Brunswick committee advances pier, Pegasus Street building, Bowdoin housing projects

[0:07] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: Hi everybody, good morning, and welcome to the September 23rd meeting of the Brunswick Staff Review Committee. We have three or four items on the agenda today, but before we get to those, I'll go around online and in the room and introduce everybody. Online we have Jen. I'm [0:34] Jen Nicholson, Brunswick Senior District: Jen Nicholson from the Brunswick Senior District. [0:37] Ryan Layton, Public Works Director: Ryan. Ryan Layton, Public Works Director. Josh. [0:43] Josh Yen, Deputy Fire Chief: Josh Yen, Deputy Fire Chief. And Todd. [0:47] Todd Ridland, Brunswick Police Department: Good morning, Todd Ridland, Brunswick Police Department. [0:51] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: And in the room, we have Chrissy. [0:54] Chrissy Edmonds, Economic and Community Development Project Manager: Chrissy Edmonds, Economic and Community Development Project Manager. [0:57] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: I'm Matt James, the Town Land Use Planner. [0:59] Taylor Lund, Code Enforcement Officer and Zoning Administrator: I'm Taylor Lund, the Code Enforcement Officer and Zoning Administrator. [1:03] Todd Ridland, Brunswick Police Department: ashley charleston environmental planner jim flood engineer with the brunswick and topsum water district all [1:09] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: right first up we have case number 2624 the elaine and ken crowe peer replacement the staff review committee will review and make a recommendation to the planning board on a major development review sketch and final plan application submitted by springtime marine and wiley seas and suns landscaping on behalf of the property owners elaine and ken crowe for shoreline stabilization and the replacement of a residential pier and dock the subject property is located at 73 minnow shore road map mp5 Law 12, and within the Rural Protection One zoning district and the Shoreline Protection Overlay, from Shoreline Protection Overlay, Stream Protection, Shoreline Protection Overlay, Resource Protection, Flood Protection Overlay, and Rural Protection Storm Water Management Overlays have districts. Looks like we have our applicants here today. Do you guys have any presentation or would like to say anything about the status of the project? Okay, well, we can go around and provide some comments on everything. Obviously, this project had previously come to us as just the pier and dock, but has now included some shoreline stabilization from another development company, so it will now be proceeding as a combined sketch final plan, and we will vote at the end to move that forward as such. So we can start online with comments with Jen. Ryan, no questions. Josh, all set, no questions. And Todd, no [3:02] Steve McPhail, Architect (Valley Brenzinger Architects): questions, thank you. No questions. [3:05] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: Or comments. I have a couple comments from myself and from Julie. I'll first start with just two quick status updates I was looking for, and if any of you answer any questions, would you mind coming to the podium and introducing yourselves? I just wondered what the status of the NURPA permit and the PBR are. I know those were submitted at the end of last month. Have those been approved yet since the last time I talked to you guys? My [3:53] Ryan Layton, Public Works Director: name is Ryan Russell with Willie C and Sons. We filed a permit by rule for the shoreline stabilization coastal riprap that was accepted on the third I believe. Okay, so that documentation has been provided. Okay, and on another note, filed the ahead of this meeting and the planning board did submit the SPO application, so that's ready to go when this is wrapped up. Okay. [4:29] John Seminar, Director of Capital Projects for Bowdoin College: I'm Bradley Gorilla with Springtide Marine, and we have responded to some follow-up questions from the DEP for our NERPA permit about a month ago and have not received any [4:39] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: word back or updated status of that permit. Okay, you're not a not a huge deal for moving forward. I was just if we had them that's great, otherwise we could probably condition that. I did see that you submitted your applications for them, so that was all looking good to me. And then I also have a couple comments from Julie, the director of planning and development. She is hoping to get a revised financial capacity letter from the owners. Do we have that? Okay, perfect, yeah, if we can get that would be awesome. Looks like there's a little discrepancy with the most recent update with the combined fine combining of the projects. Yeah, I think so. And then on the zoomed in landscaping plan of the area around the dock, which I think is the first sheet of the plan that you provided, it would be good to see the hat line on that as well. It's currently on the larger overview map of the whole property, but we'd like to see it on the landscaping plan as well, just so we know where that's going to go. You know on the yep, go for it. I [6:07] Ryan Layton, Public Works Director: believe that line appears on the shoreline stabilization and planting plan that was submitted for the pbr i don't know if that it may not be on that landscape plan but it's on a plan that shows that work right at the shoreline okay so we can double check and just make sure that 's on [6:24] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: there. If not, we can add it where. Yeah, that would be perfect. I think for clarity it would be good to have it on both. So and the permit by role plan trumps that landscape plan. [6:39] Ryan Layton, Public Works Director: So to speak, so I can provide an explanation, and if we can eliminate that plan from the packet, it was produced and then we submitted the PBR, so the PBR came after. So we'll just [6:47] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: Clarify that and get back to you. Okay, yep, that'd be perfect, thank you. And I also received some comments today from Dennis Wilson. Although he didn't have any concerns, he said that the landscape plan looks good and he was happy that you were able to keep and protect some of the existing trees. So I think he's satisfied with that, and that's all I have. I'm all set. I [7:19] Ashley Charleston, Environmental Planner: just had a couple of minor things i noticed that you didn't include outreach letters to the main natural areas program ifw or use fish and wildlife that's just something we ask that's pretty standard so if you could update that for next time that'd be great as far as a map of natural features i see that you included the zoning overlays if you could just include something more akin to what we would see on the beginning with habitat mapping system we just would like to see that where the proposed Plans lie in terms of their proximity to natural resources, and our, the overlays that we have don't exactly delineate that. I don't know if this is a super huge deal, but I noticed in the PBR application the applicant lists municipality instead of individual. Again, I think that's just a typo, but just want to point that out. And I, all the rest of my questions are covered by what Matt [8:26] Todd Ridland, Brunswick Police Department: Already addressed, so I am all set. No questions or comments. All [8:35] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: right so I think from here we can just get a couple small updates from you guys and then we can schedule you for final approval with the planning board once you have that you'll be able to obtain your shoreland permit overlay permits from the co-enforcement officer and then you guys should be good to go yeah if you have any questions for us please [9:07] Ryan Layton, Public Works Director: i'm speaking with bradley and alexis they had learned of a flood hazard permit that was required is that something that's required independent is that joint between the two of us or something specific to their peer component do we need to address that from the shoreline stabilization how do we address that so it'll [9:29] Taylor Lund, Code Enforcement Officer and Zoning Administrator: be applied for specifically for the pier okay not necessarily for the shoreline stabilization portion so you don't have to include that on the application it's the same process as the shore land protection and rural protection stormwater permits all [9:43] Dale Matheny, Public Commenter (abutter): Online. Very good. [10:00] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: Do we have anybody in the audience or online that has any comments or questions about this project? Seeing nobody online or in the audience, and that will conclude it for this project. Thank you guys for coming. Do we have to make a vote? We do have to make a vote. Thank you, Taylor. Okay, so yes, we will, we will be, I'll make a motion to advance this project as a combined sketch and final plan application to the planning board. We'll take a roll call vote starting with Jen. Yay. Ryan? Yes. Josh? Yes. Todd? Yes. Chrissy? Yes. For me, yes. All right, thank you everybody. Yeah, so we'll be moving that on. Yeah, do you have a question? Potentially there's the next planning board would be on the 13th, so I think that's probably sufficient time for us to get your updates and submit everything to the board. Those packets are, those material, all the materials and updates will be due about on the 6th of October at the absolute latest, but if you guys could work on some stuff next week, that would be preferable. All right. Thank you. Next we have case 2650, 11 Pegasus Street multi-tenant building. The staff review committee will review and make a recommendation to the planning board on a major development review sketch plan application submitted by Curtis Neufeld and Priority Real Estate Group on a path of the property owner Anchor Property Holdings LLC for a single-story 15,000 square foot building with two tenants. The subject property is located at 11 Pegasus Street, Map 40, Lot 32, and within the growth mixed U7 or GM7 zoning district. Good morning, I am Kurt Neufeld. As suggested, I don't [12:19] Jen Nicholson, Brunswick Senior District: know if the plans are available to project. Yeah, I'll put those up. Thank you. Okay, thanks. So this is at the corner of Pegasus and Katahdin, when it comes up there, kind of across the street from Flight Deck, which is probably the funnest business out there. One sec, sorry about that. No worries, there [Matt James: we go, so] that's the existing conditions. So Flight Deck parking lot is over here. This is the end of the airport property where they are breaking down some jets and Stark Enterprises Industries just to the north of us. We sit at the corner. This is Katahdin Avenue goes up past Blue Dog and Pegasus comes out to Admiral Fitch. Across the street would be Seahawk Avenue. The site's essentially vacant right now. There's a little garage type structure that's left over from, I guess, the Navy days. The property line Goes right down the middle of the existing paved area, concrete area there. Used to be sort of a check-in shack or a guard shack when this was used by the navy to go back to the fuel farm that was back there. What is proposed is a 15,000 square foot building. Would have two tenants potentially. Each one would have some overhead doors. This is designed for contractor type spaces, so one side would have a recessed loading dock and the other side are the ones being at grade. This one only have an act Grade location. We would extend sidewalk back to the Pegasus, I'm sorry, the Stark building, just come out right down the property line and we extend sidewalk across the front to here. Beyond that, we were not connecting it because we're not sure what's going to happen with sidewalks on Katahdin and Mira. And right now, we held this sidewalk back from the street line because there's no storm drainage at all currently in this street. So in order to allow storm water to get off, we're proposing a shallow swale to allow water to get off the sidewalk or the street and infiltrate. There were utilities put in Katahdin that would provide some of our uses from this side. We'll take our power from overhead. head the water line did come around and went down pegasus so we would take our water line off of that and there's also natural gas in the area this will be our stormwater detention area and i'm proposing instead of your basic bowl basin to put a low retaining wall on the back to reclaim some sloped area that we could put paper patio type areas out there to have some outdoor space next so again the utility plan electric coming in here gas coming off of the front line here and water would be Coming back off of Katahdin. Nothing too exciting. Next, please. So we'll have storm drainage coming back around the building to pick up this back parking lot, would wrap around, pick up some of the front parking lots. The depressed loading dock would come out here, and I'll get into a single base, and that'll tie into existing storm drainage that was put in about a year ago, and that comes out with the rest, hits a structure here, and goes out and eventually finds its way to the Androscoggin River. Next. One more, please. Okay, a couple more. I'm getting to the landscape plan. There we go. That's kind of hard to see, but we're going to have some street trees along here with some intermittent beds in between. This is very much like what's in front of the Stark, I'm sorry, the Vivid Cloud building on Admiral Fitch. We'd anchor this in front of here with some maybe PG hydrangeas, grasses, and lower building foundation plantings, and I'll go over this more with Dennis since he's not here today. Let's talk about any recommendations he may have. Is that the full package? There is that just [18:06] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: the plans, but I can bring up the packet as well if you'd like me to. Well, [18:14] Jen Nicholson, Brunswick Senior District: I just had a couple images of the buildings that I thought I would share with the group to see if there was any comments on those, maybe towards the back. So this is with the help of AI, of course, but it's a, the idea of the building to break up the massing with some color changes, maybe some material changes here at the front. You can see the loading dock off the side, have windows down the side for the office spaces, probably some signage up front, and do I have another one after that? No, so that's where we're headed. I'd like to ask, get questions and comments if that's, you have any. [19:22] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: We can start online with Jen. I'm all set, no questions or comments. Brian, I'm all set [19:31] Ryan Layton, Public Works Director: as well. Thanks, Josh. The [19:37] Josh Yen, Deputy Fire Chief: concern with having a building like this that's built without tenants already in mind is that based on what the final occupancy is, the code requirements and everything may change. So again, like written into this somewhere should be that any, before any occupancy or tenant use, it's going to need a change of use permit from the town, so that way we just make sure we go out there and do a final inspection before the tenants move into it. If [20:13] Jen Nicholson, Brunswick Senior District: we designed the building, I don't know, for the most fire intensive requirements, we could do that, I and try to cover our bases that way, but we probably, we won't commit to the building until we have a tenant, so that should be okay. All right, I was going to say, I mean, because you're not going [20:31] Josh Yen, Deputy Fire Chief: to build it and most restrictive would be building it for like a nightclub assembly, which would require sprinkler systems and everything like that. So it's like not realistic to say you need to build it to the most restrictive fire codes, but at the same time, like if you build it and you, like a business moves in and they want to have business space on one side and employee daycare on the other, that could dramatically change what fire codes are required for construction. [20:59] Jen Nicholson, Brunswick Senior District: Fair enough, good point. All [21:07] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: right, thank you, Todd. At [21:12] Todd Ridland, Brunswick Police Department: this time, thank you, Chrissy. [21:16] Chrissy Edmonds, Economic and Community Development Project Manager: Appreciate you guys thinking about the aesthetics of the building, and I just wanted to encourage you to think about, you know, think about more. You mentioned the sign for the street facing side, and I think that's a good idea to sort of break up that upper side of the building. Anything more you can do, I think the community would appreciate. You're not required to follow the Cook's Corner design standards, but we always encourage people, especially on the landing, to look at them because they can offer some good guidance on how to sort of add that visual interest, so I just want to encourage that and appreciate what you've done already. Okay. [21:59] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: I have a couple comments from myself and some staff that isn't able to be here today. I know we've been talking about the Schooner Drive right-of-way that's going on there, on a lot of the like the tax map and on some other older plans, and I just want to clarify that isn't going to interfere with anything that you're proposing here. You have the ability to develop the interior of that site where that kind of paved curved driveway is right now, right? Yes, a little [22:41] Jen Nicholson, Brunswick Senior District: I just recently learned myself that some of those streets that are out there, including Line Drive and Schooner Drive, were actually named by Mira when the base was being handed over. Some of them like, you know, Admiral Fitch obviously was a very much a away, a right away. Line Drive has been, I've seen described both ways, and he's been on the parcel. Schooner Drive was not delineated at any point that we have found, except for maybe behind the two existing buildings that are a lot 14. That used to come out to Schooner, but that was amended and removed from the right-of-way back when they sold the buildings or the land, Lot 15, to Bill Moore and Bill Hancock. So I've got that documentation. The remaining pavement on Lot 15 is just leftover pavement, but yeah, we'll definitely get that all documented, and I'm going to get a an affidavit or something from Marty McMahon before he retires, because he seems to be the last guy that remembers that. Okay. [24:06] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: And then from Dennis, he had a couple comments that he sent over to me. He'd like to see some landscaping along the foundation of the building that faces on Pegasus Street, and if possible along the sides of the building where the parking lots are, maybe some small ornamental plants along there. He's hoping that the filtration basin could be landscaped as a rain garden. He also said that the street tree plan looks good, but he'd like to see one more street tree to the southwest corner of the property. Just right of the entrance from Pegasus. And because there's over 30 parking spaces being created, he also said that landscape beds need to be located at the end of each parking row. From Julie, she is hoping to see that sidewalks could extend down Pegasus and along Katahdin. Per the ordinance, we're looking to provide connectivity from this location all the way to the proposed multimodal path on Allagash, so it would be important to have some sidewalk connections developed here. She also asks if three curb cuts are needed for this project, or if that could be reduced or modified to reduce the number of curb cuts going in. As it stands right now, you know, we'll probably want to see a lot of landscaping around those entrances to kind of buffer the look of them without out obviously creating any blind spots or anything. Yeah, and we'll also be looking for a performance guarantee for the stormwater, and we will also need a third-party inspector to monitor the stormwater erosion and sediment condition, excuse me, erosion and sedimentation controls and the media management plan, and we will likely hire somebody to do that, and the cost will be borne by the applicant. For that being said, I think we'll probably also need to see how soil storage will be managed and location of soil storage, either on-site or on another location if possible, just something to consider for final plan. And I think that's everything I have. [26:56] Taylor Lund, Code Enforcement Officer and Zoning Administrator: Just a reminder that you'll have to submit a Brunswick Landing construction permission request to the Navy, and that'll need to be approved before building permits are issued. And the only other thing I had was I'd like to see kind of a clearer framework for the uses and the parking for final plan. The application describes contractor space, industrial warehouse storage, but the plan shows industry office, and the plan indicates one space per 400 square feet for office, which would be 38 spaces, and the plan says 66. So we could just kind of get a corrected parking table and a clearer explanation of the anticipated use mix, that would be awesome. That's all I have. [27:48] Ashley Charleston, Environmental Planner: Matt covered my questions about the erosion and sedimentation control, similar to the prior project. If you could please include any outreach letters to state wildlife and vegetation management agencies, as well as a map of natural features of the area. Again, the zoning overlays don't quite cover what we're hoping to understand, may or may not be in the area, even if it's just protocol standpoint. And that's all I have, no other questions, Matt. [28:23] Todd Ridland, Brunswick Police Department: Do you mind pulling up the utility plan? Very minor comment, the utilities, the water coming off of Katahdin, because we agree that's the best plan. Just the, valve that's off of Pegasus is shown own connected to that new eight inch main, but I believe that's not connected to the eight inch main, it's probably something that's abandoned by Mira. So just deleting that line from the valve to the eight inch main would just reflect what's out there. That's all. Yeah, we had discussed [28:54] Jen Nicholson, Brunswick Senior District: that. Yeah, but it was after these plans went in and I just haven't picked it up yet. No worries, we're at preliminary, perfect. Yeah, thanks Kurt. So just a couple of responses, the, if we can utilize the building the way we're looking at, we would need the three curb cuts. I did go over the spacing of everything with Trey a while back and make sure we had proper spacing from the intersections. If the building wound up with one tenant, you know, that might change the soil storage, not anticipated. The site will probably be a net fill to make it work based on the grading that we've done so far. And I just heard back a couple days ago from the DEP and submitted for the pre-application meeting and they made the determination that this is going to be a common scheme with Stark and some of the other things we submitted on, so they're gonna kick it into site law review, which will cover some of the additional letters that Ashley was looking for in terms of natural areas and the like. But we're gonna, I don't think it's gonna change anything other than the timing with the DEP of course. So we're going to be looking into that and once we work through that we'll get you a copy of the application that does go into the DEP and we have some other ideas for landscaping which I think are going to really dress it up, but I won't go through it here. Okay, so [30:36] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: We'll be moving this forward as a sketch plan to the planning board. Obviously, you're free to make any adjustments between then and now if you'd like to, based on our comments. And then if you'd like to do that, just note what you're changing and we can get to add to the board. Otherwise, we could just move this forward as is to the planning board, but up to you guys. Let me know. Okay, are you looking at the 13th? Yeah, likely the 13th. I think as of right now, we don't really have a lot of, I think we only have one confirmed item for that day, so it will be first come first serve in the next few weeks as that fills up. Okay, yeah, I don't know if any of the public is here for this one. Yeah, do we have anybody online or in the audience that has any questions or comments about this project? No, I don't see anybody online either. Any, anybody else? No. All right, I think that will do it for this one. Thank you. All right, next up we have case number 2652, Bowdoin College Reed Housing minor development review. The staff review committee will review and act upon a minor development review application submitted by Sabego Technics on behalf of the property owner, Bowdoin College, for interior renovations, the addition of one bed, and improvements to the utilities, stormwater, pedestrian access and circulation, and parking. The subject property is located at 7 Booty Street, Map U17, Law 95, and within the Growth Residential 9 zoning district. Before we get to our presentation, I would like to go through briefly the findings of fact. So this is a minor development review, so we will be voting on this project for approval today. So I'd like a motion that the staff review committee concurs with planning staff's conclusion that the basic minor development or review application materials have been submitted and that the application is complete, such that the committee may proceed with substantive review of the application, identification of any further and identification of any further information required from the applicant. Motion on that? I will make the motion and second, and we'll do a roll call vote starting with Jen. Yeah, Ryan? Yes, Josh? Yes, Todd? Chrissy? Yes,. All right, you guys can take it away. Thank [33:49] John Seminar, Director of Capital Projects for Bowdoin College: You all right, good morning, John Seminar, Director of Capital Projects for Bowdoin College. So our project, I have also with me Tanner Goodine, Sebago Technics, representing the civil engineering and landscape for the project. And I also have Steve McPhail, who is the architect, if there are questions from that. And then we do have several Bowdoin staff members here as well. So the project is a 1930s brick fraternity, former fraternity building. The college took it over in the 90s when the college basically banished the fraternities from campus. That time the building received kind of a limited renovation and has been just maintained since, so it is in need of significant updates and renewal of the building. It is those kind of efforts that kind of trip us back into needing to have a site plan review for this project. Some of the work we're doing the building are energy control measures, windows, insulation, modernizing all the mechanical, electrical systems, updating accessibility in the building, which are the things that trigger more thorough code review and a more thorough code update to the building. As a result of that kind of code update, we are adding a stair to the east side of the building. There was a disconnected stair on that side of the building that wouldn't meet or modern code requirements, which also triggers us into updating our accessibility routes into the building and reviewing all of those as part of the project. And then as a result of the stair, then we end up making some site adjustments to parking and circulation on the property along the way. So that's kind of where we're here. Tanner can kind of review the site plan of what's been adjusted for existing conditions at the site and how he's adding any treatment that those adjustments require. Hello, Tanner Goodine from Subago Technics. I'll just walk you through quickly what we're proposing to do on the site. So as the applicant noted, the building is requiring some modernization and some upgrades, so the site intends to complement that. As the applicant noted, we are adjusting the parking one to increase circulation as well to move spaces around just to increase the accessibility of those. We are proposing POSING ONE ADA SPACE AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE EXISTING PARKING LOT AS WELL AS RESTRIPING AN EXISTING SPACE TO BE TURNAROUND SPACE FOR MANEUVERABILITY. The parking on site is proposed to be resurfaced to fix pavement deficiencies and cracks. We are also adding two ADA ramps. One is a replacement of an existing ADA ramp as John noted. The staircase to the east side of the building is causing that ramp to be relocated, so now we are running a switchback ramp from the parking lot, which is the primary accessibility route from the parking lot to the north, and then it switches back to the south to enter what is the building addition. There is also an ADA ramp on the west side of the building that is proposed to connect to kind of the internal gathering space. As part of this project, we are proposing PROPOSED TO REPLACE THE EXISTING PATIO THAT IS NOT ACCESSIBLE. We are providing an accessible route from the parking to that patio as well as to the ramp. For storm water treatment, we are proposing a drip edge in front of the building for storm water attenuation for the roof runoff. We are also proposing a connection for the roof drain gutters on the south side of the building. Side of the building that will connect to the permeable paver section that is proposed for the patio. The patio and that south side of the building will connect to a proposed meadow basin, which is similar to the BMP that was constructed at the Brunswick Mark project. Again, those connect to that meadow basin, and the existing parking lot will surface drain to that meadow basin. There's also a granite curb proposed on the east side of the parking lot that will direct all the discharge from that Parking lot to that metal basin, and this is proposed to meet both main DEP redevelopment standards in the town of Brunswick's treatment standards for redevelopment. With that, I'm happy to pass it back over to staff and happy to answer any questions you may have. Thank [38:23] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: You. Hey, thanks guys. We can start online with Jen Brian. I don't have anything in [38:39] Ryan Layton, Public Works Director: Particular, just want to make sure that the town engineer has a chance to review the stormwater [38:45] Jen Nicholson, Brunswick Senior District: Flow into the town system. I [38:54] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: Will check to see if I've received anything from Trey. I don't think I've, I don't think I've heard from Trey specifically on anything for this project. He didn't provide any notes to me. We could potentially add a condition that Trey reviews the or discusses this with us prior to receiving a building permit, if that would be applicable or acceptable to you, Ryan. Well, I just know he's not here. [39:47] Ryan Layton, Public Works Director: Today and typically he does review that stuff, so I just wanted to make sure that he was all set with the flow rates that would be contributed to the system. Okay, yeah, I'll, I think maybe [39:57] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: adding a condition for that might be best, but I think we'll talk about that a little bit later, so we can move on to Josh. No questions or comments. Okay, Todd, no [40:14] Chrissy Edmonds, Economic and Community Development Project Manager: questions or comments. Month. No questions or comments. [40:23] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: I received a little bit of public comment regarding the request for a 10-foot fence, and my understanding is that fence is just going to be around that mechanical area and not the whole back property boundary. Is that correct? Correct. Okay, and I did notice in one section that said that a nine foot fence was recommended, and then you're asking for a 10 foot. Is it going to be built as a nine foot fence most likely, or [41:03] John Seminar, Director of Capital Projects for Bowdoin College: I think it's speaking of the enclosure for the mechanical equipment, and that is why we're asking for the taller fence. We had the acoustic engineer review the mechanical noise of that, and we want to make sure we're conservative, so we are proposing a 10-foot fence around that mechanical equipment. Okay, [41:18] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: to ensure we don't have a noise impact, and otherwise I don't have any comments from Julie, and the only comment I have from Dennis was that he thought the landscaping plan looks good and seems like you're adding trees to the plan, so he likes to see that as well, and I think that's everything I have. Can [41:45] Taylor Lund, Code Enforcement Officer and Zoning Administrator: you confirm the impervious surface coverage? The narrative says 29.2 and the plan says 34.2. Do we know which is accurate, because one is very close to the maximum and one's a little further from that? Oh, are you talking about the [42:01] John Seminar, Director of Capital Projects for Bowdoin College: coverage? Yeah, it's 34.2. Okay, awesome, if [42:05] Taylor Lund, Code Enforcement Officer and Zoning Administrator: we could get that updated in the narrative, that'd be awesome, and so you're asking for the 10 foot fence, the plan says nine, so we'll want to get that updated to reflect the ten. I will need before I can provide, we'll have to condition because before I can provide my approval, I'll essentially need a written request from you folks that kind of states why you're asking for the 10 foot, especially versus the nine that the acoustic engineer year stated would be sufficient, and then I can get that Approval and or further questions to you is the plan for the open top solid fence that they suggested. Is that the design that you guys are going to go with? Okay yeah, so any details about the design too should be included in that exception request. And the only other thing I had was it might be a little cleaner for them to request a waiver for the parking setback versus using the non-conforming structure section, just because the ordinance specifically addresses the parking area setbacks separately in 4.9.3 and they seem more relevant. So maybe we can just add that to the record while we're proceeding that if they would like to state the request for the waiver for the for the parking setbacks since they're I mean they're reducing they're increasing the distance they're reducing the non-conformity so I don't have an issue with it. I just think it [43:39] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: might be better to have it listed that way. I'm wondering if requesting a waiver from the standards would elevate it to a planning board decision. I'm not sure if we have the ability to do that. So it says review authority okay which would be us okay, but that's up to you. I [44:03] Taylor Lund, Code Enforcement Officer and Zoning Administrator: mean normally when I've done these a few of these with village review board and normally as we're processing you would just essentially go up to the podium and say like we're requesting a waiver for you know however many feet versus what it's supposed to be. The side setback I think is 15, in the rear I believe would be 20. So [44:25] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: not to put you on the spot it doesn't have to be perfect. Yeah because we are reducing the [44:31] John Seminar, Director of Capital Projects for Bowdoin College: non-conformity if the staff feels like they would be more comfortable approving it as a as a waiver [44:36] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: we would we would take no objection to that. Okay we could we could do that then I think yeah I'll probably need a moment when we get to the end here to write up write up a couple of these. So in the meantime we can move on to Ashley's comments. I don't think I'm buying you [44:58] Todd Ridland, Brunswick Police Department: any time. I have none. All right thank you. I have two very extensive comments I need to make. So no they're minor. The first is what you're showing for water looks good to us. Just want to mention that with you rerouting the private side domestic service we'll just need to inspect that to ensure there's no leaks at that connection you're making. So just keep us in the loop on that. And then the second comment was on the district portion side coming off the main before the curb we may want to do some work of ourselves there so once this gets going and you guys have a contractor lined up they typically reach out to us but just wanted to give you a heads up we may have them do some work at the same time on our side to make things a little cleaner for your service line so just want to give you a heads up about that 's all i had sorry matt that's all right all [45:57] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: right so i think at this point i will move on to a new motion which would be for the staff review committee to accept a waiver for the parking area and Taylor did you know off the top of your head which section of the ordinance that is it's four [46:36] Taylor Lund, Code Enforcement Officer and Zoning Administrator: point nine point three I'm trying to find so it says four point three point four point nine point 3d parking requirement reductions the review authority may allow additional reductions of the minimum oh no that's for parking requirements that's the number that's minimum number specific standards minimum number trying to find the setbacks i would quote 4.9.3 itself self and for the actual when we write it down in black and white i think we can get the exact [47:16] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: reference but 4.9.3 sufficient okay yes with the let's see so it's a waiver for parking setbacks specifically okay so i would like a motion that the following waivers are proved one that the sorry it was the minimum parking setback requirements that the minimum parking setback requirements of section four point nine point three be waived a motion for that I'll move that second and we'll do a roll call vote starting with jen yeah ryan yes josh yes todd yes chrissy yes for me yes all right is it okay we'll make sure that's reflected in the record correctly when it's when the final approved findings go out okay and then before i move on to a final motion for approval i can open it up to the public or anybody online if you'd like to make any comments simply say something if you might come into the podium thank you i'm [49:19] Public Commenter (10 Booty Street resident): going to talk to this project i'll be back to talk about it i just want to urge you to use your mics so many of you are looking you turn away you can't be heard this is this is a really important project for the neighbors and i urge you to speak clearly into your mics thank you thank [49:52] Dale Matheny, Public Commenter (abutter): you My name is Dale Matheny, I'm one of the butters on the east side here with my wife. And we just had some questions about the project, if we could. And actually, the diagram you had up, if it's handy, would be kind of handy just so we could point to things. But I had a question about, there's another electrical utility pad had that you mentioned on the Booty Johnson property I believe. We wanted to know the exact location of that, so for instance if it's right on Booty Street with white people right opposite of our property right, you know, be very visible. So we're wondering if that set back into the woods area there or into the Booty Johnson area or not, or where that exactly is going be, and so it could be visible basically from our property one Booty. And if there's gonna be noise from the generator there, I think there was a generator as well, whether that had been, I it looked like there was another fence or something around that, but I assume that was looked at in terms of what the impact to our property would be, and if there's be trees removed then would that be visible to us. So we're just kind of concerned about that's a whole nother utility generator and so on close to our property. The other thing was around the basin we're wondering. How deep that was, I think it was like a I saw online maybe a foot and a half, is that ring a bell or any answers or anything on that on these things. Do you want us to answer these? Oh yeah, is that how you want to do it? [51:45] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: Okay, I guess as of do you guys usually you can make your comment you have three minutes to do so, and then they can respond to any of the okay questions. Okay great, then I'll. [51:56] Dale Matheny, Public Commenter (abutter): Move on to the drainage, so there should be quite a bit of water you put into this, about half of this building's water comes down into this, and this is 15 feet from our property, and that we're concerned that you know seepage overflow whatever might happen here, you know, that not all the water would go down the sewer, the storm water drain, so given the 15 feet, you know, is there an impact here in terms of an increase of flow or water potential into our property. That's like I said it's a fairly large. Basin for residential areas, so and if there was going to be a fence around that or not, we know in some of the other ones on Boden property there was fences put around that, we really would not like a metal fence put around that, I mean that would look poor for the residential area, and I think that's all I had. [53:06] John Seminar, Director of Capital Projects for Bowdoin College: I'll take them right in order. So there is a generator slash transformer, well, generator and a transformer proposed on the Booty Johnson parcel. It is set back outside of the setbacks, well outside of the setbacks for that property, and they will contain the same sound attenuation enclosure that's proposed on this parcel. It does not propose, there's an existing tree line along that property line on Booty Johnson. It does not propose, it proposes a little bit of clearing to get the line from the generator to the building, but it's far, it's, it's to the left. It's more in line with this parcel line than it is from directly cutting the in front of the abutters parcel, so that would be screened by existing trees and a sound enclosure, sound and screening enclosure similar to the one that's being proposed here. The meadow basin, you are correct, it's about a, about a foot and a half deep. It goes from about elevation 76 there to around 70, 75, so it's more like a foot. And in regards to the drainage there, that will capture like you noted all of the drainage on the south side as well as the parking lot, so there is, there is less, it is capturing existing drainage that drains to that, to that parcel on redirecting it to the, to the street, so there is a decrease proposed to what would be going to your abutting property. That answer, and there is no fence proposed around that, so there would be, there would be no fencing. Sorry, that was the last one. Yep, was [54:50] Dale Matheny, Public Commenter (abutter): there going to be any standing water in that basin, like after storms, or any potential for mosquitoes and that kind of thing? [54:58] John Seminar, Director of Capital Projects for Bowdoin College: There will not be any standing water. There will drain completely dry. It will be, it will look more like a planted landscape bed than a wetland. It will be more like a planted landscape bed that's a little bit recessed. Thank you. Hi, [55:26] Laura Matheny, Public Commenter (abutter): I'm Laura Matheny. I own the property with my husband at One Booty Street on the east side of the property. I have a lot of questions, so first of all, when do you expect the project will be completed in the students we've been moving in? Second of all, I noticed that you had a proposed polymer-based siding for the new addition in keeping of the existing building and to better honor the period of the building, I'm wondering if that could be upgraded to brick instead of a polymer siding. It would just Make that section of Booty Street has a lot of houses that are ours is 1897 across the other side of the property is 1914 Catherine years is 1930 so it's it's it's got some character and some antique and historical feeling to it and we'd like to keep that in our neighborhood. I was wondering what color the proposed polymer siding would be although I'm not sure I want it I'd rather have the brick. There's a dumpster located in the parking area right now is that going to be removed relocated what's going on with that the question is also about the compost bin which is now in the middle of your new parking addition so where is that going to be relocated we're hoping it's not going to be in the front yard since the driveway will be can move considerably closer to our park to our property and the parking lot will be having parallel parking spaces along the driveway. I'm asking a favor will you add existing five sections of stockade fencing to the fence that's already there that delineates our property so that we don't see the parking lot since there'll be more parking available I'm asking if you could put another five sections or so up to continue to move that fence down so that we will not be seeing the cars there from our house. I was also looking at the plantings that you had at the meadow basin I was wondering out I was wondering that I saw a lot of grasses towards the north side of that meadow basin and I'm wondering if you could substitute ferns are a lot more historically accurate than grasses and the same thing with the arborvitaes I was wondering if you could put something else besides an arborvitae which again is a to me a more big box door landscaping plant versus a beautiful historic looking kind of plant so that's that's the question about that. Let's see if I have anything else I think that's it for now thank you [58:17] John Seminar, Director of Capital Projects for Bowdoin College: I'll start with the construction duration it'll be about a year of construction right now we're looking at spring of 28 a transition actually for the spring semester into this into that building. I'll probably have the architects speak to the architecture but I think you know one point is when we say polymer siding we're not talking vinyl siding cheap vinyl Home Depot big box vinyl piece a couple pieces. I'll speak to is a dumpster we're looking to move this to use Bowdoin staff to do pickup versus is the outside trash hauler, which is what we do in a lot of locations, which means the dumps will be replaced by rolling trash cans that are stored up against the building to the backside, versus having a commercial hauler come in. The commercial haul, it's a pretty tight site for commercial hauler. We might only have a dumpster their spring move out when students are leaving for the year when we have a higher bulk amount of trash, and then we can talk about the fence. We it's not part of the plan now and i don't really want to modify the plan in the room, but we can, we're certainly willing to talk to the neighbors about fencing and those things. And then on the planting of the bed, i'll note the grasses are not what you may be thinking they're going to be, and we do a lot of firm on campus. We find some of these locations get pretty droughty, so while it's a meadow basin meant to receive water, often they do drought out, so they get a bit droughty and they don't necessarily support all plants, so we can make sure the plant selections are based on what will survive in that, in those various conditions, from wet after a storm to a dry droughty basin. And then stephen will speak to the architecture, maybe stephen [1:00:05] Steve McPhail, Architect (Valley Brenzinger Architects): mchale, the valley brenzinger architects. We gave an awful lot of thought to what the materials in the form of that addition should be, and one of the things that we look very closely in that is what cues we could take from the existing building and the neighborhood. So to john's point, it's not a polymer siding, it's a poly ash siding, which is a composite material, kind of similar to hardy planks if you're familiar with that. So it's basically more a more durable clabbered, or we're going for a nickel gap profile on that at the moment, so it will read very much like a lot of the traditional cladding materials you see in the neighborhood. Anyway, for the roofing, we looked at what's on the building as well, again on this it's a, it's a gambrel roof with a faux slate and then a standing seam metal roof on top, and all the dormers have standing seam and some flat seam metal roofing as well. So we're going with a traditional standing seam metal roof for the addition and component to, we're also carrying across the granite base that's visible on the north elevation, the front elevation of the building. We're wrapping that around the side as well to tie it in that way. But one of the things we look at when adapting historic buildings is we're not trying to replicate exactly what that building is. There's a document like the Secretary of the Interior Standards, which is something that you look at in historic preservation, which recommends that the addition be distinct from the original building. You're not trying to fool anybody, so we looked carefully at both the massing and the materiality of that, such that the massing would be, how could you put it, respectful to the original building. It's not trying to overwhelm it or upstage it in any way. And all of the materials we took, we took cues from the original building. If you look at the existing, you'll notice all the dormers at the top of the original, including the shape dormant to the rear they are white painted wood with coverage siding on those two so it's it's it's those elements that we pulled from the building itself to inform the design that we proposed thank [1:02:18] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: you good [1:02:27] Laura Matheny, Public Commenter (abutter): morning I'm Julia call then I'm in a butter at 11 booty Street I live on the west side of Reed and my property goes directly on the west side as well as a little bit on this on the south side of reed's property i'm to clarify i'm i don't understand exactly i heard about a generator on booty johnson property and then there's a generator on reed property can you clarify what 's going on there because i got i'm confused by that the other thing that i'm wondering about is the 10-foot fence have we am i understanding that there is no 10 foot fence that's going to be on along a property line no 10 foot fence along property line okay good all right excellent thank you because that wasn't clear to me from the looking at the plans all right i'm also wondering about the egress that you have from that from an exist a former window that's now you're turning into a door for an egress from the living room of reed and then some kind of a walkway onto the patio area i'm concerned about noise because friday nights are pretty noisy where i live and especially at one o'clock when the party ends which is the this dinner time the college requires parties to end at one o'clock between 1 and 120 it's really noisy for kids just pouring out of the buildings out of the building you know and not in their best state of mind so i'm wondering if there's any way to get the exit from onto the patio rather than right onto the west side my bedroom is on the east side of my house and it just it's just really And I've been a neighbor for 25 years, and I love living there. The kids are great, but Friday nights are a little bit of a problem. Okay, so I'm wondering if we could, if that could be changed, and if, and maybe some landscaping or something, to trees or something, to block some of that noise from the patio, from that west egress. I'm just wondering about that. Okay, another question I have is the trees that exist, that there's a two rhododendrons, a beautiful birch, a lilac bush, and what's happening with those, are they gonna be relocated onto the property in different places, are they gonna be cut down, can they be moved over on the other side of the egress, or is there some way that we can use those to buffer the properties along that property edge? On the south there's some hemlocks on the south side that I don't think belonged to Bowdoin, but they're being eaten by the woolly delgid, and the rhododendrons might be nice blockage there if they could be picked up and moved instead of just chainsaw down. Okay,, my house looks out onto lake reed, which forms when there's a lot of water, and it often makes a skating pond in the wintertime, but lake reed is something that is, that is very visible, it's inches deep after any kind of a significant rainstorm. Is there going to be water diverted from the roof or from drainage that goes into that area that will increase the size and depth of Lake Reed, or is it going to be eliminated and all that went off go into the storm drain from on booty Street I'm curious about how that's gonna work, because you know right now I just don't know whether it's going to get worse or better, the lake reed phenomenon. Okay, again, I guess I'm wondering also about the current plannings of the hostas on the, on the north side of the building by the front door of the building, and the irises and the lilies, if they're going to be just bulldozed or whether they're going to be transplanted to someplace else on the property or not. That's all I think I've got for now. Thank you so much for answering my questions. So [1:06:48] John Seminar, Director of Capital Projects for Bowdoin College: There are two pieces of, I guess what I'll call, systems equipment in the project adjacent to the house, and actually on the screen here in the enclosure is actually part of the heating and cooling system. So that's, that's part of the air system that is basically like the heat condenser on a heat pump a lot of people would be familiar with now. So that is the 10-foot piece fence around that unit, it near the building. The generator would be across the street over on the Booty Johnson lot, that is because we are to go with the electrical and systems we're going, we need three-phase, and three-phase power doesn't exist on Booty Street. And so we met with the utility to bring three-phase power down the street. They would have been doing a lot of right-of-way clearing, which we did not want to be a catalyst for. So the generator is at our other lot at Booty Johnson house, which will allow CMP to bring three phase from Main Street to that lot, and that's where the generator and transfer switch will be to feed across to this one. The other thing is it does allow us to facilitate three-phase needs at the other colleges house, college houses that are on that block of Main Street without doing an additional CMP service. So we're trying to, it's, it's a bit of a change there, but we're trying to minimize the impacts of the CMP doing it, going out there and doing a lot of tree clearing to make three phase. The egress of walkway, we have modeled that a few different things as some real dimensional challenges to making it out of that space and creating the ADA ramp out of the building, and so that's kind of where we landed at that door is in order to make all the dimensional pieces work. We can certainly look at the landscape and the other things out there, but the location of the door is kind of what drives that, and the elevation change from the floor level in that first floor of that building and the outside line puddling. I can let Tanner speak to it some more, but one of the big thing is the existing gutters and a lot of the drainage off from the roof of the building currently is dumped onto the landscape, and if you're dumping water on the landscape, especially in the winter time and when the grounds really frozen, that's when we collect a lot of water, surface water. We're piping all of those into the drainage system that Sabegos designing and building. So when the water comes off the roof now, it'll go through the gutter system into the underground pipes and through the Stormwater treatment retention and out to the town so It's a general reduction of stormwater. That'll be on the property Tanner can speak to it some more if I'm not completely in line with all of that and then the last piece is kind of removal and landscapes we do remove and reuse landscape where we can we find that some of these shrubs in order to do that you need to almost root prune years ahead in order to not over stress the plants so some of those big bigger roadies and things like that we have not been successful relocating them after a great effort so often we end up not being Reuse those certainly small plants like hostas and things like that you know there's opportunities to replant those and they're so prolific that you can take a couple hostas and end up with a whole yard full of them and little no time so they're great plant for transplant planting and they don't need a ton of cultivation I guess so those are kind of where we're at on those questions I just wanted to add a little bit on the on the drainage in regards to the lake reed piece i'm assuming you're You're discussing that there's ponding water on the west side of that building so there are no stormwater outlets proposed on that side of the building it will all tie into the meadow basin so there should be only minimal surficial runoff it should be less than what goes there currently it should be very minimal only surficial runoff that gets to that area so it should be a drastic reduction to what you see over there okay [1:11:11] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: Sure i [1:11:26] Public Commenter (10 Booty Street resident): Live across the street at 10 Booty Street and i wanted first of all to thank all of you for the great care that's going into the planning the architectural design and the thoughtfulness of response to our questions it's a beautiful neighborhood very tight and the college has a real challenge in trying to do a major renovation, addition, etc., conforming to absolutely contemporary standards in so dense a neighborhood. And I also want to express my gratitude for the care that I'm hearing. My concern is about the period of construction, and I think you're optimistic about the year. I want to also say that there is very limited parking on the street, and I don't know where all the good folk are going to be doing the hard work of construction, where they're going to park. That kind of detail is of concern to the neighborhood. To step aside to another issue, the plumbing on Booty Street is notoriously sensitive. The water issues and flooding at the end of the street is a recurrent factor in our neighborhood. Hood life and I hope there can be some more detail, perhaps. I'm sure you already thought this through, but perhaps we can hear it this morning. Thank you so much. So [1:13:31] John Seminar, Director of Capital Projects for Bowdoin College: We will, you know, need to manage parking. We completely recognize that the logistics of building on this site will be complicated. We have a really qualified contractor that we've worked with quite a bit. We are working on a strategy for parking and such. We will likely need to impact some of the lawns at the building to create the space we need for the logistics to do this project without having a big impact on traffic and parking in the street and such. So it'll be closely managed just as we do all of ours projects and we'll need to probably push our parking, you know, to other sites we have on campus. We're kind of familiar with this challenge. It's no different in a neighborhood is it is sometimes in the core campus to do a project. Quite often we're asking our contractors to park quite remote from the site and only have materials and a certain number of vehicles close. And I can just speak a little bit more about the flooding that was mentioned on Booty Street. So the stormwater system that's proposed we based on DEP standards were required and the town standards were required to show that there's no net increase in peak rates, which means that the peak rates that are flowing to the system are not increased from the pre-development, which would be the existing condition of the site. And how we do that would be to propose the bmps that we are proposing here, like the permeable pavers. So what that means is the water that hits that surface goes underground and gets stored underneath that patio. Additionally with the drip edge in the front, similar thing, where the water hits that drip edge and is stored there for a certain amount of time. And what that does is it slows it down and bleeds it out rather than having all of that water hit the system all at once. So once that permeable paver, the rear permeable pavers and the parking drains to the meadow basin, it has been stored and released over a certain amount of time. So that way the water that is going to the system in the street is not INCREASING WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE. SO YOU SHOULD SEE NO NET CHANGE AND PERHAPS A LITTLE BIT OF A REDUCTION FROM WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE. SO THIS PROJECT IS NOT PROPOSED TO INCREASE OR OTHERWISE ADVERSELY IMPACT THE FLOODING OR THE CONDITION THAT YOU SEE IN THE IN THE EXISTING CONDITION. THANK YOU ALL. [1:15:56] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: RIGHT. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY COMMENTS? I'LL JUST CHECK TO MAKE SURE. YEAH, NOBODY online either. SO i do appreciate all of the thoughtful responses you guys have given to both staff and public comments. AND AGAIN WE DO HAVE THIS PROJECT LINED UP FOR APPROVAL AT TODAY'S MEETING. I GUESS BEFORE I DO THAT I'LL ASK YOU ALL IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS BASED ON THESE COMMENTS OR IF YOU'RE FINE WITH PROCEEDING WITH A CONDITION FOR AN EXTRA REVIEW OF THE STORMWATER BY THE TOWN ENGINEER. I [1:16:43] John Seminar, Director of Capital Projects for Bowdoin College: mean I think I'd prefer to proceed and you know that we're constantly talking with neighbors and trying to work on relationships. SO IF THERE ARE FOLLOW-UPS WE NEED TO DO WE CAN DO IT AS A COLLEGE NEIGHBOR VERSUS HAVING IT BE PART OF THIS SITE PLAN REVIEW. I THINK WE'VE SHOWN THAT WE KIND OF MEET ALL THE STANDARDS THAT THE TOWN HAS. I THINK THE REST OF IT IS OUR JUST NEIGHBOR RELATIONSHIP PROCESS AND IF THERE ARE [1:17:10] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: any changes that are decided on after this meeting you can always come back for a minor modification and get that sorted with staff in the future. SO I'D LIKE A MOTION THAT THE STAFF REVIEW COMMITTEE APPROVES THE MINOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION FOR MODIFICATIONS TO AN EXISTING RESIDENCE ALL ON THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 7 BOOTY STREET MAP YOU 17 LAW 95 AS OUTLINED IN THE APPLICATION WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ONE THAT THE BOARD'S REVIEW OR THE COMMITTEE'S REVIEW AND APPROVAL DOES HEREBY refer to these findings of fact, the plans and materials submitted by the applicant, and the written and oral comments of the applicant, their representatives, reviewing officials, and members of the public as reflected in the public record. ANY CHANGES TO THE APPROVED PLAN NOT CALLED FOR IN THESE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL OR OTHERWISE APPROVED BY DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT AS A MINOR MODIFICATION SHALL REQUIRE REVIEW AND APPROVAL IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE BRUNSWICK ZONING ORDINANCE. TWO THAT Prior to the review of any building permit, the applicants shall be granted approval from the co-enforcement officer for a fence exceeding the maximum allowable height of six feet. And three, that prior to the review of any building permit, IT staff will confirm that the proposed storm water management system is compliant with all standards within chapter four of the Brunswick zoning ordinance. [Taylor Lund: I'll second. And.] We'll take a roll call vote starting with Jen. Yes. Ryan. Yes. Josh. Yes. Todd. Chrissy. Yes. Yes. All right, thank you. Next up is case number 2636, maximum pervious surface for municipal facilities. The staff review committee will review and make a recommendation to the planning board on a zoning text amendment prepared by the town's planning department to amend appendix A of the zoning ordinance, chapter 4, section 4.2.2, to allow the planning board to waive or modify the maximum pervious service coverage. Requirement for municipal facilities. Matt, I'm so sorry folks. [1:20:13] Ashley Charleston, Environmental Planner: If you could take your conversations outside of the council chambers. Where? No. Okay. Hey John on, could you? Sorry, it's just a little distracting. Thank you. Thank. [1:20:28] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: You Ashley. So we can start online with comments from Jen. I have no comments. And Ryan. I'm all set. Josh. All set. Todd. I'm. [1:20:59] Ryan Layton, Public Works Director: Good to go. Chrissy. [1:21:03] Steve McPhail, Architect (Valley Brenzinger Architects): [1:21:07] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: And I don't really have any comments. You know, I'll say for the record that I think that this is a great way of reducing municipal sprawl. We do try to keep our facilities contained to individual sites, and the ability to expand our current facilities is both more cost effective and is better for the employees working at those sites, so that they're not split up. And I do have a column from Julie. She says that a an amendment was previously considered to exempt all municipal facilities from previous. Service requirements, but there had been concern from the Planning Board and counselors and staff that giving the town a straight exemption was not a good idea. So this new draft amendment provides a an ability for the planning board to reduce or waive the impervious service requirements for municipal projects if there's no reasonable alternative. It's the staff's opinion that municipal facilities provide a public benefit and should be afforded flexibility in this regard. I. [1:22:26] Taylor Lund, Code Enforcement Officer and Zoning Administrator: Had a couple questions. One of them already was answered, so the maximum can be waived entirely. I would like to see some language added that the town engineer must determine stormwater impacts can be adequately addressed. It might be cleaner organizationally to put this under section 4.2 point 5, as that contains the additional standards, alternative standards, and exemptions to the dimensional tables. And I guess my third concern is already addressed too, because it kind of, it basically says limited to the minimum necessary to accommodate municipal use of facility, which sort of speaks to if there's no reasonable alternative. So I'm all set. [1:23:12] Ashley Charleston, Environmental Planner: I guess my concern is how this would be affected if the proposed, if the waiver requested occurs in an urban impaired stream or urban impaired [1:23:23] Matt James, Town Land Use Planner: watershed as designated by DEP. My understanding is that while you, this would allow a waiver for the zoning requirement, it doesn't trump any of the other requirements of the ordinance. So it may allow on a lot that isn't in any overlays at all to expand more, but if the lot is constrained by both the normal zoning ordinance as well as environmental overlays, then those environmental overlays would still be in effect. Okay, thank you. That was, that satisfies my concerns. I'm all set. Okay, and the room has cleared out and I don't think I see anybody on line. Any other staff comments online or in the room? All right, I think at this time we can adjourn. Thank you all.