Knox County Commission approves $68,479 airport terminal repair, weighs per diem administrator

[0:03] Speaker A (unidentified): Well, Thursday, October 8th, special meeting. We want to get into the order what the commission is here. And as always, we will open with a public comment. Seeing there's no public comment, we'll move on to the, and we want to do the discussion 1st, from the action item. And so on a motion to an action to authorize the airport manager to approve sixty eight thousand four hundred and seventy nine dollars expense to repair the airport terminals. Children access removed in the second discussion. [0:57] Speaker B (unidentified): Sir, so back in, I won't say. June. This has been going on for a while. Back in June, we had an issue with our air conditioning system. There was a leak somewhere between when the line runs from the exterior of the building to our children. The issue was that line goes out of the building, down along the side, and then underground to the children. So we identified the leak and found that it was a type of light bulb. We had to have the area cleaned by Cerro Pro, I think was the company that did it. We had to have it cleaned and monitored by DEP to make sure there were no issues with it. We had a temporary fix done by Siemens, the company that we have that operates this. That temporary fix goes above ground and just runs from the exterior above ground to the shore unit. It so that way we could still have some type of you know air conditioning in the summer to keep school while we negotiated how we were going to get this fixed and try to identify the root cause of the issue. Trying to negotiate with Siemens to get this done wasn't as successful as we would have hoped. I think there was a one-year warranty when this system was installed and we're about five or six years out. We can speculate as to what we think was the actual cause of the issue, but without having this work done, it's hard for us to tell. This work will actually see the ground excavated and lifted up and we can see what happened underground. While this is being done, we're going to have insurance there on site and an insurance representative who can visibly see and look at. Hopefully this will be covered under insurance, but we were not able to get any discount for coverage by Siemens at all. They fell back on that. It was a one-way street. [2:47] Speaker C (unidentified): If there's a cause that their lack of proper procedure caused the problem, would they then cover it, or is that not [2:59] Speaker B (unidentified): Covered as well? I think if that is the issue, I think insurance would have a leg to stand on to go after them and pursue some sort of reference from them. But until we do this, we're going to be able to see it. [3:13] Speaker D (unidentified): Who will be doing this work? I'm assuming it's not Siemens. [3:17] Speaker B (unidentified): So Siemens is who we contract to do this because they kind of have the say and it kind of keeps everything in their wheelhouse. Else but surely in fact I've checked it out to them Rhino you know Rhino digging in the SR when [3:34] Speaker E (unidentified): They actually the guys didn't like covered ground so they're going to use them again [3:39] Speaker D (unidentified): Because it will be seen as but a contract would [3:45] Speaker C (unidentified): There be an insurance person there too [3:47] Speaker A (unidentified): Yes that's what happens yes I think we get a five-year warranty on the worth that they do [3:55] Speaker B (unidentified): I hope so. I think that this is a I understand that there was a 1 year warranty on paper that is the truth. But I think that this shows that we have a contract with scenes, not necessarily a partnership with scenes. Our trips are hard to come by contracts can be renegotiated contracts from ago. I think that's something that we need to keep in mind. [4:21] Speaker A (unidentified): And money is coming out of reserves. When we have enough money in reserves to pay for this. [4:30] Speaker F (unidentified): We're actually working on projections right now for airport and airport security, because some of it may be able to be covered within the departmental budget. Budget there is some money reserves but they also have a healthy undesignated day unfortunate so the funding is somewhere just which bucket it will be coming from not sure yet I mean by [4:54] Speaker A (unidentified): Approving this are we allowing money to come out of the undesignated fund if they overrun their [5:01] Speaker F (unidentified): A budget at the end of the year any [5:07] Speaker E (unidentified): Other questions I got a question we paid for that nine thousand and something dollars so far on repairs I didn't want to say it was we are [5:19] Speaker B (unidentified): Holding off on I think it's eight thousand three hundred dollars worth of invoices related to this that is until the system is fixed completely I didn't feel comfortable releasing right now [5:31] Speaker E (unidentified): Yeah, that's really going to be if they don't cover anything, it's going to be on top of the 68,000, right? [5:38] Speaker B (unidentified): So the, 8,300 is not included in the, that's something that we can do, you know, internally. It doesn't have to be like. But the big purchase is outside of that. [5:52] Speaker C (unidentified): One question, wherever this line is. When you dig it up, what,, what part of interference are you going to pause with. [6:01] Speaker B (unidentified): Good traffic, but I don't know where's the line go. It's kind of a puzzle problem. So it is right now the temporary fix that we have. That's a lot of line. It is outside of one of our emergency exits. We have a ramp, built by the mainstream to allow for, you know. Clear has gotten ready for it, but during the time of this construction, yeah, it's going to be important and advising. Are you going to use that particular exit? But there isn't another exit. [6:27] Speaker C (unidentified): If [6:33] Speaker A (unidentified): not, we'll call the vote. All those in favor. In favor, not a vote, which gets us to discussion. And then we have 2 discussion items that I think will roll over into all kinds of things. 1st, is job discussions. [6:57] Speaker G (unidentified): So, as we are working through. Through the amber to take on and try to accomplish last few weeks as you all 3 notice and updates to you. There are a bunch of things you've been working on around job descriptions payroll or payroll, but salaries and different things. So, some of the items are, we're going to try to expedite and this is more just a conversation to let, you know, so communications, we're looking at making some changes there based off the discussions that. the director had with amber over the last several months so what it looks like is bringing back the deputy director's job description to you so it already exists it's going to come with some changes when mary's stuff does not look like this going to change pay grades but i think our rules are they still going to come before you no matter what so any change at all has to still come before you so just making you aware that's coming also in contract negotiations with fop can't I should talk about what's there yet because we have finalized things to bring to you with all those tenant agreements, but in some of those discussions, there are some changes with job descriptions there. So, if you remember, we did move. DA's investigator into the F or into the sheriff's office and then in kind, this is now the opportunity in an opener to bring that into that. Also, we're looking at some potential changes around administrative position. Just because there are some things going on in other counties that have changed and. asked us to look at that sort of menace boss that job search may come for you just want to give you the heads up on that there's reasons behind it, so that if you do hear about it at some point. To be more expressed fast in this world, as you know, we argue these things, nothing in simple, yet once we get it all simplified between conversation with finance and myself and Amber, like I said, we're trying to get this thing just closed out before she is gone. Just makes it harder when we don't have administrator to get some of these things done. Signature authority is one thing, but actually decision making is a whole other thing. So that kind of gets us into the next discussion, if you want to move right into it, 's just really, it's just give you guys the heads up that it is coming. It's just probably a little faster than it was originally mentioned to you. [9:24] Speaker C (unidentified): So, to you covered the deputy director. Yep. And administrator. [9:31] Speaker G (unidentified): It's the administrative position, the DA's investigator position. [9:36] Speaker C (unidentified): Yeah, I figured that one out already. [9:38] Speaker G (unidentified): Well, you still have to see it. Oh. Because there are some changes. I mean, that one in particular, the others have been renewed a few times since, but it looks like the DA in particular has not been updated for 10 years. So, that one's a little more work anyway. The other two have been updated a couple times over the last 10-year period as well. I don't see any real changes budgetary wise for any of those, but it's helpful that we also are getting ready to go into a budget year. So if there are any changes, we can make that just part of the budget. [10:15] Speaker A (unidentified): Good. What's the next part of the discussion? Next part is the administrative coverage. [10:20] Speaker G (unidentified): So, one of the things that Kathy and I have been trying to meet on a regular basis, we have a lot more emails than we do necessarily face to face meetings. Well, yesterday we met face to face to discuss some matters with a couple of the positions throughout the county, job descriptions, things like that as well. 1 of the things that we were discussing, and before we get too far down the road with it is, trying to find coverage HR and or county administrative. So, one of the things that I think is a thing, and Kathy agreed just from what she can recall from how we do our processes is we may be able to do per diem employment for those two roles. The idea being that there are experts either in towns or in counties around us that may want a little extra or may want to help out. We can bring them out as per diem employees, similar to my per diem corrections or per diem law enforcement, you know, when needed, as needed. So that's kind of my proposal to you guys for the HR and potentially the administrative position here as well. I mean, there's a little research I'll have to do with legal, because I know that the CA is a unique thing in statute. It's not as easy as an HR manager for HR that we do easily enough CA. We may have to look at it differently, but, you know, my initial concept is, like I said, we have either retirees, or we have. Counties that are partners with us close by that their administrators may be willing to give us some extra guidance or help during certain periods of time to act as that administrator after the 30th. If we need it, so that's kind of the idea is just to give us somebody that can still give us that ability that we could still split function and use that person as needed in certain decision making more different things of that position and response. So, like, in lieu of an interim, right? So, yeah, it's, it's going to require a little discussion, but anyone go down that road yet would must you folks felt that was something worth exploring? I think it's a. A faster fix than trying to find an interim. I think an interim is just as we learned the last couple times it can be just as laborious trying to go through the vetting process to get that person just on as an interim, and would it make sense to look at hey we have people who are already employed by other places potentially that want to do kind of this per diem work and maybe just give them you know eight hours an hour whatever it is a week pay as a per diem if you will tell them, just fill in as we need. [13:01] Speaker C (unidentified): They'd also be very knowledgeable about the job. Kathy, do you have anything to offer? [13:08] Speaker F (unidentified): I think the, if we could find people, that would be a good fit. I agree. And we talked about yesterday. Would be a great stop gap while we're looking for the individuals, because to bring in someone that's from the, that hasn't done this type of work before. It's still a lot of work from management perspective to bring them up to speed to then not be here. It's almost easier to not have someone. [13:35] Speaker C (unidentified): It would be harder for you and Sheriff to do it, to bring them along. [13:40] Speaker H (unidentified): Yes. Yes. [13:43] Speaker A (unidentified): Question I have is the reason we can get an interim is partly because of the legal things that a county administrator needs to do and if we hire a per diem just simply as per diem to fill in some of the work that still doesn't give them the legal authority to do anything. [14:06] Speaker G (unidentified): Actually, that's why I want to have the questions with you and then Peter just to say what are the roadblocks or what are not the roadblocks that we can figure this out, question. [14:17] Speaker A (unidentified): Can we do an interim who is a per diem, you know, that's the way we pay them, we'll just hire them and appoint them as the pretty as the interim as a per diem so that they have that legal authority to do what a county administrator needs to do but they're only here 10 hours a week. I mean, is that sort of, that is something that's two things, because if we just hire somebody to be the county administrator without giving them authority, then I don't know that we've moved ahead or want somebody who we give the authority as our employee to sign contracts and not everything has to come to us or at least move in that direction. But I mean, I think I think that's certainly what we wanted, even in an interim, even if we wanted a full time interim, we would want somebody who had that experience. That's why it's so hard to find in interim sometimes, but it may be possible by doing it as per diem instead of being a full time job or 30 hour a week job, whatever it is. It's a lot easier for somebody to say yes. Whether it's a somebody on another county, because we know all the other counties who have county administrators, we know they all have a lot of spare time. I mean, as much as that's what we'd like to do. I don't know that any county administrator probably has a lot of spare time to take on a job like this. [15:42] Speaker G (unidentified): Some are clerks because some counties didn't go with an administrator. Right? Yeah, so there may be that opportunity, or maybe there's a retiree that's eight hours a week or something. [15:53] Speaker A (unidentified): Right. That's it. But I mean, that's the same pool that we get a regular interim. [15:58] Speaker G (unidentified): And I think in the past we've looked at it as we wanted that to be full time. Yeah, that was the challenge. [16:05] Speaker A (unidentified): But that means then that the two of you aren't relieved of a lot of the duties that you're currently doing or looking at doing. We're going to keep you doing it, but give you a little bit more support. [16:17] Speaker G (unidentified): As we talk about it. Yes, it's extra work, but. Extra work with the knowledge, it's already. bringing in a, or bringing somebody that already has a job somewhere else just for a few hours. It helps. It relieves that part that we don't have to do, but it also helps us stay compliant with what we talked about. Because, you know, we still have a CA now. We won't have one on the 31st. So how do we meet that challenge to allow Kathy and I to still do that stuff, but have that person available to finalize things. So that's really how the discussion started. How do we get to that point of still having that person to finalize stuff? Maybe, you know, they have to trust that we're making good decisions and doing all the due diligence we're supposed to, but just there to be that signature authority. So that's why we came up with the kind of the concept. The interim, whichever word I guess it's a matter of what legal says is we can do it. I didn't want to start having him work on that without you guys having done it. [17:23] Speaker D (unidentified): I think it's an interesting idea and depending on what legal says you know I think it's actually a good one if it's a viable solution and you know as far as Peter's concerned I think he'll probably ask this too but I'd be curious to know exactly what the scope of work would be for this person for those you know eight to ten hours and I don't know if that's something that you already thought about what that would look like but that might be also helpful for Peter to [17:53] Speaker H (unidentified): have a sense of what the activities would be more of that so I've had some thoughts I mean part of [18:00] Speaker G (unidentified): his signatures and you know some of the town stuff like town clerk has to give out reports different things there are some of those things that have to be done by the county administrator right now, like, we're doing these cabinet are shepherding a lot of that and then what needs to be done by Amber is getting folded to her. And so that's helping you. It's held it up next. So that's going to go away at the end. Sorry how long does that how long can it be delayed before it starts packing in the [18:31] Speaker D (unidentified): I'm sorry. [18:33] Speaker C (unidentified): I agree with Martin. I think it's a good idea. Find somebody that you don't have to teach and can help out right away, short term, while we sort of get a better sense of where we're headed looking for an administrator. [18:54] Speaker A (unidentified): I think one problem is no matter who you hire, they can be a county administrator someplace themselves they're still going to have to learn because every county is different we have different it's as simple as oh we've got a different jail than anybody else in the state has we've got a different you know we have an airport we have a whole bunch of things that are different here that are in other counties no matter how much experience they have there's some learning that has to go on and the Question is, and I guess to your point is, what does this person need to do that may not need learning, that there are standard things that everybody has to do that we would like this person to be doing? I don't know. I think the other problem I have, or not a problem, I think it's a great idea, I think we have to go that direction, is we haven't discussed hiring a new administrator, so we don't, we don't know what the time frame is here. You know, we're talking about somebody who's just going to fill until the end of the year, we're going to hire somebody. The reason to do it as a per diem is because if they don't work out, we just don't invite them back the next week. [20:07] Speaker G (unidentified): Right. Or they say, hey, I'm busy this week, I can't do anything. [20:11] Speaker A (unidentified): Everybody can next week. So it's not like what we've done with other interns where there was a contract. So, at least just by the day, thank you very much. Goodbye. But I still think we need to figure out what our timeframe is in terms of how we're going to try to hire a new administrator. And I think that was hand in hand. I think the idea is great. We should be pursuing that, but I think we also want to give this person an idea how long a period of time we're looking at. As we run through this process, and [20:49] Speaker C (unidentified): give them that idea that we don't know yet, right, as it develops, you know, it's a natural [20:56] Speaker D (unidentified): in the hopefully short term, if we don't have someone by November 1st, which will probably be a challenge too, but maybe is, can the commission, I mean, I know you don't want to be having special meetings every day for us, but is that a rule that the commission can fill in the interim until we find a, I believe it is, so there we, when we work through this the last time [21:30] Speaker G (unidentified): happened Andrew Hart left us, there was a period we had nobody and legal did assist us in figuring out a way somehow, I think I don't remember exactly how it was, but the chair and I shared certain things just to make sure that we kept that separation of power, again that's part of my concern is, you know, I just don't want the perception that we're giving too much power to a position we shouldn't, I'm not saying we are, but just being careful of that, and I said, and he was heavily involved that conversation last time. So I'm sure he still has all that, and we just don't want to do it for a very long period. And that's just, you know, having seen what we've been through before sequence going on in other counties, because we're not doing what we want. You know, in Scotland, in particular, I think I mentioned to folks before, but their sheriff was the acting administrator six different times in two years, I think. Just, it's a struggle to find folks to fill this role in today's day and age. And sometimes it's the workload. Like, we talked about before, sometimes it's the, are we getting enough compensation package for what we're asking them to do that? As long as we're being fair, I think it'll make it a little easier to find that replacement. But until then, what do we do? So, I think there is that's part of what I do. If I had this conversation, he's like, absolutely not. You can only do either. They're your employee or they aren't. And then when we have to revisit how that works, and I could bring that back to because I didn't want to say occurs expense and I didn't want to incur that expense without a conversation. [23:08] Speaker D (unidentified): Yeah, if it seems like after that conversation, if it seems like we need to, we need to meet with Peter, then I think we have some meetings on the calendar on the polling is just in case. So it is that time. [23:25] Speaker A (unidentified): Well, I would say you should be exploring this with Peter. Find out what we can get from, you know, whether this needs to be as an interim whatever it is whether they need to be an official employee or we can hire them on a short-term basis like that they have short a short-term per diem is [23:45] Speaker G (unidentified): really a short term oh so i have some per diems that i've had for years yeah it's that as native landing specifically as we do for me it's mostly to relieve mandates because if nobody works the To shift voluntarily, the ultimate solution is with somebody to be told to work it and for the pool in order to mandate, even if it's simple as. [24:09] Speaker A (unidentified): Giving you a Kathy a day off that there's somebody that they can call. While you guys are gone, you know, that would be a. [Speaker H (unidentified): A benefit,. But] You should move ahead in that direction. Find out what legally we need an administrator to do that we can't do. We've been through this before, but we'd like a sharper edge on it now. And then I think we have to figure out how we hire somebody. Do we have a job description in hand? I think we do from the last time we did this. Do we want to start by advertising this locally or through main municipal? Or do we want to hire a search firm? You know, we don't have a lot of advice on what direction to go. And maybe, before we need again, we try to sit down and figure out. What we do have in hand and maybe work with marketing and developing the list of places to. Send the application package to see what we do have in hand for a application package. And do we want to do it ourselves or do we want to have a committee. Of the, you know, we've done this before, but we had a committee that included another county's administrator, an employee, a commissioner. Put together a committee to do it. What do we want to do it as a group? Good question you have it, you know, and I'm not saying we need to have the answer now. We're going to say, let's think about it. 2 thirds of different commission than the last time. So, right. [26:04] Speaker C (unidentified): You know, only [26:12] Speaker D (unidentified): the topic for. [26:14] Speaker H (unidentified): Our next meeting, I'm just, I'm just putting these. Yeah, I guess that'll be the question. Just a schedule. Do you want to be part of the regular commission meeting or do you want it to be the next whole meeting? Yeah, because I think it's the week later. Our regular is this Tuesday and we have a lot on that agenda. [26:33] Speaker G (unidentified): Not that I'm aware of. Yes, we apply match. [26:36] Speaker A (unidentified): Actually, next meeting of the main is main county commissioners association. Andre cushion would like to address on Tuesday specific [27:00] Speaker G (unidentified): time for him at the beginning of the meeting at the beginning of your meeting. [27:03] Speaker D (unidentified): I would, you know, if we can, I would like to have a conversation on Tuesday. Yeah,. [27:13] Speaker G (unidentified): Want me to see if here's available for some executive guidance as well or. [27:19] Speaker C (unidentified): Or do you just want to discuss it? Why don't you? Why don't you do your initial exploration? Find out. What's allowable because I like to redeem my idea. Get something particularly basically can provide information you. Heather, you may not have an assistance, but I don't think we need to go down the. the rabbit hole of finding a temporary person less reactive so [27:54] Speaker E (unidentified): in the forenext meeting [27:56] Speaker A (unidentified): If we could have somebody find out what we have for an application packet in hand, you know, and if we needed, we can take a look at it and see if we need to add anything, to take things away from it. We're not HR people, so we don't necessarily know what that should look like, but I think we can lean on you and other people in the county to help us do with that. [28:22] Speaker G (unidentified): And then her name, HR will be pretty easy, and I know we can do this just like every other essentially, you know, worker position we have. So I think that role will probably be able to get, I mean, we already have a contractor that we're working with, but having anybody per diem again, somebody who's knowledgeable in the area that's close by, you know, they can then dedicate that time. Nothing wrong with consultants, but yeah, the one we have has a lot of places that they work for and finding [28:52] Speaker A (unidentified): time can get premium, so that should be a lot easier because there are no legal, I mean, within HR there are legal rules about what they have to do and what they have to follow, but it's not [29:04] Speaker G (unidentified): that chart so chartered, but it's also not a decision-making authority, but typically it's the CDA heads, so yeah, so they're more of just the guide, which makes it a lot easier. So that's mostly just to help us stay in compliance with something like the I-9s for hiring, yeah. [29:21] Speaker A (unidentified): Wanting the application package, I'm talking not just for the DM [29:31] Speaker G (unidentified): months, that's something we have to have the HR if we get any major for being back up, yes. [29:37] Speaker H (unidentified): We can't afford to put it on too long. The other thing, question I have is what was the [29:46] Speaker D (unidentified): process that we used last time? Did we, did we hire a recruiter? Did we do it on our own? What did that [29:55] Speaker H (unidentified): look like? I don't know, but I'm sure there's a record of that. Yeah, so I don't recall hiring an interim, see any of that instrument and then find out what his process was, do [30:17] Speaker C (unidentified): you have ideas about who you may be interested [30:26] Speaker G (unidentified): So that can happen sooner than later. Yes. No, HR is a little easier. I've reached out to a few of my county contacts to try to see, you know, whether any of them are interested themselves, or at least points in the direction of people with similar skill sets. I'm not getting a lot of response on that yet, but on HR side, we have had some response and then that might be more important because that's the need we need right now. [30:51] Speaker C (unidentified): So, I have to see how you do anything to add. [31:10] Speaker F (unidentified): I do not have [31:17] Speaker A (unidentified): Discussions. I think I think we have to sit down and figure out what kind of process we would like. How involved we want to be versus how I mean, we have the final hiring authority. And in some cases, what they do is they hire a consultant who gets all the applications and looks through the world and gives us 3 or 4. Or whatever number it is size and in some cases we've put together a committee. And they're the ones who come up with the couple of the names. But then it goes to the commission. So, it's wide open, there's so many different ways to do it. [32:00] Speaker G (unidentified): What we want to do yes, I agree with that. It's really, I don't know if it's going to change the one way or the other. I don't think the process will necessarily change the pool of applicants, but back to the compensation piece that most people would want to know what we're offering, I think. And that's also something I think for you to think about to give us guidance on is advertising that as part of that will help. Change that right? [32:31] Speaker A (unidentified): Do we want to start with I think last time we started with just in me. Made in an attempt to see if we could find somebody locally who had some knowledge and that didn't yield a lot of good candidates. So nationally, and that didn't yield a lot of good candidates. Right? [32:48] Speaker G (unidentified): Well, so some of those candidates asked for things like, you know, you could see the corporate moving allowance, all those things. Things and again, that's, you know, it's really up to the 3 of you to decide that, would like to accept that. So we're fortunate the last time we have the best candidate already. [33:10] Speaker A (unidentified): Yes, and that does bring up if we don't find a good candidate. [33:19] Speaker G (unidentified): What do we do then after, you know, 3 months of searching and then, like I said, we've been down this road before. Well I'll engage Peter on all those things again I'll have them dust off the book and we'll talk through it and we'll bring that back to you I'll have to wait until we [33:36] Speaker C (unidentified): Find a candidate that we should hire sometimes it's a tough situation we can't afford to not hire somebody we're all very confident you [33:54] Speaker A (unidentified): Know the discussion on this any other discussion on the real thing that we came for which was what was it was administrative coverage but we feel that we have enough administrative coverage at [34:10] Speaker G (unidentified): The moment so you get it for me, I think there's enough coverage. It's like I said, at the end of the month it's going to be where does that, this final decision making land, and that's really what this discussion was to be, is what route do you want us to go. I think, you know, just off what we've learned in the past, is going to be a challenge, and just trying to get ahead of that challenge I [34:36] Speaker A (unidentified): pointed out the other day, our charter gives final authority or responsibility to everything to the county commission. That doesn't mean that there aren't jobs that we want the county administrator to do so that we don't have to do them, but it comes down to we have to meet more frequently to make some of those decisions, and that's what we have to do, even if it's only [35:04] Speaker G (unidentified): Only marginally, you know, even if it's only marginally legal, we still fall back on it's our responsibility. So that part of statute, you're never going to be able to get away from it. So, no matter why you put in your charter, you move 3 on bodies. [35:21] Speaker A (unidentified): Oh, you know, in the response, I mean, I couldn't show me does gear the party to the county administrator, and when you're taking away that authority by doing it, we're just making sure that it gets done well, right, you delegate it, you know, you can, you can [35:36] Speaker G (unidentified): take it back after development. I believe that's what Peter had mentioned last time, so you can't [35:41] Speaker A (unidentified): do it if we have a city administrator, we don't have the city of Australia. So my point just being that we may have to meet to make those decisions. [35:55] Speaker G (unidentified): Yeah, I'll get all that info and bring it back in the next meeting. [36:00] Speaker A (unidentified): Okay, sooner than later, thank you both. Give me happy for the doing the work that you've done so far, and knowing that it's just going to keep growing as we go through the season. [36:12] Speaker G (unidentified): Yeah, I'm a fan of delegation. Like I said, I have a great team personally. Kathy's off the smaller personnel than mine, but I think we're sharing a well load pretty well, and our heads all the way through, doing so, that's the real key for us, everybody knows what they're doing, is just having that final authority or decision, okay. [36:32] Speaker A (unidentified): Anything else, our [36:36] Speaker C (unidentified): next meeting is Tuesday, correct? [36:38] Speaker G (unidentified): Yes, Monday is a holiday, another three of you or your goal here necessarily, but the staff [36:45] Speaker H (unidentified): here says Monday's a holiday, so only one more working day, right, yeah, okay, got it. [36:56] Speaker D (unidentified): So we'll do what we can on Tuesday, but if we don't, we're not able to do all the things we talked about today, we will need again. [37:04] Speaker C (unidentified): Yes, we'll need to try and get some stuff done. So if not, we'll be again. [37:10] Speaker G (unidentified): But we have one week scheduled. Well, hell, but not necessarily scheduled. We're only scheduling things like today's agenda, trying to get it done sooner than later, especially with cold weather nipping at us. So [37:24] Speaker A (unidentified): Thank you all for coming. Anything else? I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. It's been moved and seconded. Again, our next meeting is Tuesday at two, the standard meeting. And if there's nothing else, I'll call the vote. All those in favor