committee wants it to do, literally. Yeah, now you have the [31:21] Speaker A (unidentified): George, because I didn't figure that they had the authority. They don't have to vote to live on a certain well. I don't think so. No, I don't know. I'll say anything else and then he next. What? [31:35] Speaker E (unidentified): That's next February. Right? That's next February. Tomorrow, I think. Tomorrow? No, it's... What? Tomorrow is not the first. It's the first of February. Oh. The next one. The next Tuesday. The next Tuesday. [31:52] Speaker C (unidentified): Which is better because it couldn't be on the agenda for tomorrow, isn't it? So... All right. [31:56] Speaker A (unidentified): It could be on the agenda. It's not the first. That's what we're discussing. Didn't you sign it? Yeah. [32:02] Speaker B (unidentified): I'll sign it. Okay. There were a lot of emotions then. [32:06] Speaker E (unidentified): All right. Well, we don't have the event to vote. [32:09] Speaker C (unidentified): October 6th. [32:12] Speaker B (unidentified): When it goes into town. [32:15] Speaker A (unidentified): We will get that wording to him in order to see what the problem is. Yeah. So we can forward it to them soon. There was a slight thing. It wasn't on tonight's planning board chapter either. So that cures that. [32:35] Speaker C (unidentified): I think we're going to have a pretty full docket from the brain. [32:39] Speaker B (unidentified): Well, yeah, that too, and I make promotion my favorite motion. Yes, I make my motion that at 607 Pm. We return. That's a record. [32:57] Speaker A (unidentified): They don't give us a lot of tasks because it doesn't mean necessarily enough, but you probably know if we get them out, we get them out there. [33:07] Speaker C (unidentified): We got a whole other variety of things to work on. [33:11] Speaker B (unidentified): Oh man, this was, this was clean up day today. I hit a hat trick. [33:19] Speaker C (unidentified): Yeah, and I would definitely encourage y'all to be the old