Standish Planning Board advances campground, camp foundation; tables water district and subdivision items

[9:27] Planning Board member: Yeah, welcome [9:32] Chair: to the October 5th meeting of the town of Spanish planning board. The meeting will not come to order. This is a public proceeding, and unless the board specifically votes to go into executive session, you have the right to hear everything that's being said, and to look at all the exhibits. That are offered the board works from a prepared agenda and this evening we have planning board members declaration of core. We have 5 or 7 people here. So we have a quorum on our end. Approval of the previous meeting minutes, which we'll get to in a second. Approval of finding of facts is items of old business. We have no items of old business and we have four items of new business. We have, Portland Law District wants to build a chemical storage distribution building on their site. We have a project for four campground sites at 703 Richfield Road. We have a shoreline camp remodel at 122 Sandy Cove Road of which we had a site walk before we came to this meeting tonight of that site. And we have a 12-lot subdivision, Herb Meadows, LLC, Richville Road, Map 17, Lot 4, and 4G. So those are the new items of business. And we have a public hearing at the end of the evening. The applicant has the burden of proof to prove to the board their application is complete and meets all applicable town standards. Is any person wishing to address the board may do so in accordance with the following procedure. Please utilize the podium or 1 of the microphones provided and state your name and address. The board will open the meeting for the applicant to present their project in the order that I, just read them. The town planner will provide his assessment of the project and hear responses from the applicant. Then board members will ask questions and listen to everyone's response. The hearing will be open to the public for comment. Each one will, and the applicant can respond to those comments. The board may receive any oral or documentary evidence, but such evidence is restricted to the subject matter of the agenda item. The board shall exclude irrelevant, immaterial, or unduly repetitious evidence. Citizens shall refrain from interrupting other speakers. This meeting is being recorded, and it's very difficult to hear what is being said when multiple people speak at the same time. Citizens should avoid personal attacks and conduct themselves in a civil, courteous manner as expected by all participants. All questions should be addressed through the Chairman. Speakers shall not attempt to engage in debate with other meeting participants. Upon hearing from the public, the hearing will be closed for that application, and the Board will deliberate and vote on the application. Following the decision on the application, the Board will prepare written finding of facts and approve them for the records at the next regular meeting. As I mentioned, we have a quorum, five or seven members. The next item is the approval of the meeting minutes. [13:04] Planning Board member: Mr. Vice chair, I make a motion to approve the meeting minutes from September 14th, 2026. 2nd, that any comments from the board is all in favor. [13:24] Chair: You have 2 finding of facts from last month's meeting. We have a,, a finding of fact regarding a changes to the Grondon gravel pit. on the 401 Pequaca Trail and we have from the same individual a blasting application for blasting on said gravel pit. [13:54] Planning Board member: Mr. Vice Chair, since they are both from R.J. Grondin and Sons, I make a motion that we approve the findings of facts for both of them at the same time as presented. I'm not going to make you [14:06] Chair: you read them frank thank you i will second that is all in favor sorry [14:14] Planning Board member: charlie's not here tonight frank would have to read you know everything so it was charlie i'd make him read it 'll [14:23] Chair: be in the minutes so with that said the first project on the agenda is what a district please come up and [14:35] Scott Bickford, chief operator, Sebago Lake water treatment facility (applicant): state what you guys would like to do what are we doing this evening my name is scott bickford i'm the chief operator at the Spago Lake water treatment facility. We're hoping to build a new chemical storage facility on the existing property at the Spago Lake water treatment facility. Plans were put forth on the location and orientation of that building in front of the zoning board last week and we're here today to see if we can further that for the next the next step and tonight with me here is a engineer Tamara Rizza from PWD, Bill Owen from Hazen, and Jacob Cantor from Hazen design teams. [Speaker E (unidentified): Okay please] Go through your project. The project is we have aging chemical storage containers right now, and in order to remove those or replace those because they've met their life expectancy. It would take a disassembly of the building and reassembly, and the cost is just unbelievable, and it's an operational nightmare to try to maintain and still treat water while exchanging chemical tanks and disassembling a building and reassembling. So the solution was, and the Great Bay has decided that the best option would be to build a new storage facility closer to the injection point back by the clear wells, which would be a steel building. It will contain all the new chemical tanks. It has removable panels on the side of the steel building, so in the future, 20 years from now, people that will inherit Portland Water District will have an easier time to be able to change those tanks out when they meet their life expectancy. Each one has its own containment, each chemical that is. There will be no more trucking traffic or different entrants or anything, they'll still be entering through the same entrance they currently do for the plant now, and that's what we're putting forth, a new chemical storage steel building on site, anything [16:42] Chair: else you want to add at this time, I [16:44] Scott Bickford, chief operator, Sebago Lake water treatment facility (applicant): think that's all I want to add, but I'm open to any questions or any concerns anybody like to see, and I see we haven't pulled up on the screen here at the location in the chemical building, Scott, any your comments on, I said this [16:57] Planning Board member: This project is pretty straightforward. There's no real change in the use on the property. It's just an expansion of the footprint. What they're doing it in. They got appeals board approval, special exemption use. And they have had 3rd party engineering review, which had some very minor comments about ballard and confirmed conforming fire department about that. The trucks should be able to get around. I talked to the fire chief today. He's not concerned about the site layout in any way. And I think we're pretty much ready to move forward on this. I don't have any outstanding concerns. What was the reason for the appeals board again? What would have to be approved through them? So this is considered a special exemption use in our ordinance, and therefore it needs appeals board approval. Just as there's nothing specific to this project, really, it's just under our ordinance any public utility use in this zone requires the appeals board to review it first. For an appeals board in general is for more vague impacts to surrounding properties than the Planning Board typically looks at the actual site plant itself, so they would things like odor and traffic and things like that, environmental concerns, board members. [18:21] Speaker G (unidentified): Questions? Oh, copious amount of [18:26] Planning Board member: them. I just, I just a quick thing that I was, when I went through the appeals board information, that there would be less deliveries possible with new [18:43] Scott Bickford, chief operator, Sebago Lake water treatment facility (applicant): new chemicals could be less deliveries because we're upsizing the storage tank capacities. Thank you. Yes, that was all right. So that would be the reasoning behind that. Okay. [18:55] Planning Board member: And was there a question of using propane instead of oil? There is new propane going in. Is that correct? And you can see that on the site plan there, the location of the 4 horizontal tanks next. [19:08] Scott Bickford, chief operator, Sebago Lake water treatment facility (applicant): Kitty corner to the new chemical building. Yeah, right there. Yeah, so [19:17] Planning Board member: there won't be, there won't be fewer deliveries with, not necessarily with, right. There'll be propane delivery. So it would be appropriate to come. Yeah, sure. All right. I'd be interested in taking a look at it. All right. One of the first questions I had was the fact is that when the engineering third-party review, and I noticed it in the plans, there's no bathroom facilities in the chemical storage building. And I was trying to find, and I could not source the fact of like basically floor drains and other, you know, if there was a chemical spill or dealing, she's going to pop up right now. Might as well get ready. Yeah, I can, I can feel the two, but yes, I'd like to speak. She can speak. Yeah, go ahead and continue your question. No, sorry. My 1st question relates to the fact of like. We even reality is that if you have a chemical storage building, that's going to be used and it's not a small building that staffing would have to go back. And again, that's that's a concern or an issue or things. But then the secondary thing is when I was trying to leave the plans was trying to find this, the floor drains and the, you know, basically chemical spill runoff and other chemical hazard runoff, yep, so for the second party a question. [20:39] Scott Bickford, chief operator, Sebago Lake water treatment facility (applicant): As far as chemical containment, we really don't want that to enter into drains and go anywhere. Yeah, we're trying to contain that into the spill walls inside the building, and we do have a holding tank there on site that will need to be pumped out adjacent to the building. So anything, any rinse water or any cleanups will be in that holding tank, and that'll be pumped out as needed. Other than that, there really isn't any floor drains for the chemical to go anywhere, and that's by design because we want to contain it in the [21:10] Planning Board member: building and address it if that time comes. That was my question about sinks, I wash stations, you know, sorry, you know, disposition of, you know, things. Oh, sorry, for those people who don't realize, I spent five years selling chemicals to people like Fairchild and National Semiconductor up until 2010, so the case is that I'm quite familiar with what happens in a chemical facility. Yes, so the case is that yes [21:37] Scott Bickford, chief operator, Sebago Lake water treatment facility (applicant): so I wash showers, drains, rinse water, clean up water would be going to the holding tank which would get pumped up. For the first part of your question about restrooms, that's true, there's no restroom design in there. We have a cleanup sink for doing some of the work and PMs, but this storage facility building will only be occupied by people during chemical deliveries, which typically is two hours or two and a half hours, and to do any PMs or any work out there that needed to be done on pumps or lines or repairs, so they'll only be out there for an hour to two hours. It's not made for continuous occupancy or [22:15] Planning Board member: continuous workspace for employees. Seeing him remembering my daughter when she went through the plants on her school tour. Oh yeah, as far as if there was a spill or any issues on in the new chemical building, as far as where's the nearest station for, you know, a sense delousing or in a sense if you with any chemicals, if there's no bathrooms or, you know, the sense I watch stations things [22:38] Scott Bickford, chief operator, Sebago Lake water treatment facility (applicant): that I wash stations posted throughout the chemical building, so each bay in the containments and on the walkway, the center walkway through there does have eyewash stations. All right, well see if the showers, safety showers and I will, so it's an eyewash in [22:53] Planning Board member: I got you. Yeah, that's what my sorry with question about drainage. I was having a hard time, Frank, trying to go through the plans, trying to figure out the separation of, in a sense, chemical abatement versus the fact of, like, you know, resident, sorry, incense, non-toxic materials being, or making sure that material, the eyewash stations and the showers get separated so that it doesn't end up in the effluent. Next question. The current tanks replacement, how long do you have before the current tanks replacement? How close are we on facing this? This construction sounds like it's going to take a little bit. Yeah, it's a couple [23:32] Scott Bickford, chief operator, Sebago Lake water treatment facility (applicant): years out. Our tanks are coming up on their life expectancy now, the existing tanks. Know we should get 20 to 25 years out of the new tanks we put them in there, and this building was designed to have removable side walls so that we don't run up against the building where we boxed ourselves in right now, so it's probably a couple years out. And okay, just as long as I said the words [23:55] Planning Board member: couple of years, like, yeah, sorry, if it was, if the tanks were already up for replacement, then you know that would draw up and more of concern. Propane storage, as he said, I noticed it was, I'm very glad to see that, you know, changing from heating oil to propane. The case is that I have private well and private septic, so I don't, you know, you guys raise your rates and only my neighbors or friends will complain. Yeah, as far as propane tanks, are you going to need to expand the ones that you already currently have on property to handle the additional needs, or yes, we only have one small property, that's what I'm saying, I don't remember being a very large, that's just for the [24:34] Scott Bickford, chief operator, Sebago Lake water treatment facility (applicant): lab. Okay, yeah, so these tanks will be newly located at that site on that, I'm sorry, I used to sell [24:40] Planning Board member: stuff to the left, so that's what that is. All right, as I said to the vice chair, I really do want to do a sidewalk to take a look at this, to have more understanding. Cases that as far as my concerns, it just, there's the chemicals involved in the storage and, you know, spill and Dealing with abatement is going to be my big areas of, as I said, I've been trying to focus on to make sure that because you are. It's not a small bill. Yep. It's not a small amount of chemicals that you're, and I won't get into the chemicals or anything else because that, the chemistry and that'd be boring. It's awful. Yes, Frank, I'm going to stop right there. So, if I understand what I read, there isn't going to be a change in the chemicals that you're using or is or you know in the process. [25:35] Scott Bickford, chief operator, Sebago Lake water treatment facility (applicant): All the all the chemicals remain the same that we're using for water treatment although we are proposing and most likely going to move to an LAS or a liquid ammonium sulfate in replace of the aqua ammonia because aqua ammonia is a much more difficult chemical to handle for operation and environmentally. The LAS is a much safer chemical and quite honestly a lot of water treatment facilities have already went that way because it's much safer to handle. It doesn't have the fumes of aqua ammonia. It's not overwhelming. There isn't a plume if there was a release or a leak. It's just a much safer chemical to handle operationally, environmentally and we're working with UNH right now to do any studies for any corrosion control on our distribution system and make sure there wouldn't be any disruption to our distribution chemistry or everything will work fine but quite honestly a lot of other water treatment facilities have converted to this years ago and had no issues but it'll be a safer option to aqua ammonia the rest of the chemicals [26:33] Planning Board member: remain same how often have you had to have those tanks for the spill for any [26:43] Scott Bickford, chief operator, Sebago Lake water treatment facility (applicant): spills or anything pumped out we had an incident it was mentioned at the zoning board meeting before my time at the district but there was an incident there many years ago with the wrong chemical went into the wrong tank and every hazmat team and fire department showed up in southern Maine to respond there was no fire explosion but there was some heat generated and those tanks had to be cleaned out pumped out typically we outsource our clean harbors or an Mpro or something like that we usually have on call for that type of thing and [27:15] Planning Board member: and to echo, I don't, I, live on a property with my own well, in my own septic and these and these water projection rates of the projections for rates. [27:34] Scott Bickford, chief operator, Sebago Lake water treatment facility (applicant): Yeah, is scary. Yeah, it is very scary. And what's interesting about that quite modest when you look at the rest of the water districts across the state and what they're increasing. Main water scout Egan rates are quite modest increase [27:49] Planning Board member: But yeah, I'll take your word for that because I don't know people who live in those places. But yeah and the building and the building schedule is Part of that. Yes [28:03] Scott Bickford, chief operator, Sebago Lake water treatment facility (applicant): Well, part of that, there's main renewals is wastewater. There's a lot, there's a lot that goes into, there is, there's a lot going on at the water district. We have many different arms and a lot of different projects going on. [28:18] Planning Board member: Yeah, thank you. I think that's, I think that answers my immediate questions. [28:22] Chair: Yeah, I'd like to look, I have a few questions. How would you describe the before and after volume of chemicals on site? What do you have now? What will you [28:36] Scott Bickford, chief operator, Sebago Lake water treatment facility (applicant): have in the end? Is the volume going up slightly? It'll be, yes, we're gonna upsize these storage tanks. For example, sodium hypochlorite is the number one chemical we use. We have two tanks that can hold 5,500 gallons, so you can call that 11,000 gallons. Caustic is very similar. We'll probably be slightly upsizing those by a few thousand gallons each. Caustic will probably be upsized by a few thousand gallons. Zinc ortho will probably remain close to the same because there won't be any change there as far as upsizing. LAS tank will be sized a little bit larger, so we have to take less deliveries. One of the other ideas of sizing these tanks, it takes a lot of time and manpower to receive chemical deliveries for us. We take it very seriously. We dedicate two people every time we take a delivery. So if we can minimize deliveries by a lot of storage tanks, that also helps us too. So by upsizing these tanks, we're hoping to minimize how many deliveries we, yeah. So we'd be upsizing, you know, a couple thousand, a couple of chemicals. 4,000, 5,000 gallons total, all chemicals increase. Does that sound about right? That sounds right. [29:54] Applicant representative (water district): Yeah, we, right now, I think it's 6,400 gallons on sodium hypochlorite and sodium hydroxide, and we're going to 8,000 gallon tanks. So, there's that and then the one, could you come up to the, oh, sorry, there is an area, Mike. Okay. Hi. Yeah. Scott's absolutely right. So, we're, we're upsizing sodium hypochlorite and sodium hydroxide from about 6400 gallon tanks to 8000 gallon tanks. And then we're also, and part of that is the delivery. So, you can take a full load more easily and it's easier to schedule. And then the other, the aqueous ammonia tank that we have is quite small. So, it's the, vendor brings a minimum load when they come. So, rather than doing that, we can accept a full load. So, we're going to go from, I think, 2500 gallons for that to a tank is going to be approximately 6000 gallons. [30:59] Chair: So, what does that do to the permitting that you need to do this not just from the town of Spanish, the permitting through tier agencies, Homeland Security, EPA. [31:20] Scott Bickford, chief operator, Sebago Lake water treatment facility (applicant): Yeah, and we've looked at that EPICA-2 document I fill out every year, and one of the biggest chemicals on there for that is the aqueous ammonia, because if it did have a release or a complete loss, there is a plume that would drift, and we pay so much every year to incorporate a hazmat plan for that, and a plan for the plume, like when we used to have chlorine gas there before we went to sodium hypo. That if it was a release of chlorine gas that would be very bad for the environment, the neighbors, we swapped to sodium hypochlorite, a much safer product, the las is a similar switch, so it really won't put us in another bracket as far as regulatory, reducing back to the las actually takes us out of one of the categories, one of the high categories. [32:09] Applicant representative (water district): For after two and we report as a whole district on propane, so we're already doing that. [32:18] Chair: Now, Scott, let me ask you this. I believe wouldn't the town of Spanish want copies of these new permits of these regulatory agencies. [32:30] Planning Board member: You know, I've been in touch with the code office in the fire department. I mean, we've been, they've been in town a long time and we, yeah, I mean, a lot of a lot of this stuff is not the town's jurisdiction to oversee. So, I don't think we get them on a yearly basis. Like, we do some of the stuff. I mean, as far as this project goes, new permitting because of this project, I mean, I think if you're, I mean, the intention is yes, those are available. But if you want to make that a formal condition of approval that we get copies of all of those, I would like to make that as a condition of approval, seeing what permits that you're applying for and have received actually. [33:08] Applicant representative (water district): And we can answer that. I mean, it's just. [33:12] Planning Board member: Stormwater permit for the, I mean, we would already get, I think he's talking about all the chemical reporting once the tier 2 reports. Yeah. Yes. Gotcha. [33:28] Chair: Could you take a few minutes and describe the safety control systems in the building? So sure. Here's an example. Are you gonna have because some of these leaks if there was a leak the air would become toxic so what do you have for controls around the environment inside the building just describe the engineering controls that are that is a [33:58] Scott Bickford, chief operator, Sebago Lake water treatment facility (applicant): Part of this design, sure, each containment for each chemical, they're all separated because you don't want to get them mixed up. So they're like good children, they all have their own rooms. And in each containment there are sump alarms, so anything that, anytime there was a leak or any release of chemical, the sump alarm will pick that up. And we, it's all alarmed into our alarm panel like most things are, the security of the building, all the doors, anything that's open. We have flow detection on every single line, so if something's flowing or flow speeds up, it'll automatically shut off the system because we wouldn't want to overdose anyway. So it's, we have flow detection from the source of the tank and at the source of the injection flow, so if there's a leak in between the line from the tank to there, we're gonna know. And pretty much sump alarms is what we're using, even currently that's what we have for alarming right now. How about air quality monitors in the building? There's an HVAC system that I believe it is designed to, well, it's probably going to close because we don't want to expel the air, right? But we have an air exchange system in there. That is for the correct. And what the higher concern chemical is hydrofluorosilic acid for the fluoride. [35:15] Applicant representative (water district): So, that's in a separate building or separate room completely called in, and it's got 1.5 cubic feet per minute air exchange. All of the tanks are vented outside, side, so you're gonna, you're not, you know, it would only be if you did have a spell, so people would get the alarms from the sump. And then the rest of the building is one cubic feet per minute air exchange. So how [35:43] Chair: about air quality monitors for the people in the building, the monitors the air [35:49] Applicant representative (water district): in the space, sure. And we have hazard assessments and Scott can speak to that. There is where we do use ozone. We have sensors for people for the ozone control, our current system. Now, we do not have air sensors for chemical storage. And we're not planning on having air sensors where the new building is. People would, they have their and their training. So, when they come in, and when tankers are unloading, operators off always will suit up their PPE. Yeah, during the loading. Correct. I mean, that's the time when you're. [36:26] Scott Bickford, chief operator, Sebago Lake water treatment facility (applicant): You know, it's most sensitive vulnerable back to the building won't be occupied the majority of the time. It's really for receiving chemicals or anytime anybody had to do some preventive maintenance or repairs out in the building. They'll be working there. But we have supplied here papers that we all use and train and chemical suits, but we typically don't have a monitoring and chemical rooms, but we do in the ozone. [36:52] Chair: And, what are you going to do with the current storage tanks in the main building? Does it be removed or are you going to keep additional storage? I'll be demoed. I'll be demoed. [37:06] Scott Bickford, chief operator, Sebago Lake water treatment facility (applicant): I'm hoping for a new office. Maybe a wait room for a second bathroom. [37:14] Planning Board member: Just not restrooms. It's going to be no me. No fun to have your own restaurants. Yes. Yeah, is the building going to be sprinkled for fire? [37:29] Bill Orne, Hazen and Sawyer (design engineer): That's the question we're having right now. We're waiting on a ruling from the fire chief. So the state fire typically [37:42] Planning Board member: we don't get into the internal design of the building here. that's a building code with issue with the fire chief fire marshal the code officer so that is an outstanding item that the code office and fire chief are working on them with and these are not [Applicant representative (water district): flammable chemicals so] the stairs going in it didn't look like there was a ramp would there be any need for a ramp there's the loading door that would be at level with the truck but how would someone get in and out I can't use stairs I guess stretcher needs to go so the driveway [38:36] Bill Orne, Hazen and Sawyer (design engineer): driveway and where they just take your name please oh i'm bill orne with hazen and sawyer we're the design engineers on the project so the loading area is at grade it's not elevated oh it's not so it's no it's it's at it 's at grade so just open the door so but there is also human access to come off the existing ultraviolet facility there. So you're going to have an environmentally covered walk area from the existing UV building to the chemical building structure that will be at the same elevation. So there won't be any stairs to go from 1 building to another. Can I point please? Okay, please. So, if you guys have ever been to the water plant, you know, there's an enclosed walkway. Between the main plan in the building, there's going to be a similar. Access from there. Oh, exactly. So everything will be at this same rate and then where they receive chemicals over here. It's at a lower level. [39:51] Planning Board member: Oh, so that's the canopy walkway. Okay. I was wondering why that just looked kind of out of place, because it doesn't show it going anywhere. Gotcha. [40:07] Chair: So, I have Frank. Anybody else have any questions for right now? [40:15] Planning Board member: If there's no other questions from the board, I make a motion to open it up for public comment. [40:20] Chair: I will second that. All in favor? [40:25] Planning Board member: If you're going to come forth, just come to the podium, please. State your name and Anthony Folsom, Stanis resident. [40:33] Public commenter: Just wondering if when they were in the appeals board, they said the demand for a higher volume of water that they're going to need with all these houses being built in cities around. So is this a new whole facility pumps and everything or just a chemical place? And with this new place that we're going to have, they're going to still need hazmat there. And would we allow other businesses to come in that area? So close to the water. With the same situation, I know Paul and water is pretty protective of around the water itself and I hope they're not asking for something. They want to turn down for someone. Just to make it important. [41:17] Planning Board member: Anyone else from the public? We'll get you a chance to answer some of those questions. Unless there's no other questions, then we kick it back to answer. So let's close the public session. I make a motion, Mr. Vice Chair, to close the public hearing. [41:33] Chair: Second. All in favor? So would you like to answer these questions? [41:40] Scott Bickford, chief operator, Sebago Lake water treatment facility (applicant): Let's see. There was a couple of questions there. So the last question I remember about a business possibly moving into Occupy. I don't foresee that happening even in the long term future. As you mentioned, the district, part of what we do is protect the Lower Bay and Sebago Lake. It wouldn't be open to bringing in another business or any other type of business. As far as increasing water production, that's true. Water production will go up over the years, but we serve 11 communities, including Standish. So there's different zoning areas, different pumps, wouldn't be building new pump building. We are looking at upgrading two of the pumps that we have at the plant right now that exist inside the plant. Those are just removing the existing pumps and upgrading them, and that primarily serves North Windham, that area. But over time, you know, the raw water building where those pumps live, those will be upsized, but they'll be in the existing wells where they pull from and from the way, so it wouldn't be a new pump station to be built to speak of, or be replacing pumps in kind in place with larger horsepower motors and different bells. I'm not sure if that covered all your questions. [42:56] Public commenter: For hazmat suits, there at the facility, just like we do have chemical suits and we do have the papers. Each person is trained for those, the operators training to those, and it's a supply there. [43:09] Scott Bickford, chief operator, Sebago Lake water treatment facility (applicant): So we do have chemical suits, equipment, more protective for the employees. Anything larger than that we contract out to, like, a clean source group, so really. [43:29] Planning Board member: Okay, so the questions from the board, as I said, Mr. Vice Chair, I do feel like it's a rural residential area, and I know the Portland Water District, but I would really like to see this. I know that we talked about trying to get some site walks in before November and things get early, but this is a kind of, I really do would like to see the, see where this is and kind of have a feel for the layout. Certainly, I just said when, and I guess this Tony's question triggered this in my head in terms of how much water you are able to deliver to the town of Standish given all the stuff that's being built, all the homes that are being built, and public water being a major part of most of the developments that have been built. happened recently and are continuing to happen is there you know is there a magic number or is that you know you have a do you have a plan just going forward or you know are you looking at as each development adds what 's the magic number trigger right something I hear you we don't really have a magic [44:54] Scott Bickford, chief operator, Sebago Lake water treatment facility (applicant): Number, I think a lot what we do for expansion on hydraulics and main expansions and like the subdivisions that are going here in Standish, as more people develop and more main goes in the ground, there's more demand. They won't meet that demand as the growth comes. There's been a lot of projects up in Boundary Road that we're gonna go and never went. There's a lot of people that say they're gonna build developments and they don't build development, so you have to gauge it by after the builds are done. And the main extensions are already be done, so we try to pace ourselves with the growth of each community. I know the [45:30] Planning Board member: One Woodbury Heights on the hill down here was one issue, one expansion that depended on public water, and I don't even remember the name of the one that's on the other side of Bonnie, on Bonnie Eagle Road, where we just went through a few days of having that expanded from another subdivision across the street that isn't that old. So, you know, it's a good, I think Tony, you know, kind of raises a good, a good question there about quantity going forward. [46:11] Scott Bickford, chief operator, Sebago Lake water treatment facility (applicant): Yes, and that's really driven by, you know, the economic, and it's even though [46:16] Planning Board member: they're, it's having to expand the lines to put these buildings in, it's not really until after things are in. Yes, you have to wait for the demand before we can provide the water to it. That makes sense. Thank you. Okay, I [46:32] Chair: suggest that we as a board address the scheduling of a sidewalk. Let's get that mail down as we had talked about, because of the time change in early November. Let's, let's pick something here in October. What [46:51] Planning Board member: next Monday is a holiday, is it? Yeah, business, Columbus Day moved a week earlier now. I got like my brain has to [46:58] Scott Bickford, chief operator, Sebago Lake water treatment facility (applicant): read just available 6 a.m. tomorrow morning. Take us, I would, but I'd be [47:05] Chair: bringing, I could make it. I may be the only one there, okay, besides you. [47:11] Planning Board member: You bring coffee. I might think about if not to Andrew's point, if not next Monday, when is it? Is there any other time or date that people are available? [47:23] Chair: Let me throw some dates out and let's see. 19 is, I was thinking the week of the 19th or the 19th itself. That's good. How about Monday? The 19th is, I think. Okay. That's the 5 o'clock. Yeah. That. Okay. For everybody. Yeah. Yes. I'll meet you guys in the, in your main lobby there. Sure. How's that? The 19th at 5. 5 o'clock. Okay. Thank you. [48:04] Planning Board member: And Scott, just the heads of the date on it's June 6, 2022, having fun with the fact like, okay, how long has this been sitting on your desk? [48:17] Chair: Okay. Okay. With that said, going through the list, I suggest that we take a look at, throw the motion out there that we move to find the application submitted. I couldn't want to district for the property owners of map lot 18, that's 25, to be complete with approved waivers. Now, what we respect, no waivers completely. No way. I didn't think so. So, anyway, I moved to find the application submitted to the property map lot 18, does 25, to be complete the discussion condition. [49:00] Planning Board member: As I said, I want to really do a sidewalk before I get more, and you can find a complete or if you want to just wait and talk to the sidewalk. [49:10] Chair: That's fine, do that. Okay, it's up to you. So let's, let's try to do the sidewalk [49:15] Speaker M (unidentified): before the next meeting. So yeah, so we would read this, would be back at the [49:18] Planning Board member: November meeting on the agenda under old business, right, the sidewalk under, just want us the table it's got or just leave it, let it go. Yeah, you could do that if you'd like to find it complete, you're welcome to. I believe all the information we need to find it complete, but you want more comfortable doing that at the next meeting after the sidewalk. Yes, I'm okay with where you go out to [49:37] Chair: So, let's make a motion to table this until the next meeting site walk and then regroup back in November. [49:51] Planning Board member: Is there a 2nd? Yeah, Andrew did it too. Okay. [49:56] Chair: No, in favor, so [50:01] Planning Board member: that's the plan. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. That in the water. It's like pulling spring. You got to do work. Okay, [50:32] Chair: next item is, there's a strong bus if I pronounce that right at 703 virtual road, we would like to have 4 campground sites. [50:46] Desiree, applicant (campground): Yes,. Okay. So, Desiree, I live at 703 Richville road, and we're proposing for campground sites and 1 building that has a shower and. And bathroom and we're on private well, and septic, so using their water explain a bit about the project. Yes. So we've been working with we have a couple of funds back there. So they were really in depth when they came out to take a look at the setbacks and you'll see them on 1 of the plants and the setbacks for sites with a 5,000 square foot sites. 4 of them in this little, it's all in that 1 little circle. So there will be a road coming off a rich filled down into that area and straight around and back out. It looks like it's parallel tracks. Yes. So the railroad tracks run behind the house and you guys know that they're obviously not in use and then we actually own property on the other side of the railroad tracks as well. Do [52:20] Planning Board member: you have any comments on this project? I think everything looks in order. The 1 thing that this, I have to apologize to the applicant, try to give them a heads up earlier today, but the came up today is that the, fire department was taking a look at this and they're a little concerned. Just the length of driveway at 12 feet wide and the ability, if they needed to respond and someone was coming down a long way, I'm going to back up. So, they would, I mean, I think the, applicants willing to propose is able to propose any solutions they want, but they, 're the fire department's initial responses that they'd like to see if he's tightened to 16 feet. But aside from that, 's the only outstanding comment that staff has. I got that same comment from John cross when I happen to run into him. Could not be here. [53:13] Speaker G (unidentified): There's an increase the width of that so it is a private road sorry she is [53:20] Desiree, applicant (campground): Question I guess my question because you were just bringing this up I didn't know about this I mean it's okay yeah Andy wasn't going into a meeting and so this is okay so when we're saying to go from the 12 feet to the 16 feet are we talking all the way from Richville Road straight back to the entry of the [53:38] Planning Board member: Campground and through the campground? They're comfortable with through the campground being what's shown because of the loop that leads. There isn't that sort of head-on issue meeting traffic. It's just the new road going across the field. [53:53] Desiree, applicant (campground): And I think if you pull up an overview of where I live, it's an open field. There's nothing there. So if there's four fire trucks coming at you, anyone that's coming out of the campground can go across the field and pull over the fields wide open I think you can probably see it in one so I think she's talking about this one I'm talking about that one right all of this that's a that's a wide open field nothing there 's it's not I mean you're welcome to come and walk the site if you like but this it's really wide open there's nothing there and then that's gotta at least be oh gosh can you see It from the from the overview where it's all open field there's nothing there this everything over here yeah this whole thing here yep this is all wide open this is a whole big field and this is where we're talking about right the back edge so all there's nothing there so I could that could [55:00] Planning Board member: Could be built a bigger that wouldn't be tough to widen. [55:04] Desiree, applicant (campground): I don't know. Do we need a bigger road? If the field is wide open that you could drive the whole field. Okay, that's what I'm saying. Do I have to incur the expense of having an actual road? If there's the whole open field? I don't know. I mean, and that's where I mean, if we want. [55:23] Planning Board member: The, you know, fire department's a little certain driving a big, a big heavy truck right onto something that hasn't been on to the field. Okay, now whether that needs to be a full 16 foot road all the way down, okay, would be up to you to propose an alternative. Okay, at this point unfortunately I could see there may be being some room to just building up a shoulder so that, you know, it's solid, but maybe it's not to the full gravel road. But again, we need something that we could run by the fire department. Okay to see, I think if you were willing to just say the 16-foot road, that's an easy solution that we put as a condition, maybe if the board's comfortable, otherwise we need to [56:04] Desiree, applicant (campground): maybe come back top of the fire department and so is that something I have to go back to the state of Maine and talk to Van with because I'm also working on that permit that road I mean I think [56:14] Planning Board member: You can leave the road opening the same. Okay, it would just be when you get in that it widens up. If they need it at a 12-foot entrance on the road, it just widens up a little bit. Because, again, it's not the 12 feet that's a problem. It's 700 feet length of the road. [56:27] Desiree, applicant (campground): Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. And running power. And a driveway all the way. Absolutely. Yeah. [56:35] Planning Board member: We just want to make sure that if the ambulance has to come down that driveway and someone's trying to come out, that we don't get a situation where we're stuck head-on. There's a little room to get around each other. [56:46] Desiree, applicant (campground): And I think safety is really a concern. So whatever that has to look like, I'm not opposed to that. I just, I guess when I look at the field, I'm like, oh, it's wide open. And you have to remember, we're only talking four campsites. There's a lot of land. I could have put a lot more campsites. I like people, but I don't like people that much. I mean, this is really about them coming to our farm to enjoy the farm and to hang out and goats and all of that for families. We're not looking for big party crews that are bringing 20 people. That's not the intent. [57:19] Planning Board member: And I think Scott's point, too, is the, you know, not necessarily the amount of room you've got. [57:26] Desiree, applicant (campground): Yeah. But how solid. Yeah, how solid it is. That makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. [57:32] Planning Board member: I go off, I go places with my little SUV that a lot of cars don't go, but it's a small vehicle, right [57:39] Desiree, applicant (campground): You know, so and a fire truck's heavy. Yeah, they're big. That makes sense, bigger every year. [57:45] Planning Board member: Sorry this is coming. Yeah, well, and that's fine. And again, it's the length. Normally the 12 feet for a shorter driveway, okay, wouldn't be something that we're there too concerned about, but just so we didn't got a little overlooked in the earlier review, okay, it's just the length of road [58:02] Barry Watson, Standish resident (public commenter): that they're concerned about, that it's that far, okay. [58:07] Speaker E (unidentified): I have I [58:23] Planning Board member: have a couple questions. Okay, and actually the one thing, this just because of the, it's on the map, this is anything we, anything we're doing in this whole area is in, it's not, I don't know, this whole shoreline zoning map, this whole thing. Anything in this area is in the lake. Well, I guess the watershed, but beyond that, what type of campsites are these to be? be because you know there's camping and there's glamping and you know if people are, they bringing RVs, are they bringing tents? No ma'am, what's, no, it's glamping, so they will be [59:20] Desiree, applicant (campground): either the high the tents or they will be like the three season cottages, not with full bathrooms, not with kitchenettes, none of that. So no, they're not pulling RVs back there, we're not [59:33] Planning Board member: doing any of that. Okay, are there platform, I guess they will be on platform? Yes, platforms for tents is what you're talking about, or yeah, you're, or you're actually going to build cottages? Well, those would, we talked about this [59:49] Desiree, applicant (campground): you can't do the full year-round cottages. No, they will not be that, no [59:54] Planning Board member: ma'am, right, I understand. So it's seasonal? Yes ma'am. And so electric hookups and water hookups and that kind of stuff, that again because my head goes to the little RVs that people pull, the little campers that people will pull up [1:00:15] Desiree, applicant (campground): behind. No one will bringing in RVs or anything that they will be there, they're not going to be pulling their little campers behind them. Okay, and so I [1:00:31] Planning Board member: am confused because I was thinking tents or RVs versus actual buildings, so [1:00:39] Desiree, applicant (campground): you're talking buildings. So when we say buildings, we're talking about like what's that place in Kennebunkport and also Desert of Maine where they have just those, first of all they have those tents that you put on the platforms, those, and then they have the three season cottages that are just, that's it, there's no running water, there's no, we're just setting up, none of that. Okay, none of that, so it's not year-round living. No ma'am. Okay, and all the running [1:01:12] Planning Board member: and so there's, there's no, there's no running water in any of these, it's all going to be in the back, the bath facility, right, in the spigot, there's [1:01:23] Desiree, applicant (campground): a one spigot and then there's a bath facility. Yes ma'am, the individual sites [1:01:27] Planning Board member: Don't have water. Thank you. Thank you. Yep. No, they don't. All right, I'm just trying to, I'm trying to get a visual here now. And so it's, it so it is three season, not year-round? No ma'am. And then waste disposal, the septic, we did two sites for [1:01:47] Desiree, applicant (campground): a septic that they found were reasonable. Okay. Yeah, we did a lot into the site [1:01:53] Planning Board member: plan would be H2O and they were very in-depth. Yeah. And I'm just getting, I'm a real, I'm a concrete person. If you show it to me, then I get it and I understand. You've been working on this, oh yeah, for a while. So I'll just trying to, yes, get my head around it and picture exactly what you are talking about, because there are so many different kinds of camping opportunities. This is [1:02:22] Desiree, applicant (campground): this is high-end glamping. This is really the people, no, it really truly is. It's really to enjoy Maine and to come enjoy, yeah, to enjoy goats and enjoy, I mean, we're growing pumpkins and corn and we had a permit for a smoothie truck and all of those things. It's trying to sustain this farm and not sell it to a developer, and it's just that simple. And I'm one person working full-time, my husband and I, to really obtain that. And there's people flying by on 114 just going to spend their money up the streets. And I think, okay, well wouldn't a family like to come and enjoy a farm and be able to pick out eggs in the morning and enjoy that? So that's really what we're creating. It isn't going to be the busiest spot. It is not going to be the cheapest spot. That is not our intent. I [1:03:18] Planning Board member: I think that answers all my immediate questions. Anybody else before we open up to the public to [1:03:29] Chair: make a motion that we open this up to the public. Yep. All in favor. Yes. [1:03:44] Speaker E (unidentified): Yes. Yes, that's great. [1:03:48] Public commenter: Anthony Folsom, Spanish resident with 4 campsites going in there. Does that consider still a driveway? Or should it be considered a road when you're having that traffic going in and out? And we're at a point right now where you're going to set a standard, you allow this to go through and bring it up to wherever it's supposed to be with the town standard that John wants, the public works director. Then you'll have someone else come in front of here and want the same thing. And is there any chance of this campground getting any bigger? And if so, are we going to allow the same size road? So, I think we've got things to look into before you just give the okay. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. I have no intent of building any more campsites back there. [1:04:39] Desiree, applicant (campground): Like I said, I have a lot more land that we could have certainly put a lot more places on there, and we chose not to do that. I think 4 is something that working full time from home is certainly doable. I don't want tons of people back there. I don't want them to be around. I don't want to turn this into something that it's not as far as a road again. I, know a couple other places where it is the gravel road that you go on. I mean, if I'm going now up to a 16 foot road, happy to do that safety 1st, whatever needs to happen back there, but to pave that in the back of my property, I, don't find that. [1:05:19] Planning Board member: Okay, so just for to clarify some ordinance things, and this is an internal access. This is not a road. If any more campsites were added, you'd have to come back to the planning board. and we were going to do that and trips demanded a bigger access way then we [1:05:35] Speaker G (unidentified): built require that at that time okay and I'm sorry Desiree the road [1:05:41] Planning Board member: basically goes in and circles or it's not going to it's not connecting so no one's going to drive through sorry I was looking that's okay so yes access is [1:05:49] Desiree, applicant (campground): right here when yeah van came out we were here all the way across the back edge of the property and again you have to be back from the railroad tracks so it would run here and then there's the road that goes here, the campsites right here. So- [1:06:04] Planning Board member: Yeah, it's what I'm saying. It's not like an interconnector. No one's gonna go from 114 over to something else. [1:06:09] Desiree, applicant (campground): From your road. No,, it's a private road. [1:06:12] Planning Board member: Sorry, I was having fun. If you stand at the Sandish Town Transfer Station or dump, the road stops and then it goes into Dirt Road. Right. There are 50 cars an hour going through that. [1:06:21] Desiree, applicant (campground): Right, no, there would just be those four campsites. And we actually have another road. It's a, it's a rough camp road on the other side of the house. I mean, we could have brought the road. The road just makes it look confusing because it's not that the railroad is not a road. It isn't that isn't a road. That's a rower. I mean, we could almost even do it from here. I just tried to make it look as aesthetically pleasing. I'm trying to keep this as exactly the way that it was I could have dropped the campsites right here in the middle of the field I don't want to do that I want to honor what's there this is beautiful no one will even know that they're back there it's not a motel flashing it's not the cheapest party in town that's not the intent thanks [1:07:10] Planning Board member: For explaining that. Sorry, is there any other public comment? Sorry. Does very just gonna make sure I kill over seeing them. Mr. Vice Chair, I make a motion to close the public hearing. I second it. All in favor? Sorry, there's there's steps and things we have to do or, you know, we've run a run a [1:07:32] Chair: Foul of that. Okay, let's move, let's move forward here. A draft motion, I moved to find the application of this restore bus for a campground of several through 703 Ritual Road to be complete as presented. I second that one. A discussion? Any further discussion from the board? All in favor? [1:08:02] Planning Board member: Okay, we're going forward here. Is that it? Yes, you can sit down if you'd like. Oh, I can sit down? Yes, we have to. Not quite done. Not done, but like don't worry, like, you know, standing all Standing there for a while, it's like, you know, okay, the property is in the rural [1:08:19] Chair: Zone and it's explicitly allowed use of the zone and requires site plan approval, so let's go through site plan criteria. Vehicular and pedestrian safety, the proposal will not create hazards to vehicular or pedestrian safety and we talked about the road here and I think for right now unless I misheard something will include a condition for a 60-foot impact of building and use. The proposal will not impose significant burden of public facilities. The proposal meets all strict requirements for screening in the ordinance. An erosion control plan has been submitted and the project is attempting to work with existing conditions and grades as much as possible. It will not have an undue impact on soil or storm or storm water. The proposal must follow standards of 181-18 for lighting, if you are going to have lighting in the campsites condition, requiring all new lights associated with the campgrounds is in that section. This is a small project with moderate cost. The applicant has been willing to invest appropriately in the groundwork for the project. There are no fire safety concerns for the road, except for the road, except for the roadway, which we have addressed. The proposal has shown adequate provisions for sewage disposal. The proposal is in keeping with the character of the district as laid out in the rural zone district standards. The proposal has made adequate provision for water supply. The applicant is not in default any previous approvals, and this is not in the form-based area. So if all that looks good under site plan approval, I move the board grant approval under the provisions of the Standish Land Use Code for the site plan application submitted by Desiree Strombas for property map 17, lot 18 in Standish. And I found it to meet site plan review criteria 181-73, the performance standards of 181-5, and all other relevant standards of the zoning ordinance with the following conditions. So, I think we now have 6 conditions, right? Yep. I'll work should be in conformance with materials and plans submitted by Desiree strong bus, which consists of the site plan, supporting application materials. Don't permit shall be issued without a road opening permit by this approval shall absolutely come void unless the start of construction or operation as defined the 181 dash 70 dot 1 dot a is not started within 3 years. So, the original approval, the approval is dependent upon and limited to the proposals and plans contained in the application and supporting documents submitted to the firm by the applicant or applicants agent that any variation from the plans proposals and supporting documents subject to review and approval by the planning board, except for minor changes that the code enforcement officer may approve on the lighting shall be of concealed source variety design. [1:11:31] Planning Board member: And the road will to the property will be 16 feet wide and just to be clear, because we didn't need to widen the portion within the woods of the loop. So this is just the 16. The access way showed on the plan as a 12 foot across the field. He went to 16, not the internal loop and not the internal loop. Okay. So, Mr. Vice chair, like, I'm sure Tina cut that, but I'll make a motion to approve the, in a sense motion and the 6 conditions as presented. [1:12:08] Chair: I'll 2nd for the discussion. [1:12:14] Speaker G (unidentified): Your own favor now, Desiree, we're done. [1:12:19] Planning Board member: So that's approved. And I just have to do this. Yes. Thank you. Mr. Hastings will explain all that. See, that's why you didn't want to stand there. [1:12:37] Chair: Next up is 122 Sandy Cove Road you're back oh [1:12:47] Planning Board member: Sir where's the rainbow you had rainbows for us earlier today perfect sorry when we went through the sidewalk he had a rainbow on the lake [1:12:54] Bill Fornell, applicant: That really kind of pulls between rainstorms, between rainstorms. So I'm Bill Fornell and my fiancee Beth Brooks, we bought this nice piece of land on Lake Sandy Cove 122. And originally, we were going to tear it down, build a new house there. And after a year or two, we decided that looked at the camp. It's a 100 year old camp. We thought we'd just rehab and make it keep it preseason. And then after being there a summer or two, we decided that we wanted to keep the camp the way it was and rehab it. And now we've decided that now we want to make that our permanent home. So we decided we want to put a foundation under it. Typically, in Maine, if you have a house that's gone on a foundation, it costs a lot to eat. It's hard to eat. So we're here to try to get a permit. So we can put a full foundation under it, make it a year round home. [1:13:54] Planning Board member: Anything you like that? So, as I said, this is the 1 of those weird edge cases that the board has to do where there's not a lot of actual change to the site or they're just putting a foundation under an existing building that's there legally. But it didn't have a foundation, so the ordinance does require that the board review that and decide if this meets the setback in the water for the greatest practical extent. And I mean, we went out and saw the site. There's no real concerns with the. Where it is now, it is where it's been, it's not going to be impacting the site in any particular way. It would be costly and difficult to move the structure any significant distance. It's not immediately close to the water and it does this leaves room for the septic system and the utility. And I think a easement that goes across the property to the yeah, there's an easement for the power line to go over the building into anyway. So, I mean. At the interest of not digging up the site anymore, not moving it into a new place and letting things be as they are. I don't see any particular reason why you can't approve to put a new foundation under this existing structure as it board members. For the questions, we had a nice site tour today. So I think given. What it where it is pretty perfect because it's up here and not down over the hill near the water. Yeah, there's going to be really no erosion to the draining and the drainage is going to go back. So, I, think since it can be physically done, that this is a, this is definitely not anything. [1:15:57] Chair: I have a problem with anyone else like to comment any further comments seeing [1:16:04] Planning Board member: No board comments. Mr. Vice Chair, I make a motion to open it for public hearing. No, you might just want to stand there and I don't think we're gonna have too [1:16:11] Chair: many of you know. I will second that. So let's open it up. So long favor the [1:16:19] Planning Board member: public comments from the public. Just a comment. Yeah, you said Billy off the [1:16:25] Rich Donaldson, 195 Great Bay Road Extension (public commenter): So, the seed your spot for 1, 2nd, rich Donaldson, 195, great Bay road extension. So it's not to call into question the need for this at all. I appreciate the fact that staying in the same location. I appreciate the fact that if you'd like to upgrade it question is, it is this going with a 30% permissible expansion? [1:16:47] Planning Board member: There's no expansion. So that's cool. It's not going up in high. Sorry. It's not going up in height or space. Yeah, I remember the footprint is original. Right? [1:16:57] Rich Donaldson, 195 Great Bay Road Extension (public commenter): Awesome. It's a nice place. So, yeah, this is self interested on my part too, simply because we have a camp similarly located and at some point we might, it has a frost wall and a crawl space. But at some point we might like to add a lift it and put it in a proper foundation as well. That's that's my only comment. [1:17:16] Chair: Okay, thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. [1:17:21] Public commenter: Sorry, Tony. Here we go. Just Anthony Folsom status resident. I just talked to the gentleman's wife about the septic system and they are going to replace it. And I just hope that it's with all within the town. I mean, it's specs like that. It's probably set back from other people size and everything like that. So, and it is all kinds of thank you. [1:17:47] Bill Fornell, applicant: We do have a septic design already on file for a 6 for a 6 bedroom. It's going to be way back, but we're going to keep this property here with just 2 bedrooms. [1:17:57] Public commenter: I just want to go out there for other people that come down the road that want to do an expansion. It's been taken care of. [1:18:04] Planning Board member: Thank you Mr. vice chair. Any other further public comment. All right, I make a motion to close the public hearing. I'll second. She's seconded. You got there first. [1:18:18] Chair: Okay, moving forward the determination of completeness. I moved to find the application for a new foundation under an existing non conforming structure at 122. Sandy Cove road is complete. I'll 2nd, that motion. If it's your motion, Mr. All right, any further discussion from the board is all in favor. So now we'll take a look at the shoreland review criteria will maintain safe and helpful conditions for the conditions of the approval listed below. No issues not result in water pollution, erosion or sedimentation to surface waters. This item is met will adequately provide for the disposal of all waste. This item is met. Not have an adverse effect, adverse impact on spawning grounds, fish, aquatic life, bird or other wildlife habitat. No adverse impact is anticipated. Will conserve shore cover and visual as well as actual points of access to inland waters. No notable vegetation is being removed as a part of the proposal aside from trees which are being removed as allowed per ordinance and permitted by the CEO code enforcement officer will protect archaeological and historical resources as designated in the comprehensive plan the proposal will protect archaeological I can't say it and historical resources will avoid problems associated with floodplain Plane development and use the proposal will not pose a problem with the floodplain and staff Finds no issues as long as the conditions of approval are met. So, moving forward, I move the board grant approval under the provisions of the standard issues standard use land code for the application submitted by William for now of W. We like side LLC for the reconstruction of a legally non conforming home at 122 Sandy Cove road standards, having found the application to meet the requirements of 237 dash 12 to 37 dash 15 to 37 to 16 and all other applicable sections of the standard code of ordinances with the following conditions. All work shall be in conformance with materials and plans submitted by William Fornell. This approval shall lapse and become void as laid out in 237-16F, which reads that permits shall expire within one year from date of issuance if a substantial start is not made in construction or in the use of the property during that period. If a substantial start is made within one year of the issuance of the permit, the applicant shall have one additional year to complete the project, which time the permit will expire. For standards found in 237-12C.1.B, the Planning Board approval of this site is limited to structure setbacks to the maximum practical extent. The proposal structure setback from a parent normal high water line and remain consistent with existing conditions. This approval is dependent upon and limited to the proposals and plans contained in the application and supporting documents submitted and affirmed by the applicant or applicants agent earlier in writing. That any variation from the plans, proposals, and supporting documents are subject to review by the planning board, except for minor changes of which the code enforcement officer. They approve all clear areas must be revegetated at the completion of the project. [1:22:07] Planning Board member: I don't think we need to change the motion, but just to be clear that the all cleared areas does not prevent them from having their driveway and things like that. I mean, there's construction on a neighboring site. There's been some clearing on the inland side that is not under the strong regulation. So it's a bit of a churn of a mess out there right now. Within reason, they still get to have their driveway. The code officer will review our CEO when it goes decision. Yeah, they already brought in the treatment. We had fun scott's like literally they had the trees already. They are waiting back. So just to be clear. They are the whole area is not clear. They get to have a drive. But they should be all set and make a motion. Sorry, since I 2nd, that motion order we want to call for all the conditions and any other any further comment from the board is all in favor approved [1:22:59] Chair: next project. The next project, we have a 12 lot subdivision on first road map 17 lot 4 floor is yours. Oh, I wasn't sure if he was going to start off. [1:23:28] Silas Canada, and Civil Consultants (applicant's engineer): Thank you. My name is Silas Canada and with Canada and civil consultants representing the applicant Jim and Gleady with metal LLC. Let's see, actually, Scott, if you don't mind, can you start scroll up? to the first the second survey plan that one right there all right so just to give you a little bit of background on the project so this is the existing parcels are what I'm outlining in red here so it's parcel one on this plan which is the larger piece and then it's also the smaller a little over three acre parcel right here which is actually owned by Jim Gleady, one of the folks with us today. And Herb Meadow owns the remainder of the property here. In total, it's about 55.66 acres. That existing lot has a single family house on it with an ADU. That house and the ADU are going to be wrapped into the subdivision, so it's going to become part of the overall project. Aside from the development on this lot, there's a little bit of meadow area in the front of this of the lot. There's a logging, clear logging path that goes kind of through the site in the back here. The rest of the site is undeveloped and wooded for the most part. And there is a wetland on the back edge, sort of the southern portion of the site. There are also within that wetland, there are 4 potential vernal pools that were identified by the wetland professional. Those have not been studied for significance yet, so we are assuming that they are significant and we're applying the heaviest standards to those with 250 foot setbacks from those vernal pools. And that also triggers a 75 foot setback from the wetlands that contain them as well. So our entire product is actually staying out of all those all those setbacks in general Scott if you don't mind scrolling down to C 100. [Speaker E (unidentified): This is] the existing conditions plan so this is the wetland area in the back this hatched area and then these areas with the sort of concentric circles around them those are the potential vernal pool areas and then the setbacks are the TDP setbacks related to what would be considered a significant vernal pool. And then there's a 75 foot setback that we have around the perimeter of the entire well as well. The, so, from a density standpoint, we have the site allows to take out all the deductions, which, in this case is really only the standard 15% deduction for the whole site. Plus the wetland area on site that leaves us with an allowable density of 12 and a half lots, which rounds down to 12 and we are proposing 12 lots for the project. And again, that does include the existing lot, so there will be 11 additional lots to what is there now. Now, if you could go down to the subdivision point. Yeah, right there. Okay. So this plan shows we have the road subdivision road coming in off of Richville. It's about 1600 feet long to the end with a hammerhead turnaround around. Each one of these lots is a little bit over 45 square feet. We are using the cluster provisions for this with open space which allows the reduction in the overall lot area to a minimum of 40,000 square feet. It also allows us to reduce the setbacks by 50% on the front side and rear, which we are asking to take advantage of that as well. And that allows us to provide a significant amount of open space. All the lots on the north side are actually set back from the property line, so there's actually open space all around the top of the parcel here and wraps around the back. Obviously this is a very large portion of the open space, and then there's another small open space section right here which is part of the hundred foot setback requirement from the main road. We do also have, so the applicant actually owns this parcel in the back as well, so we are providing a 50-foot driveway easement in case they ever need to access that parcel from the end of the road, so that is also included [1:28:16] Planning Board member: as part of the project. How wide is that you say? I'm sorry, what was that? How wide did you say that? It's a [1:28:21] Silas Canada, and Civil Consultants (applicant's engineer): 50-foot wide easement. Okay. [1:28:24] Planning Board member: Are you planning on connecting into Radcliffe? [1:28:27] Silas Canada, and Civil Consultants (applicant's engineer): Sorry, the road that's... So Radcliffe, yeah, so this back lot here and this was divided off earlier this year, so that the project parcel and the back lot, they're both over 40 acres, so you can divide those off without having to go through subdivision. And this parcel actually got its frontage off of rackliff, which actually the applicant owns all of rackliff itself, but rackliff has not improved up to a town standard yet, so if they access it off of that road they would actually have to build the entire road up to town standards, so that's why we wanted to provide a potential access here that might be a little bit simpler and also wouldn't impact [1:29:07] Planning Board member: the folks along ratcliffe as well. If it, what kind of surface, I mean, is that just going to be gravel, is it going to be a field, what's it going to be? As of right now it's going to be [1:29:18] Silas Canada, and Civil Consultants (applicant's engineer): nothing, so it's just going to be there for when, if and when the clients want to, the applicants want to use it, then they can build a driveway in their tax, so it realistically be a gravel driveway most likely. So that's the intent of having that easement there. So one of the, one of the things about this project is that when this house was built, it was built by Jim Gwady, they actually built a section of road through here and with the anticipation of this project coming down the road, they actually built it to town standards. I will say 99% to town standards, so they have, you know, an adequate gravel base and sub base, and then the existing pavement that's out there is just the base layer of pavement. It's slightly narrow, so what we're going to do is widen the base pavement a little bit as part of this project. We're going to cut off the existing pavement at about station 400, so about 400 feet into the road, just past the driveway here, and at that point we actually have to raise it up a little bit more and provide a little bit more drainage in the back of the site. So as part of this process, we are going to do some test pits on that first 400 feet of road just to verify that we do indeed have the right depth of material to meet the town standard. We'll provide that information to the public works director, and we'll work with public works for whatever kind of information they want on that existing sectional road, just to make sure that they're comfortable that it does indeed meet the standard, and then the rest of the road will be built, and then the entire road will be overlaid with a finished course of pavement, so it'll be one smooth layer pavement over the last, over the entire road at the end of project, so the open space criteria, so the essentially the standard is that you have to have twice as much open space as you have proposed lot area. That minimum requirement in this case is a little over 26 acres. We're actually proposing about 40, 41 one acre, so we have significantly more open space than what we would require in this project. But all that is intended to be conserved. For utilities, we have, actually Scott, if you don't mind scrolling down to the next. Yeah, that's going on right there. So utilities, we have, there's actually already, there's one utility pole that was installed at site entrance. There is underground power and communication from there to an existing transformer. We're going to tap off of that, we're going to continue underground all the way to the end with communication and power. Every lot will have individual wells, individual septic systems. We have two passing test pits on every lot. The existing lot already has one, already has a septic system, but we did get an additional test pit on that just to make sure we're checking all the boxes. There was some language in the application if you happen to catch it. We did add this 12th lot at the end because at the time there was some confusion on my part about one acre lots actually in Standish there's only 40,000 square feet versus a standard acre which is 43,560 square feet. Using 40,000 square feet actually allowed us to gain one more lot in the project. So that's why we're missing two test pits at the time we submitted this application. We didn't have time to get them before submitted but we have subsequently gotten those test pits and they do pass, I did provide that to town staff. So that information is now in the system will obviously provided officially again with the next submission and then a similar thing with the traffic study traffic study was done for an 11 lot subdivision. We asked the traffic folks to go back and add in a 12 lot, which they've done. And we've also provided that to town staff again, did not make any changes to their conclusions or recommendations for the project. But they did say that there's no adverse impact anticipated from this project. So, I believe I might have said it already, but each lot will have its own individual. Well, those are all going to be located 100 feet septic systems. We also are proposing a 10,000 gallon fire system about a 3rd of the way into the site. right here with a pull off of the fire trucks. I believe that's currently under review by the fire chief so obviously any comments we get from them will integrate but I believe that meets the standard and then we have a you know for emergency vehicles we have a hammerhead turn around and again the total length the road is about sixteen hundred and twenty five feet which is significantly less than the maximum twenty five hundred square feet I believe is still So, as I did mention before, too, you can see kind of the edge of the wetlands down here. This is essentially, you know, the end of the project is right here. We're not impacting any of the wetlands. We're also not impacting any of the buffers from the wetlands. So, from an environmental standpoint, there's, there's, there's very little impact. so we don't need any, maybe permits or on the core permits for this project because of our distance from it. We are going to need to get a stormwater permit. The reason for that is just the amount of impervious created from the road. So we'll get that permit and that'll have it's our phosphorus calculations included into that, which will meet the standards, which again, by default will meet the town standards. We'll also need a main DOT entrance permit, which we will submit for the site entrance off of Richville Road. And then before construction can start, the contractor will have to get a main construction general permit. But that won't happen until after approval, but before they break ground. So with that, I'd like to turn it back over to the Chair and take any questions. [1:35:38] Planning Board member: That was a very thorough review. He said public works is looked at it. Their main concern is just making sure that the road that's already built is was, in fact, built the standards because it hasn't been expected at this time by them. So, they're working on that and we'll show that to the town, the public safety fire chief is looking over the plants, but I don't have a formal comment back at this time. We had 3rd party engineer look it over and they do provide us a few comments of things they need back and we don't have a response yet at this time. But I'm sure they're, they're working on it. We do, we don't have a copy of the permitting, which means there's some information about phosphorus calculations and things like that we also don't have yet in the works. And. And that's all the major issues. So the board tonight's just got to talk about whether they are comfortable with. If they want to have a sidewalk, if they don't want to have a sidewalk, if they're comfortable having all of those issues settled in final, or if you want to hold off, get some of these comments from staff and the engineer in hand before you get. I'm fine Alaska. Okay. [1:36:59] Chair: My 2 cents. When the grades is to wait to get a few more of the eyes dotted and teach cross before we do pulmonary approval and that we schedule a sidewalk as soon as we can. And we'll talk about that in a 2nd, and then come back at it at the next meeting. Okay. Okay, that's what I'd like to do. How about you guys? [1:37:25] Planning Board member: Yep, definitely. It sounds good. Yes. Your vice chair. I agree. The site walk is a big, let's talk about timing for a site walk where you got the 9th. Sorry Andrew was the 19th. Right? We already knocked off that night. Yeah, if you want, I can go out 1 week and do it on 1026. [1:37:47] Chair: 5, P. M. on 1026, or we could pick another day that week of the 19th, but that's the 20th [1:37:55] Speaker G (unidentified): 20th. [1:38:00] Silas Canada, and Civil Consultants (applicant's engineer): I think I'm okay, but time you usually hold those on. Sorry. So, with son getting down, it would be by probably 430 closer to 5. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I just, I, have something I have to be at later on the day. That day is the 20th. Not good for you. It's not ideal but I can make it work if that's what works. 26 was better for me. [1:38:20] Speaker G (unidentified): Over here I can do the 26 can work for me Monday. Yes, 26. Yeah, let's do that. [1:38:29] Planning Board member: Okay for 435 and then some folks still work for some don't some of us are. [1:38:39] Silas Canada, and Civil Consultants (applicant's engineer): Slugs. Would you mind if I just have a few clarifying questions? So what you guys, so we'll stake the center line on the road. Yeah. What else would you like to see? We. [1:38:49] Chair: Can do a lot corners, we can do... Typically staking out lot corners, again I don't I don't have a feel for what's accessible and what's not, but showing us the lay of the land of a lot corners helps a lot anything else that you can where the. [1:39:09] Planning Board member: Mark that sends the picture of where things are going like sorry where the sister fart where the. Fire system is going to be where the cistern is going to be that's something we usually you know we ran into one or two projects where the cistern was in a weird location that didn't. It seemed to, you know, this 1 is pretty well, fairly central. How large again? Did you how many gallons was that sister? 10,000 gallons, which I believe is the standard for the, in the ordinance. [1:39:38] Chair: And is there an address? [1:39:40] Silas Canada, and Civil Consultants (applicant's engineer): Well, so the existing law is 619 Richville road with a, with a house on it right now. So that's the address we've been using for the address you use to get to the. Yes. Right. Right, I assume there's plenty of parking on the existing. [1:39:57] Planning Board member: We don't need you to get the 1 of the guys doing this. [1:40:02] Silas Canada, and Civil Consultants (applicant's engineer): We're at the entrance and then I guess my other question, if you don't mind is in terms of what other information you're looking for. So sounds to me, like, you know, coordinating with public works. Obviously, there are some questions about stormwater is my understanding that we don't necessarily need to have the full stormwater in hand. For preliminary approval, we do need to have it for final approval, but just because that takes time with the deep and everything. So, I guess I'm just wondering what your thoughts are on what exactly you want for them in order for us to get preliminary approval. [1:40:36] Chair: It would be to make sure the drawings are up to date with the 12th lot and the thing that you've communicated to the town prior to this meeting. Save your documentation up to date on what you're building. Yep, so that is all there currently we are [1:40:54] Silas Canada, and Civil Consultants (applicant's engineer): showing all 12 lots on the plans. The only thing we didn't have was the two test bits, two actual test bits done. We're showing on the plan for the like the stormwater comments. We [1:41:04] Planning Board member: know that a lot of that's going to be back and forth. The DEP, you can't give us a final, right? Exactly. I don't know what timeline you're on and trying to submit to DEP. [1:41:11] Silas Canada, and Civil Consultants (applicant's engineer): Well, we so we wanted to get initial feedback from the board to make sure that you know we're heading and in the right direction with the road, where it's going to lay out and stuff first, and then but we're you know we can submit to the DEP relatively soon, but you know it's it's a few [1:41:24] Planning Board member: months before we can get it. Oh yeah, I mean I know we won't get approval, but if you can give us a copy of what you've submitted, at least then our engineers can check some of the things off the list that they're just waiting to even see. Okay, then I think that would give us a long way toward [1:41:37] Chair: trying to be any outstanding. I don't know if fire safety is waiting for [1:41:47] Planning Board member: waiting for feedback from fire. We're waiting on them right now, but we can we can get make sure that we hear from them by the next meeting, and it'd be nice before the next meeting the third party review. Well, that's the we're what level of answer to them is what we're just talking about the stormwater I think we can address the give making sure they have the updated traffic impact the updated test bits i've already sent that on to them there's a couple questions around the roadway that i think we can address with them but the storm water is going to be a little more because of the dp is the sort of the end all reviewer of that but we have a copy of what you're submitting to them then our engineers can at least check off some of those things they know that they have in hand. It looks like it's good, and I love the underground utilities. We have enough, we have enough electrical outages with branches falling on wires around here, and I this is probably premature, but what kind of a time frame do you have for when you, know, the buildings, you know, do you have a, I want to do 5 now and I want to do phasing plan is what she's. Thank you. Thank you. Better words. He's been doing this long. [1:43:14] Silas Canada, and Civil Consultants (applicant's engineer): You know, I think, you know, if we could crank out approvals, I think they'd probably like to get started this fall. But if that's, you know, if the weather doesn't allow that, I think it'll start in spring. I know that there are some restrictions on the number of building permits you can get in a year. So obviously we'd have to be somewhat restricted by that, which clients are aware of. And I don't remember what those numbers are off the top of my head, but I don't believe they could do the full build out all at once. Usually, we don't worry about the phasing till we get to the final plan. When we get to that, we'll talk to you. But the whole road will be built at once, I assume, and then the lots will be built out as they're sold. [1:43:52] Speaker G (unidentified): Thank you any [1:43:57] Planning Board member: other comments. I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. I was wondering if the Eastman that goes over to Rackliff road could be extended as a trail easement to the railroad where I'm trying to build the trail on the railroad so that the residents have direct access to walk by in snowmobile. [1:44:22] Silas Canada, and Civil Consultants (applicant's engineer): bill road certainly something we could discuss with the clients we haven't [1:44:28] Planning Board member: talked about at all doesn't come up yeah and it doesn't really need to exist until there's a trail there but just putting it on there that this is 10 15 [1:44:37] Silas Canada, and Civil Consultants (applicant's engineer): foot wide yeah so just be like a walking trail not a not a vehicle trail to the railroad right yeah I can't answer that myself but we can talk to [1:44:48] Planning Board member: them and then was this going to be an hoa yes and then a street light is there a really [1:45:00] Silas Canada, and Civil Consultants (applicant's engineer): good place for a street light so we actually have a street light proposed right at the intersection there's already a pole there yeah what we're proposing is one of the cmp lights that so you basically pay cmp a yearly fee and that way you don't have to maintain it cmp maintains it so that is right at this at the intersection of the site. We haven't proposed any other lighting, you know, like street lighting and gets a little overkill in my opinion. Sometimes. Yep. And then what about. [1:45:31] Planning Board member: Any street trees or anything like that [1:45:36] Silas Canada, and Civil Consultants (applicant's engineer): Propose any street trees because it is a, it's a field right now. Right? So a portion of it is. Yeah. Yeah, but so 1 of the challenges with street trees right now, so the plan is for the applicants to build the road and then they're going to sell the lots. Undeveloped essentially, with the exception of the stormwater infrastructure, and some of the digits between the between the lots. So the, town standard road is actually relatively wide and a 50 foot easement and the road slopes actually. Extend beyond the edge of the right-of-way so it's challenging to put in street trees a within the right-of-way because they'll be right in the ditch line you know one thing if trees are requested we could we could write it into the homeowners documents that maybe each law has to plant one tree close to the street something to that effect but we're not proposing because we also don't know where the driveways are going in the lots you know that'll be up to the owners so there's a lot of Variables that could affect you know where the trees might want to go so for that those reasons we're not but yeah we're not opposed [1:46:44] Planning Board member: To having these on site it's just i was just thinking it was going to look kind of like barren it's just going to be house there's not there's not a lot in between [1:46:56] Silas Canada, and Civil Consultants (applicant's engineer): Anything i'll talk to the clients about can i answer that oh yeah go ahead yeah [1:47:00] Speaker E (unidentified): Yeah, I'm [1:47:03] Speaker M (unidentified): Generally that'll be addressed in the homeowners documents. Every launch can be required to have at least 2 hardwoods. I'm thinking maple trees, but like, you said, we don't know exactly what the driveways are going to be. So, we don't really want them on the plan necessarily, but it'll be in there. It'll be in the covenants of the property note to the plan as well. Yeah. That's my house. That's up. That's been built there. I've got multiple trees already planted. [1:47:29] Silas Canada, and Civil Consultants (applicant's engineer): I like trees to also say to there are a number of very mature trees right at the site entrance I think there's four deciduous trees and one large pine those are all gonna remain we're keeping those so you know there will be at the [1:47:45] Speaker M (unidentified): Entrance it'll be a little broken that was the old Thompson farm you guys probably know so there's four very old maple trees and so the road as it comes in it kind of needed to keep it away from those trees and we didn't want to disturb the root systems at all so that's why the roadside it kind of goes in and then bends a little bit just to try to preserve those I think they're healthy [1:48:09] Planning Board member: My only last question was about the site distance, or not the site distance, the distance between Harmons Beach Road and this road, if there was [1:48:23] Silas Canada, and Civil Consultants (applicant's engineer): any issues there's no issues that there are separation requirements but we're We're actually well over the separation requirements and whatever the town. Intersection requirements are [1:48:35] Rich Donaldson, 195 Great Bay Road Extension (public commenter): My question. [1:48:38] Planning Board member: Well, yeah, the question I had was in relation to C301 and I see the road design construct, but on the cases, they see the driveways, but there's no plans or, in a sense, allocation for a sidewalk. Or sorry, as far as because of the talks about the fact that the potential for the road to some way down, I'd be like, let's say up to town standards. I get very nervous, you know, is there any, in a sense, what's the siding, you know, meaning, or end, or is there going to be a plan for at least a sidewalk on one side of the road? Because you're talking about 12 lots, that's a little bit of, you know, of a stretch going down to the end, so. [1:49:16] Silas Canada, and Civil Consultants (applicant's engineer): Yeah, we're not proposing any sidewalks, you know, there's no sidewalks in the vicinity of the site. Another challenge with sidewalks on this site is that, you know, as soon as you introduce sidewalks, you have to introduce curb as well for the most part. This is actually a very flat site, so we're actually, I don't know if you noticed on the profile, but we actually have to raise the site up a fair amount in order to get the necessary drainage that we need and also to get pipes under this, under the road, and if we had to add curbing and which then would mean we'd, you'd also have to add drainage structures adjacent to that curving. The amount of cover you need over the pipes, we'd probably have to raise the road another foot and a half in order to like actually make that drainage work. So it really becomes, you know, all of a sudden we've got a road that's seven feet out of the ground, just for the sake of adding sidewalks. You know, it's my opinion, it's relatively long, it's not that long and it's relatively straight. It's pretty good site distance. There's not a lot of curves where, you know, you can see people coming. [1:50:16] Planning Board member: So, anyway, that's that's our opinion on the sidewalks. I'm just understand that we literally sorry we were driving by this today. Just literally up the road. We've approved another subdivision and we required sidewalks. So, the concept is, and we've required sidewalk not record the requirement, but we've encouraged or, in a sense, made it very clear that doesn't have to be sidewalks and post sides. But the reality is that because of school buses dropping off kids and because of you know walking down the road this is not two or three lots this is twelve lots which means you know it's something it's going to be traffic and kids walking down and one of the things is that it's become kind of a stipulation when you talk to people who live on roads without sidewalks sorry like mine my neighbors constantly remind me that the kids getting dropped off by the school bus at the end of the road have To walk all the way down the road half a month is he knows this because it's the thing she's watched it herself. That's a half a mile down a road with, you know, with kids walking. So, as I said, it's not that we call the word requirement. I'd say that we've strongly encouraged sidewalks with, let's say, subdivisions of any size over, like, 1 or 2 lots and we've there's been a few debates. We had a couple of subjects where we accepted just a shoulder to avoid the curve issue. I just didn't see sorry I didn't see the shoulders of the works is not doesn't always want a curb especially in that place of this where you're gonna raise it up that much to get that drainage in yeah I think there's some room to talk about how pedestrians are handling the subdivision without necessarily being a full sidewalk make sure you have a plan or something go one down the road is a 30 lot subdivision on a much curvier road yeah so it's not exactly the same yeah, as I said, I just don't want to surprise them the day of the sidewalk and say, okay, anybody else my 2 cents worth on that is that it's not a form based code village district. And so I know sidewalks are a big deal in those areas. This is more of a rural area and it's small. It is a relatively small subdivision. And if I understand correctly, is the road eventually going to be crowned more or less? Yeah. The road for drainage. Okay. and, I, yeah, I don't know that. I. My opinion is that this would be something that if people are interested in doing later, then. Maybe, but are people going to be moving out to this rural area, expecting sidewalks and tree amenities and all that stuff. As they might in a more. Urban area, you know. The 40,000 square foot lots are. Just about a good size, you know, not too big, not too small and. And as long as you've got your wells and subject where they need to be distance wise, then your tree stuff and as you said, requiring a couple of maples or something like that, once they've figured out what they, how they want to. Build their house seems like we ought to be leaving a little something for debt for when for when folks actually. Get there and then and. On top of that, the issue that's been coming up is. To educate folks who are buying these lots that they don't necessarily own everything to the pavement in terms of where they can put stuff to allow for plowing and. And, you know, maintaining the roads as well, and for access and egress for emergency vehicles as well. So, I, 'm not going to worry about sidewalks right now, but, you know, I think that's some, I, my personal opinion is that's something that could be. Put off and maybe down the road. Okay. Sorry, Silas. It never gets done down the road. I just understand the reason we started pushing it the last three years is because it does never get done. And unfortunately, when tragedy happens, that's not the time to realize about pedestrian safety or things. As I said, I don't care about the grounding and the flatting and things like that. It's like, yeah, trust me, it's going to be an issue about the fact of, you know. [1:55:19] Chair: Anybody else? Let's open it up. Yes. Yeah, open up to the public 2nd, then all favor public comments. Sorry. [1:55:42] Cynthia Shaw, 605 Virtual Road (public commenter): Cynthia show 605 virtual road. I'm going to butter. As a general rule, I don't have a problem with developments. Or with cluster housing, but as you have noted before, this is a primary recharge aquifer area for Lake, and you're about to plug for 1211 more wells and alone more septics in a relatively small area. This would probably not be an issue at this time but if you're going to continue this type of development in that area it will become one and I'd like the board to take that into consideration as they are looking into this development thank you thank you anybody [1:56:50] Barry Watson, Standish resident (public commenter): Else I have a question on the easterly side. Sorry, you have to give your name. And sorry, Barry Watson, Standish, where the hammerhead is there, is that strip of property, is that always going to be the public that goes with the lots, or is that something that [1:57:18] Planning Board member: area up here right up in the corner? Yeah, that's proposed to be part of the common area, so [1:57:25] Barry Watson, Standish resident (public commenter): So that would be, so it's undeveloped forever and you could never. [1:57:29] Planning Board member: Develop it, I mean, I won't tell you 200 years from now, we don't change the rules right now. Under the rules that we have and under the documents in the plan that they're recording, that is undeveloped would [1:57:43] Barry Watson, Standish resident (public commenter): not be able to build and it will stay that way. [1:57:46] Planning Board member: With the exception of maybe that little driveway, they showed going off around, which was to the other side of the hammerhead. [1:57:54] Barry Watson, Standish resident (public commenter): Right. Is there any chance that you want to put this on to Rackleff? [1:58:03] Silas Canada, and Civil Consultants (applicant's engineer): Well, the intent of that is only to, sorry, the intent of the driveway is only to access that lot in the back. But again, they all actually own Rackleff. So I don't think the intent is to make a loop, but it's not, yeah, they're not intending to make a loop road if that's what you're asking. [1:58:22] Barry Watson, Standish resident (public commenter): Yeah, it's really just access that a lot. Yeah, because otherwise they're landlocked. [1:58:30] Speaker E (unidentified): Okay, thank you. Thank you. [1:58:33] Public commenter: Just a quick question. Anthony, I was glad to hear the question on the aquifer. I have brought it up before when my head up concern was a big motor when she was a council member of the aquifer coming across that area. So, I am glad that someone else has brought it up, but this is being anyway, this isn't going to get approved tonight. So, and the easement off from 114 is going to be the 50 foot wide just like the rest of the road to the back. Is that what it's approved for now? Are they trying to get a permit to because that was originally a driveway? How much was originally approved for access to the driveway? [1:59:19] Planning Board member: I might have to go pull up. I don't think it wasn't even at the time. It's just a driveway to access that line, but knowing this was coming, they built it. [1:59:30] Public commenter: So, now it's 50 feet standards, and they would be now putting in a 50 foot. Thank you. [1:59:38] Chair: Any other comments from the public make [1:59:43] Planning Board member: a motion to close the comments from public hearing 2nd, that favor. [1:59:53] Chair: So, moving forward, and I make a motion that this is this topic is table to we get sidewalk out of the way and the next meeting and the next meeting. [2:00:09] Planning Board member: Is there anything you felt needed more than the November meeting time to get together? When do we need to get you the documentation for a small water? I mean, any only would want things basically next week to get a little bit a couple days leeway there, but we'll do our best to get in. Well, I mean, it's really just a storm water. That's the question. [2:00:34] Silas Canada, and Civil Consultants (applicant's engineer): I mean, we've got to the test bits and the traffic stuff, so I believe that's the only outstanding. So we'll, we'll be aiming for November, but if you feel you need more time, it'll be December. [2:00:45] Planning Board member: And just if anybody is the public wants to know just watch the agendas probably be next month but if not it'll be December thank you very much not yet we have the public hearing you're done so we're not yeah vote the table sorry Since I think dizzy did you second I can second the second favorite the table [2:01:10] Chair: Until the next meeting, or whenever scheduled. Lastly on the agenda, we have a Planning Board public hearing. Amendments to Standish Town Code Chapter 181 land use regarding the official zoning map and assessor's tax map. [2:01:32] Planning Board member: Okay, so this has been a request to rezone the property across the street from here. That is got the daycare and a church, some other tenants in it. [Speaker E (unidentified): So, just] Right across the street, this one right here, all here from the industrial zone, which it is currently zoned to the standard corner zone, which is what we're zoned in on this property right here. And is zoned all around it except for the inside and that's that's pretty much the whole of it the property owners asked to do that because they'd like to have a little more flexibility in the kind of tenants they have in the building as it exists and to maybe consider developing that front yard in between the building and the road which would not be easily done under the industrial zoning, but he has potential and it's A public hearing. So, Mr. vice chair, I make a motion to open it for public comment to an empty. I'll 2nd, opening it for public comment. They ever say, I don't think anyone for the public to remain up to the podium. I think they all deserted us. Does the board have any comments? I don't not on the public here. All right. Get a motion to close thank you For the help of the dates cuz like I was yeah my [2:03:18] Chair: Brain was perplexing there so moved all in favor Frank [2:03:29] Planning Board member: See Frankie took us