Limerick Select Board Advances Budget, Pickleball Court, and Road Ordinance

[38:49] Select Board Chair: That's it. Okay. Good evening. We will report a slight one. We'll now go into an executive session at five o'clock pursuant to one MRSA section 405 6a for personnel matters. You should be back about six o'clock. I [39:14] Speaker B (unidentified): make a motion to enter into executive session. Okay. [39:16] Select Board Chair: Second. Second. Moved and seconded. All those in favor? Okay. We're back. Can I have a motion to come out of executive session? So moved. Second. All those in favor? Okay. We're going to take about a 10-minute break. Then we'll start with our workshop. [1:48:48] Speaker C (unidentified): She made copies for you guys of the one that I made all kinds of notes on. We [1:49:03] Select Board Chair: were back online at 10 past 6. We're going to be in the workshop session until 7 o'clock. [1:49:11] Speaker D (unidentified): 6 50. Whatever. [1:49:21] Speaker B (unidentified): A round of sassain. Let's get into it. [1:49:28] Speaker C (unidentified): So, I added in, the 3.6 COLA because it's estimated to be 3.5, 3.6 this year. Obviously we won't know for sure the [Speaker E (unidentified): for] the assessing clerk and we're gonna have to talk to Stan too because I think between the hours with for the assessing clerk and the hours for CEO secretary I don't know if we need to put it to a town vote or whatever to make it uniform on this floor that all offices are open from these hours from this you know from this time to this time Monday through Friday whatever because from what I understand there are a lot of residents that are coming in looking for somebody in the assessor's office or the CEO's office and there's nobody there and I think that's because hours are shifting and adjusting. Because Stan does start early. He does. He gets a lot done early in the mornings. Which I, which I understand. And, but I think part of those hours being for select board, they do need to be open at least the same hours as select board offices. [1:51:29] Speaker F (unidentified): Does that make sense? It does. It would kind of establish a normal business hours for the public? [1:51:38] Speaker C (unidentified): For the municipal offices. Yes. You're [1:51:45] Select Board Chair: saying going to the 17 hours, you're going 40? [1:51:51] Speaker C (unidentified): Well, no, I'm saying between the hours, because right now, our assessing clerk is the same person as the CEO secretary, so the hours are split. [1:52:04] Select Board Chair: Why don't you just have it under one title instead of having two? Yeah. [1:52:13] Speaker B (unidentified): Because it's two separate departments and positions, technically. [1:52:18] Speaker C (unidentified): Because she does work with the assessors. She does answer questions on assessing and things like that. But I think, I'm just saying, you know, we may need to address that at some point to make sure that, you know, if the hours are coming up to, you know, almost 40 a week or 37 a week, then we need to look at the hours that they're the offices open to the public. Because if they're only open until only there until 1 o'clock in the afternoon or 2 o'clock in the afternoon depending on the day, it's really hard for residents to because they can't come in at 6 in the morning, they can't come in at 7. They can't walk in this building until 9 a.m. So [1:53:14] Select Board Chair: What are you saying? Something like 9 to 4? Daily? Monday to Friday? [1:53:19] Speaker C (unidentified): Well, even if we went 8 to 4, you know, with the offices opening at 9, whatever. I'm just saying, I'm just throwing that out there. This is something that has come up and something that I was looking at when I was doing the budgets is, okay, you know, we're only doing a certain amount of hours, but we need to make sure that these hours are being addressed and used properly if that makes does that make sense. [1:53:50] Speaker B (unidentified): It does yeah but [1:54:00] Speaker C (unidentified): Anyway so I went through and I did I did the numbers I kept you know as far as office supplies and maps or the supplies I kept those the same because they seem to be in line so far this year. If not, because I didn't write on this one where they were at, provided, you know, provided things are being done in the books and credited or debited properly, you know, 60% and 69%. The 60% is going to be under or slightly under. So I, looked at it and said well maybe that should just stay the same and the others were just yeah everything you know I kept it the same across the board because I haven't heard that there's going to be any increase with O'Donnell's. [1:55:39] Speaker B (unidentified): I'm wondering if they wait till after tax bills to print the maps and that's That's why this, never mind, my math was wrong. Didn't [1:55:56] Select Board Chair: You say we're going to hold the Donald's, that figure at 35,000 this year? [1:56:02] Speaker C (unidentified): Yeah, we haven't gotten anything saying that the rate's going to change. [1:56:12] Speaker B (unidentified): We're what, closing in on 75% of this year completed, right? Correct. Did we over budget for FICA and Medicaid? We may have. With the. Medicare, sorry. I [1:56:43] Speaker C (unidentified): Mean the pay isn't even it looks like it's over because right now even the payroll portion of it is only at 50% yeah but I think if we move to a stable hours available to the public that office will be open more and those hours would get used. Mm-hmm. [1:57:12] Select Board Chair: So we're going to see an increase. [1:57:21] Speaker C (unidentified): No, because right now they're not using that all the time. I mean, right now it's 40, oh, no, I'm looking at 49% of the budget is used. We're three, we're 75%. [1:57:47] Select Board Chair: What sheet are you looking at? What's the date? Oh, 9-15. [1:57:51] Speaker C (unidentified): I was looking at last week's. [1:57:54] Speaker B (unidentified): I'm seeing the same numbers. You've [1:57:58] Select Board Chair: got 921, you've got 922. So they're buying 53% spent. [1:58:15] Speaker C (unidentified): All right, so I have to balance between these. No, 49.43 at [1:58:29] Speaker G (unidentified): 921. On page three. [1:58:32] Select Board Chair: You look at the expense summary? [1:58:34] Speaker C (unidentified): Yep. Yes, page three. Assessing. Under assessing. So [1:58:43] Select Board Chair: assessing says on page two. You got a different one than we have. [1:58:51] Speaker B (unidentified): Have a different one on a different date. I don't know why she brought them all in the same time. [1:59:01] Speaker C (unidentified): Oh, is he looking at a different one here, Howard? This one, let me give you mine that says 923. She just handed in me just a few minutes ago. [1:59:17] Select Board Chair: Yeah, it's a different date, so I don't know if this is after she entered the stuff or what. [1:59:24] Speaker G (unidentified): I printed the one from yesterday's date. [1:59:29] Speaker B (unidentified): Did she just give that to you now, Howard? [1:59:31] Select Board Chair: Yeah, there was some other ones. [1:59:33] Speaker C (unidentified): So that may have, so yours may have today's payroll included, or the payroll run for today, where the rest of ours don't. [1:59:43] Speaker G (unidentified): But I only got the one from the 21st, because that's what she emailed to us, so that's what I printed. [1:59:50] Speaker C (unidentified): Did so that's the one that everybody else is going all right so let's go off the one that everybody else has okay which [2:00:01] Speaker G (unidentified): is the 21st because that's the one I predicted. [2:00:03] Select Board Chair: All right, so I would, you know, the most annoying part of these reports, if you take a look at that, why do we have to have, I've asked Julie this a number of times why we have to have the same number listed in the, you take, for instance, assessing, it says payroll or personnel services, [2:00:49] Speaker D (unidentified): and then we get pay. Because it's broken down. Yeah, because if you look at professional, [2:00:54] Speaker B (unidentified): that line says 40,175, but assessing is 35 of that, and I understand what you're saying, but it's because it's broken down into subcategories of the subcategory. Yes. [2:01:10] Speaker C (unidentified): So, really I would, I would recommend that we do the COLA increase. And then just keep the other things the same because everything else seems to be in line with the costs. Nobody's come to us to say any of the costs are going to be increasing this year. Because O'Donnell's contracted, I mean it's- [2:01:40] Select Board Chair: Okay, but for the assessing clerk, what are we talking for hours? [2:01:46] Speaker C (unidentified): Keeping it the same hours as budgeted before. 17 hours. Yep. [2:01:52] Select Board Chair: Isn't she, 's here anyways, she's already in the office, so. [Speaker C (unidentified): Right, but what's.] For, with Stan, she's already there. [2:02:01] Speaker B (unidentified): But for only a certain amount of hours per week. Right. She spends her time. [2:02:04] Select Board Chair: Right. So what's the, what's the other one that she's designated under? [2:02:08] Speaker B (unidentified): That, we don't have that. [2:02:10] Speaker C (unidentified): We don't have that budget because that's Stan. That would be coming from Stan. That's under the. That would be coming from Stan. Code enforcement. But I think if we keep the hours the same, that would put it in line with keeping that office open when the municipal offices are open. So on stands? [2:03:08] Speaker B (unidentified): It's also seven, I mean last year it was also 17 hours for the code enforcement secretary. Yep. Per week. 34 a week. [2:03:46] Select Board Chair: So are we under the assumption that we're just doing colder increases and that's it? Just here? Yes. I [2:04:03] Speaker C (unidentified): mean, on this one, it's town ordinance, town voted on it. It's the required increase. [2:04:20] Select Board Chair: Okay, so what we got next? [2:04:23] Speaker D (unidentified): Are we, can I? [2:04:24] Speaker B (unidentified): Yeah, I'm fine with that. [2:04:26] Speaker H (unidentified): Okay, yes. [2:04:30] Speaker G (unidentified): Well, an agreement, I think, to make sure, if you guys are all in agreement, the 1980s numbers can put that in the budget [2:04:43] Speaker C (unidentified): Yeah, and then we can all, and then at some point we'll all have to vote to recommend. All right, so the next one that we have is for earned paid leave for all departments, but I don't believe we can do this until we have all have the information for the rollover amount and new budgets. Correct. So that one's got to be put on hold Because until we know what is left over and going to rule. Can we skip number three for now? And number four, this one is information that we're going to need from Julie because we don't know. She's the one that knows what the insurance is going to cost. So we won't know what all of these are going to be until- We get that info. Right. Same thing with number five for the main PERS. [2:06:01] Speaker B (unidentified): And how long do we have to wait for this info? Like is it an end-of-year report? Is it a... [2:06:07] Speaker C (unidentified): I think, I would imagine that, and we can ask her tonight at the meeting, when she expects to have numbers for insurance, that kind of thing, health insurance, liability insurance,, all those insurances that. Yeah. So then we're on to number six. Which I mean the general liability again we're going to need from Julie. Legal services. I hate to do it but I bumped it up by 10,000. Just because of what this year has been like. And going into next year. We are... Huh? [2:07:13] Select Board Chair: Can I get the right sheets here? Mine don't correspond with yours, Lori. Number six. I think it's thrown at me here. [2:07:27] Speaker B (unidentified): Why don't you get a fancy binder? Okay. I was going to be mad. [2:07:33] Select Board Chair: Just do your thing and call it quits. [2:07:38] Speaker G (unidentified): So we're on number six? Yeah. [2:07:42] Speaker C (unidentified): I did increase the legal fees 10,000 because, you know, we've got residents that are constantly challenging us and demanding we go to the attorneys and yeah so I don't want to be under, I don't want to underestimate that one. I mean, it just [2:08:10] Select Board Chair: I [2:08:12] Speaker F (unidentified): don't disagree. The time the voters see it in March they'll understand a lot better than they would right now even. [2:08:24] Speaker C (unidentified): Yeah but granted we are only at 79 percent this year but I also know that I afforded two legal bills from Bernstein Shore from the public hearing that I do not believe have been paid yet so [Speaker D (unidentified): no] I haven't and there's been two now so obviously that's going to go up and I didn't even, I didn't even look at the bills. I forwarded them straight to Julie as soon as they came in my email. I'm pretty sure. Did I CC the board? [2:09:09] Speaker B (unidentified): The whole board? I got one. I know I got one at least. Okay. [2:09:15] Speaker H (unidentified): And there was one last month. [2:09:38] Speaker C (unidentified): You know, the other thing that concerns me is when we're looking at this account to do our budget we have a year-to-date budget adjustment of negative seven thousand right off the bat which kind of throws that whole category off a little bit even though it is down in pay core it's down as a negative thirty [2:10:15] Speaker D (unidentified): two thousand thirty two thousand ninety so why are we just [2:10:18] Speaker C (unidentified): going to thirty five? Oh yeah you're right because I was looking at last year's number that said 25. [2:10:24] Speaker D (unidentified): Five well we budgeted 41.4 last year yeah [2:10:31] Speaker B (unidentified): That 25 does seem low I think we yeah there was a number of 40 000 and there's 40 41.4 so [2:10:42] Speaker C (unidentified): Do we want to bump that up to 45? Jesus I don't want to but I don't, I don't know what to do at this point because we're not, we're not tucking tail and running every time somebody wants to threaten us with legal action now. We're actually getting. [2:11:08] Select Board Chair: Surely they're going to realize that the neighbors are paying for all this. You [2:11:19] Speaker C (unidentified): know and I try getting a hold of MMA when I can to avoid going through the paid services. But they do keep it very general. They do not want to put anything in writing. They do not want to. [2:11:33] Select Board Chair: Right. If you do something, now we've got to go to the town's attorney and there's always a conflict. Even though they're free, sometimes I think you're better off not even calling [2:11:52] Speaker C (unidentified): them. I've had MMA give me conflicting information. I have too. And I, and that makes me really uncomfortable because they're not going to represent us. [2:12:03] Select Board Chair: So the case is why do you call them, you know? [2:12:07] Speaker C (unidentified): Because we still want to try to get it without an additional cost. But if they're not going to give us a clear answer, we don't have any choice but to contact the paid attorney. So what do we want to do on this for legal fees? Do we want to put it at 45? [2:12:26] Select Board Chair: That's what I was just thinking. [2:12:28] Speaker F (unidentified): We're at 41.4. [2:12:32] Speaker C (unidentified): We've spent almost 33. Three, well, 35, 36, depending on what outstanding bills there are. What do you guys think down there? [2:12:53] Speaker H (unidentified): 40. I think we have to, I mean, drop it down to 40. [2:13:01] Select Board Chair: Basically, we've already spent 45. I'd say 45. [2:13:17] Speaker C (unidentified): FMLA, obviously that's something I think that we need to get from Julie. Is there a way we could, what is [2:13:29] Speaker B (unidentified): there a way we could keep it at a lower amount and then for the June warrant if we need to or the November warrant, just so we've had to raise a few things this year and taxes are [2:13:47] Speaker H (unidentified): I don't want them. Yeah, so I know I've gone through, I have gone through on here on some places and really lowered it too. Okay, I just don't want to up everything. I think we'll have to go [2:13:59] Select Board Chair: through this and then we'll look at the big picture at the end and say, okay, we got to go back [2:14:04] Speaker B (unidentified): and make some cuts, just because we haven't even seen the department's ones yet. So, right, I know we're going to be like, we're going to be under on some of the budgets this year, but we [2:14:19] Select Board Chair: and the department's going to be mindful, we've got to save money here. Yep. Yeah. [Speaker D (unidentified): So what's] going on outside there? We were just talking, just simple fuel oil and everything. Well, the more that goes up, the less money they're going to have to pay their taxes, and we've got to take that obviously into consideration. We just, everybody's going to be taxed to death here. Yeah, but I kept [2:14:47] Speaker C (unidentified): trio the same and then the auditor, that one's a contracted price, so we already know we're looking [2:14:58] Speaker B (unidentified): at 26.4 for 27. Do we have a, is there that clause in the contract that I just thought of it, when the clause in the contract where if the voters deny this, we don't have to stay in the contract? Remember Stephanie asked last year at the budget, I can't remember the exact wording. We have it in our town contracts that if for some reason it's not budget, doesn't pass, we can't, we obviously can't fulfill our end of the agreement. That's on some contract with stuff like some project or something we're doing. No, I think that's in the majority of like plowing, mowing, [2:15:40] Select Board Chair: sidewalks. Yeah, but as far as the auditing services, I don't know. That's a constant. [2:15:48] Speaker B (unidentified): I agree. It's a constant and it's something we have to have, but we also need to have the voters approve the money. Yeah. I, it was just something that came up. We can't, I mean, we can't put it in, but. [2:16:00] Select Board Chair: It's a, it's a constant because we know we got to have an audit. Yeah. Because we're not operating on us well. Technically we are right now. [2:16:09] Speaker C (unidentified): Do we know when the, never mind, that's a meeting discussion topic. [2:16:13] Select Board Chair: I've got a call into them. [2:16:14] Speaker C (unidentified): Okay. And then I added in PayCore based on what the contract price is for the year. [2:16:22] Speaker B (unidentified): Is that what that TRIO payroll is? [2:16:26] Speaker C (unidentified): No, that's what PayCore is. TRIO payroll, I think, is just tracking in TRIO. [2:16:32] Speaker B (unidentified): For 10 grand? You need to start a software company. [2:16:40] Select Board Chair: Yeah, why, what's that entail? I mean, just, transfer, just to transfer the money through it? [2:16:50] Speaker B (unidentified): Where is MRI somewhere else? Because we budgeted for it last year. [2:16:54] Speaker C (unidentified): MRI was, I saw it on the sheet, sorry, and we were over already. No. Yes. Oh yeah, it's, it's, it is, it's on the expense summary, it's, but it's not on here. It's on page two under legal professional, computer MRI. Nothing was put in for a budget for last year. So we really don't know how overspent we are. But we know we're not going to have MRI next year, hopefully. And at this point, hopefully nothing will be going out to [2:17:58] Select Board Chair: technically right now, that, MRI should be showing a deficit. Mm-hmm. It is. Okay. [2:18:09] Speaker C (unidentified): Right. But the entire balance is showing as a deficit, not... Did [2:18:33] Select Board Chair: you say you found it in the green sheet, MRI? You didn't? No. I did not. Was it included in something else? [2:18:46] Speaker B (unidentified): Was it changed at the special time? No. No, it wasn't. I was going to say, was it changed at the special time meeting? [2:18:52] Speaker C (unidentified): It might have been because the contract was entered into it in the... [2:18:54] Speaker H (unidentified): It would have showed a budget adjustment. Yeah, it would have. Well, as long as it was entered in. [2:19:07] Speaker E (unidentified): So anyways, and [2:19:19] Speaker C (unidentified): obviously we're not going to budget anything for MRI, but pick where I just put in what the annual contracted price was. GREG BRUDNICKI No, [2:19:39] Select Board Chair: I think if TRIO or anything were going up, right? JENNA HALIGAS Correct. GREG BRUDNICKI I wonder, I hate to say this, but I wonder if we should call and see if they anticipate an increase. [2:20:02] Speaker C (unidentified): I don't want to encourage it, but. I mean, I would imagine that too would be something that Julie would be aware of. Should be. [2:20:16] Speaker F (unidentified): Well, that's something that, I mean, we entered that agreement, we're not that far into that agreement with pay call. [2:20:27] Select Board Chair: Yeah, but that's got nothing to do with TRIO. [2:20:29] Speaker F (unidentified): Right. No, not TRIO, no. [2:20:33] Speaker C (unidentified): I mean, TRIO, that's just the monthly cost. Yeah. Yeah. By 12, for next year. [2:20:40] Select Board Chair: But otherwise, jeez, we're paying $5,500. I guess we can ask Julie when she comes in. [2:21:16] Speaker C (unidentified): So are those ones that you want me to add to the list for Julie? Yep. Okay, are we on to number seven? So number seven, this one really confused me because we have used $0 of that budget. [2:21:42] Select Board Chair: It, that's because for the outlying cemeteries, yes, that's for not the cemeteries here. Those are for like the ones in the woods that have the veterans in them. We definitely spent money out of that. I believe that he bought, we bought, I believe he bought some tools. Yeah, he went out. [2:22:01] Speaker H (unidentified): Yeah, how are you? Yes. Yeah, there's been money spent out of this. Okay, so do we want to keep that one? [2:22:08] Speaker C (unidentified): The same, I [2:22:13] Speaker B (unidentified): think so, like he was just buying tools to get them trimmed down this year, and then the [2:22:18] Select Board Chair: plan wasn't, it's something that we need to do annually because by state law was all those outlying ones that had, especially if they have veterans, we're supposed to take care of them. Yeah. [2:22:29] Speaker C (unidentified): That makes sense. I was just confused why we hadn't used anything to date out of it. [2:22:35] Select Board Chair: Maybe what he bought, he maybe what he bought to use, he paid for himself. No, he, because we had to [2:22:40] Speaker B (unidentified): approve it at a select meeting. GREG BRUDNICKI No, there wasn't an amount. GREG BRUDNICKI There wasn't an amount? GREG BRUDNICKI Yeah. We approved him to spend up to a certain amount at Ace Hardware to get. GREG BRUDNICKI There wasn't that much money. GREG BRUDNICKI I think it was like 500 bucks. [2:22:53] Speaker C (unidentified): JAN SMITH Okay. So do we leave that one the same at 520? [2:22:58] Speaker B (unidentified): GREG BRUDNICKI I think so. JAN SMITH Okay. GREG [2:23:12] Select Board Chair: BRUDNICKI So we move on to eight. JAN SMITH I'm [2:23:23] Speaker C (unidentified): not sure why the, why the municipal building has mileage. There's $1,200 budgeted for the municipal building for mileage and tolls. [2:23:38] Select Board Chair: I don't know why. I mean, maybe the mileage is if he needs to run down and get some cleaning supplies or something at the hardware store. GREG BRUDNICKI That should be under the custodial. [2:23:49] Speaker C (unidentified): JENNA HALIGAS Yeah, that would be under custodian. GREG BRUDNICKI [2:23:58] Select Board Chair: Every department would have their own. [2:24:01] Speaker D (unidentified): JENNA HALIGAS Yep. GREG [2:24:04] Speaker C (unidentified): BRUDNICKI We can cut that one. Can we put that one at zero? Is it used out of it? Yeah. No, nothing's been used. [2:24:12] Select Board Chair: Good one, put that one. [2:24:20] Speaker C (unidentified): Supplies? We have already used, as of 9-15, we had already used 27-08. Last year's budget was 26. My suggestion is 35 for next year because prices are going up. And we can't not have supplies, and I'm almost feeling like with hang on let [2:24:48] Speaker D (unidentified): me look at today's. Which page you want on the expense report, Laurie? It is on hang on, Department 30 so it's oh it [2:25:03] Speaker C (unidentified): starts on page 12. I mean we've already used 104 percent for [2:25:19] Speaker F (unidentified): supplies. And we know supplies are going to go up because it costs to get the material to us. Yep. [2:25:33] Speaker C (unidentified): I mean that one I'm almost looking at where it's at. I think we should probably go up to four on that one. [2:25:53] Speaker B (unidentified): Yeah it's not getting any cheaper. No it's not. We should look into seeing if we can do a like a contract with like a cleaning like what are the supplies like trash bags and cleaning materials and stuff like that i wonder if it'd be worth looking into getting like a cleanorama contract they're pretty expensive are they i [2:26:21] Select Board Chair: saw a fighter panel get some stuff from them yeah [2:26:32] Speaker C (unidentified): equipment we've used 75 of it but [2:26:42] Select Board Chair: what can we air [2:26:46] Speaker C (unidentified): conditioners it's the air conditioners so i'm guessing that's maintenance cleaning and maintenance of them which would be contract i [2:27:00] Speaker B (unidentified): would assume if we've used 70 i don't know if we have to up that one because we're 75 of the way through the year i don't know is that to buy new air conditioners [2:27:12] Speaker F (unidentified): no it was cleaning and services of the heat pump that's [2:27:23] Select Board Chair: why I was like where is that i'm wondering did we buy a vacuum cleaner or something anything out of that i want to think there's something that isaac wanted last year i [2:27:58] Speaker C (unidentified): mean something's come out of it because we've used 75 there's 376 dollars left for the year do [2:28:17] Select Board Chair: we look and see if there was a one-time purchase on that we can reduce that yeah so [2:28:29] Speaker C (unidentified): look into that one yeah all right before we get into repairs and maintenance do we want to call it time so that we've got the time in between before we hit repairment the repairs and maintenance for the other the other accounts yeah [2:28:52] Speaker I (unidentified): stop right here yep [2:29:06] Select Board Chair: let's [Speaker B (unidentified): do yep] okay good evening welcome to the member board of selectmen's meeting for september 22nd would you please join me in the flag salute the [2:39:45] Speaker F (unidentified): flag of the united states of america can [2:39:50] Speaker I (unidentified): i [2:40:09] Select Board Chair: have a motion to accept the warrants all those in favor opposed okay can i have a motion to accept the minutes from the september 15th meeting so move second all in favor announcements wait the select board will meet on tuesday september 29th at 6 p.m for a public hearing with the regular board meeting to follow the planning board will meet on wednesday october 7th at 7 p.m. and the Budget Committee will meet every Thursday at 7 p.m. starting on September 24th, 2026. 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[2:42:10] Speaker G (unidentified): Good evening. Yeah, I'm Julie Giles. [2:42:13] Town Treasurer: I'm your treasurer, and I'm proud to be it, but you may not like me when I tell you some of the things we've got today, but most of them are good. As of the 21st, we're coming to the end of the third quarter with these warrants that they're signing tonight. Your expenditures right now are 67.40% and we have 14 more weeks to go before the accruals. The detailed reports will be issued next week because both the month and the quarter both end. And then we have the totals of all the accounts at this station. You folks have your reports in front of you as well as the money that's in the accounts as of right now. And I dealt with the bank the other day and got the interest increased on our CDs, two of them, and they're put in into a shorter term so we can get more interest for them once they decide what you're going to do with them. Could not get any more for the rescue billing, as you know, when it came, they gave me a hefty increase because as of right now, we got $16,000 in interest this, and your franchise The franchise fees are $23,000, almost $800 as of right now. You still have another quarter. There has been an issue with the Maine PERS, but it has been corrected and posted up to date. MRI, the prior payroll company that we have been working with, dropped the ball back on June 30th when their representative resigned and never bothered to let us know. They locked the system out and put it digital, and Maine PERS, their officials, had to open up the program, and it took over a day to get it done. Once it was over, the two mission missing months have been brought up to date, and going forward the payments will take be taken care of here in-house. Don't think you've got too many questions that you need to ask on the payables, on the expense report, revenues and general ledgers. The bank accounts are balanced up to the month of August, and I might bring it to the board's attention that the bank accounts are supposed to be reviewed, and they're presented for review, and they're always been accessible. Gil was the last one to review them. I have mentioned it, but it didn't seem to be an issue, and it fell kind of, I guess, on deaf ears, but they are available, and we've been working very closely to make sure that they are up to date. Sue has done an amazing job. She's my deputy, and we're both sworn in, and she works very diligently, more than two hours a week, as was earlier stated. And thanks to her, we found some errors THAT DUE TO MY PREDECESSOR AND WE BROUGHT THOSE TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD AND TODAY I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO JUSTIN BERG AND I GOT HIS AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE LEAVING ALONE TILL HE COMES IN TOMORROW HE SENDED ME AN EMAIL WITH THE REPORTS THAT HE NEEDS AND SINCE THERE'S BEEN SO MANY PEOPLE DOING and journal adjustment entries for 23, 24, 22 that he wants to get together with me and we're gonna go right back and start so we know where we're standing for 25. When I saw this one journal was what they call a B, and that's for a budget adjustment that is figured by TRIO and brought across for us. and it affected all of the designated fund balance or special revenues which were for your do to do from accounts number journal number three and for the expenditures so that your water projects and that's your fire barn and in this then they made a decision to reverse the journal entry. Unfortunately it was done in manually, it was not done through the budget beginning balance figures, so currently sitting out in the accounts there is a beginning balance journal entry and a regular reversal entry That are invalid. They were supposed to be reversed, and I'm sorry that this didn't find, and this would have probably not happened if I had been allowed to have an audit as I had asked for when I was first elected. And the state says that I'm entitled to it because of the year my predecessor had been here, and to make sure that the books were in balance. But needless to say, it wasn't done, and it's cost the town Limerick, I'm very sorry to say. I have to hunk in your auditors fees. I'm very sorry, but I had no control over it. Handsforth going forward with Mr. Burg, I hope that I can keep my promise to you folks, and that your balances, your budget will be balanced. And if you folks need to see any of these reports, you're more than welcome. This is what is being texted, emailed to Mr. Berg, that's since the fire barn started to date, and that journal, that account was only in balance for three months up to 2023, and that's when those three journals were made, and it got worse from there. And on top is also where the warrant article, a special town meeting back to November 8th of 2022, just about opened up your accounts to be a piggy bank for anybody to spend whatever they wanted in the transferring of money. Thanks to Judy Page, I was given this, and so because I had never seen this report before, and it really did, you could move anything any way you wanted it and spend it what you wanted as long as it went to the fire barn. But we will get this solved with a new auditor. He hopes to be, as I said, I will have literature from him tomorrow morning and know what I have to get to him. I will forward all the copies of everything to the board, which would be standard operating procedures, and go henceforth and keep the public and everybody in tune of what is going on. I also like to bring up that two months ago here in a meeting I asked for a meeting with members of the board to get the correct postings for the tax acquired properties. To this date that has not happened. Currently we have six properties that have been sold in the excess of three hundred and seventeen $17,000 that was requested by both Judy and I to happen, and we'd really like to get it. We've only got one quarter left, but you've got more properties. I know coming because I watched the meetings and we would like to make sure that this is coded the way you wanted before the year-end. In regards to daily operations, I would like to ask in the future following that all the invoices are given to the treasurer's office or laid on my desk and each of the invoices should have a PO attached and to the account numbers that they're to be charged. This is in the SOP for the new purchase order policy. I'm just asking so that it starts to become secondhand. I only have a few that aren't doing it, but that can be easily rectified. Sorry, I've got quite a bit here to bring forward to you folks. I would like to ask again that I know it's a lot, not really a lot to ask, but I'm asking that I be on the email to get the corrected or when it's finally signed for the minutes and also the agendas, please. It was just by the grace of God because I was figuring one more week before I had to make this report, so it's a little bit all over the place. But I'm going to bring this subject up because I see that it's on there. You have stated that at the last meeting that you could touch the Treasurer's Budget. Well, Dean LePage was spot on. You can't because of the way we do it. MMA says you can't as well as Maine state government and the bookkeeping practices because it says, like most traditional town halls, Limerick public votes on a budget via the warrant articles at an annual or special town meeting. THE STATE STATUTE CONTROLS ONCE VOTED ON THE EXPENDITURES OF THESE FUNDS IS LEGALLY BOUND BY THE MAIN MUNICIPAL FUNDS LAW. MUNICIPAL OFFICES, THE SELECT BOARD AND THE TREASURES CAN ONLY SPEND THE MONEY AUTHORIZED BY THOSE SPECIFIC VOTERS APPROVED WARRANT ADDICALS. AND IT GOES ON TO SAY MORE, AND THAT'S RIGHT, EASILY ACCESSIBLE ONLINE AT THE MAIN STATUTES and MMA as well as the duties of the treasurer I don't want to really get into that tonight but I am doing my job I could be easily handled a little bit better if I got to get some communications I don't get to speak to any of you folks very often and it seems like I've I've got the plague and I don't, I'm working for you folks and I made promises to some people in this room that I had their backs and I don't make that very likely. My word means something and it always will and I promised the voters that I would get them a balanced budget and with Mr. Berg's help we will have it before my term is done because he's already shown me and we've talked about some stuff that's never been brought up before and I'm very impressed and he was with what I knew about the systems and the backup materials and the following of the gap c34s which are the standard government accounting that which is not like your normal bookkeeping process it's a lot different and has to be followed by the guidelines of it or there are substantial penalties there was a comment made and i heard it so i that kind of opens the door when they were smart chuckling about the wall in regards to the wall it might be politic would might have been politically correct to speak to the departments that it would be affected when you put up a wall to make room for someone and Would you add do this with in the library the transfer station the town clerk's a tax collector's office or in the fire chief's office? Currently it takes less and 10 steps thereabouts up to 15 to go from my office to Courtney's and we are in communication with a lot during the day passing paperwork back and forth if you put the wall in as you are looking to do, that will create a 72-foot passageway that has to go to be done and takes 52 steps to go one way. So that's 104 versus 32 and two, three doors to go through. There are 11 files that will not be accessible by the treasurer office. they will no longer be available because you're going to have a wall and my office will the treasurer's office will be located on the wall farthest away from these filing cabinets also I found out that a lot of people didn't even know that those were for the treasurer and the tax collector that is where you file your documents for your liens your foreclosures your discharges without those, if you could ask the manager, I don't know what you gave him for a title, but he's doing a good job on the fact that sale of property, you're supposed to have every document in their file from the first time that it was leaned on, right up to the sale. And if you don't have that, the owner in one piece is missing or a signature isn't there, then null and void. And this is, I know this because of what I have gone for classes, they're available for the tax collector and the treasurer of all the time on liens and foreclosures. And it might be feasible if some people, other people in the town took them, or even read the documents on them. If you put a walk, still want to pull a wall up, and I know you do, I would make the recommendation of putting your wall way you want, but make it with a door in it with a deadbolt on the treasurer's side if you're worried about the treasurer, and that way we're not walking that fire, Courtney and I can communicate with each other and give back and forth. You've got your privacy on both sides and it be locked up, but if you put a solid wall up there, you are going to sufficiently damage the work ability to do liens and foreclosures in the treasurer's office, and without your treasurer you don't have your foreclosures, that's a state statute. And currently as I said there's 11 files in that alcove and two more on the outside that would be moved, the other file is Courtney's, and then it's arts. We all need exercise, but you don't need it that day and day out to do that. And I'd also like to apologize to the people because I've heard some comments, and I'd like you to know as of right now nothing is broken, just badly bruised. Two weeks ago tomorrow night I fell down the back stairs, Judy and Dee were gracious enough to help me get picked up in the interim. Thereafter I'm getting side effects from my shoulders and my knee and my back, but I am in here working every day and it's not, no it's not affecting me, it's just like when I broke my back I was supposed to be out for four months, I was out 29 days and I worked from home. It was one more, I'm sorry, but I think you know with the door it would be nice rather than a solid wall, there's no need of the aspects of that. And I'm looking, as I said, looking forward to working with your new auditor. I took it upon myself to introduce myself to him because I needed to know what to do with that three accounts, three entries that I found, because that affected all the way back to, I said as 22, 23, 24, because the money started, it was fine in 21, 22, and then in 23 that entries was made and I cannot follow where everything is as of right now. I'm trying and hopefully with Mr. Berg's help, we will get it done. And when you got main purse, but I want to thank Dean. He was spot-on the idea of the, you couldn't spend the, but it's because the way that the town does their voting, they could take the money away, and they did take it away. And I'm still working on helping in the side reviews with payroll, whatever becomes of it, but I got your main pers straightened away, and we have a labor thing, and I'm getting that straightened away for you folks, as well as the coding and information for the new payroll company. When I stated that I don't do the payroll, I essentially wasn't fortunate, but with the system that we were using, it was just a minor statement. I apologize and bringing that I one last thing and this goes back to the match election many of you know that I was not there was not by choice I would we had a meeting of the budgets beforehand and I expressed everything and brought it all down and I was there after the meeting broke up was asked not to attend the meeting. They were in hopes that it might be quieter. I saw the meeting. I couldn't get there in time. I apologize. I will not miss another election for you in my term. But I specifically was asked not to attend by a budget member and a board member. And I'm not saying names and it's nobody's business. It's in the past. But I don't want to be blamed that I was a coward not to show up or anything. I was asked not to attend, and what do you do when officials ask you? Usually try to facilitate what they ask, and I did, and it cost me a hell of a lot of money. So but other than that I'm here doing your job and doing it to my best ability and doing it the right way the way the law states. I do not like bars and you have my word I will not break the law for anybody in this building or outside and I thank you very much. [3:01:26] Speaker C (unidentified): Julie, you had sent an email and the changes are you suggesting making the changes to the 22 or to the 23 or 24 years? None as per the new auditors [3:01:39] Town Treasurer: request as of right now. Mr. Berg does not want me to touch anything he asked me and that's why I've got everything and that'll be it's already scanned and it'll go to him tomorrow okay so that is not being done because and i could not sign off on that for you and neither could trio because the members of the member of the board has signed off on both of the audits and i found that out from an auditing firm that 's they would have to i'm just was asking to protect all of you cya okay my other question is with hollandville and [3:02:17] Speaker C (unidentified): And the Deepville accounts, I know they've been meeting on that, and there are issues with posting. [3:02:26] Town Treasurer: I spoke to Gail, and we're trying to get that, but I can't change anything until he looks at the books. [3:02:32] Speaker C (unidentified): Okay, so you're waiting for the auditor to come in and... [3:02:35] Town Treasurer: And we're going to start getting the information as soon as he gets it for me. And I told Gail I'd keep her in line, and I've got everything with me, and I can still try to work it so I know where it goes, just like I did with this one journal for the fire department. [3:02:50] Speaker C (unidentified): Okay, so nothing's gonna change at this point until the auditor comes in and [3:02:55] Town Treasurer: until he tells me otherwise. Okay, just protect all of you, okay, when he was gonna start. I'm, he's sending me the list of materials to send him for Trio tomorrow. And I will get it together to him, and I'll send it right back to him. He thanked me for calling, and I was on his list to call. He was driving when I got in, they transferred me to his call, and we're all set to go, and soon as I get the materials, he's gonna have him the next day or the day after, and he told me not to hesitate to call him because by his contract I'm the point of contact for it, and that's why I felt I was safe enough to ask, and that was my only auditor that I could ask the right way to do, and because my guts told me to do it, and this way he can see what he's walking into before and see where it came from. I hope I've explained it sufficiently. Thank you. Any questions, Jerry? Okay, [3:04:04] Speaker C (unidentified): thank you all. I had asked Gail to send me kind of a spreadsheet of what was going on with the Deepvale and Hollandville. Gail, I was actually gonna ask you to get up and speak to it tonight, but if we're not gonna make any changes due to the auditor at this point, can you, did she leave? Oh, can you make sure when you guys are discussing saying the CD, the Hollandville, the Deepville, all of that, Gail is included with the auditor, so that because I know Gail has kept really good track of all of those funds, and I think that would be really important. All right, well [3:05:06] Speaker E (unidentified): is that okay with you, Gail? Can [3:05:08] Speaker C (unidentified): can you work with the auditor on those since you've got all the numbers? Thank you. Okay. [3:05:20] Select Board Chair: Yep, okay, next, hearing of citizens, Steve, I [3:05:38] Public commenter: guess I'll start out. You know the mailbox down there, I see they're digging up on Central F, is that mailbox going to be put back where it originally was, or is that getting squashed or moved? Anyone know? Because I know [3:05:51] Select Board Chair: we've been through this twice. Can you address that? I know you sent me an email on it. [3:05:58] Speaker C (unidentified): He sent the, did we get that printed out? I think he just emailed. [3:06:06] Speaker L (unidentified): It's actually part of the new business, but we will be addressing that. The property owner was warned back in August of 2025 that if it was removed, it cannot go back. But it is in the new business to be discussed. [3:06:24] Public commenter: Stan, was that when the state put that back though? Was that the state doing it or the town? [3:06:34] Speaker L (unidentified): It was, and I can explain in a little more detail, but in August of 2025, the contractor wanted to, and the developer, which was Duncan, wanted to try and appease all of the neighbors, and they put it in the sidewalk. They actually altered the sidewalk and added a walkway, which again, created a biased and unfairness. So it was in the road traffic safety ordinance, which has now been updated to reflect everything. So that will be addressed later. Okay, [3:07:12] Public commenter: Like tonight, you guys voted on accepting the meeting minutes. I've been going through a lot of minutes here. I emailed Courtney and we had 3.23, 3.30, and then 3.23 again. There seems to be a lot of missing minutes to the selectmen's meetings. Courtney's going to find out about it. [3:07:37] Speaker G (unidentified): So I can answer that. I did go onto the website and I did update that, and the only set of minutes that are missing that were not able to get done because of, I mean, do you know? [3:07:52] Speaker B (unidentified): I'll say it, yeah. Yeah, I was doing the minutes in between Alicia and Courtney, and on the meeting of the 30th, I was going to do the minutes and I ended up getting injured and was in the hospital. So I did not get those completed and then Courtney started. [3:08:06] Speaker G (unidentified): So I will be working on getting the 30th minutes done just to be able to catch up, make sure we have all the minutes, but those are the only minutes that are missing. I went back through and made sure that all of them were updated. So you changed them? So, I updated the website to the minutes that we have. [3:08:25] Public commenter: You had three in a row that said the 23rd. [3:08:27] Speaker G (unidentified): Yeah, I fixed that. Okay. Yeah. I went on, fixed that. So, you're one of the ones that are missing out of the 30th, and I will be doing those to catch up. Okay. All right. [3:08:39] Public commenter: All right. Another thing I watched last week, and I just want to touch on the appeals board. All right. First of all, 20-something years that I was on it. All right. The appeals board is not a paid position. All right. Strictly volunteer appeals board never got paid. Okay, now we for 20 plus years always use the selectmen secretary. All right, we'd call her up and say hey can we have can we have this date, can you put it in the paper? All right, can you call Gail? That's the central thing. All right, there again volunteer people doing a job for no pay. It's been going good for 20, 25 years. All right. And we would ask they would make copies of the five of us when we come in. It was copies here. All right. So I think you guys got to think about saying that Courtney's not going to help the appeals board because if that's the case, come budget time, we might as well put $50,000 dollars in a budget so they can have a full-time secretary. We had a secretary very minimal. The only thing a secretary did was did the minutes to our meeting. Okay, that's traditionally it's all it ever was. They weren't all the time there and I don't think last year we had a meeting. All right, so it's kind of pointless to put somebody on a payroll for that so i think it's something to rethink i know she's your secretary but we was always the town administrator to help out you know and something like that because that 's a lot of work i've done it plenty of times michael carroll dave coleman you know reams and reams of paper we're running through our copiers and that shouldn't be all right it's an appeals board for the town of limerick all right there should be some help in doing i'm not saying overextend help but you know if somebody's here all day versus the Appeals Board people that are working, right? The Budget Committee, we always relied on the Selectmen's Secretary to print out stuff for us for 20-something years, okay? I think we just got to re-get in the sight here of what the Appeals Board, what the Budget Committee are. Either that or you stop paying them. And even if you're going to pay them, they're going to have to have a copier. So can we buy a copier just for the Appeals Board? [3:11:05] Speaker C (unidentified): Kind of silly. Can I address that one because Courtney did make copies of [3:11:10] Public commenter: Everything for every member, I'm just saying going forward. I did, there's been a lot of stuff going back, and I said I'm going up tonight because, you know, for 20-something years it rolled great, the appeals, would you know whether you like that decision or not, it's not the point. But as far as having everything ready and that, okay, the last thing I want to touch on that is the confusion over the lawyers. Okay, I went back through all the records here, we've used four different lawyers on the appeals board, okay, six years ago we couldn't have the town one because the planning board had the town one, all right, so it's all documented, we were told go hire a law firm, okay, and then there was another time we had the town's lawyer, the planning board had to go get another lawyer, and then it was the other time was Mike Gilpatrick, that he had the town's lawyer, planning board had to get a lawyer, and we had to get a lawyer, all right, unforeseen circumstance, so that's just something to keep in mind, this stuff has been going on and on and on, and it's whoever asked first, whatever board asked the town's lawyer, that's who gets them, okay, and that's that's just the way it is, so keep that in mind on at this [3:12:27] Speaker C (unidentified): At this point, we have received written waiver of the 30-day, so that's on hold anyways. Yeah. [3:12:36] Public commenter: But I hear what you're saying. I'm not even getting it. I don't care. I don't care about it. Like I said, we- No, I hear what you're saying. Traditionally, it was 35 days. We had to hire reduced. I don't even want to get into that. I'm getting into the fact that it just sounds like the appeals board, you got to get your own secretary, but that's not what the secretary for the appeals board would be able to do, because there again, if it's some lady at home, we're going to buy her a copier, I mean, you start looking through 30 pages, and Courtney will tell you, know, she did the minutes, we hired her to do minutes for the appeals board many times, you got to sit there and you got to listen to the whole thing, okay, so that's the little money that's set aside for a secretary on the [3:13:19] Speaker G (unidentified): appeals board, it's not really a secretary, right, yeah, can I speak on that, yes, so I don't mind printing the documents for the board, I really don't, I'm in the office, the only thing that I cannot do is the minutes, because that is on my own personal time, and I don't have time for that [3:13:41] Public commenter: there's money, there's money there for, yeah, for the appeals board to have the secretary go through [3:13:45] Speaker G (unidentified): the minutes, just like you did. [3:13:47] Public commenter: The last one we had was very, long, and I told you, whatever it takes, it takes. I don't know how many times we have gone to court, and our town's attorneys now for 25 years have told us, you've got to have the minutes. The minutes have to be correct. In the last court session we had, the judge thanked the appeals board, because actually Ben did the minutes for the appeals board. The judge thanked us for how thoroughly [3:14:15] Speaker G (unidentified): they were okay so it's very important yeah and like I said I don't mind printing the documents but when I was doing the minutes for the board of appeals I had to do it on my own time [3:14:27] Speaker C (unidentified): and I don't have no that's why we hired you and you did post for post for them for a secretary [3:14:34] Public commenter: yes oh yeah no that's how it always was right now if you're going to change it fine change it But then we've got to start throwing a bunch of money at the appeals board. Are they going to get paid for their time and their interest? And like I said, she'll attest to that. But there'll be somebody else that'll do the minutes. It'd be a big conflict, I think, if she did the minutes. But it was always separate. There was always a separate pay for that. So we just don't want to put them all together and mush this up. [3:15:03] Speaker C (unidentified): Yep, nope, they have their own budget. Yep, thank you. Anyone else? Hearing citizens. Oops. [3:15:29] Transfer Station attendant / Public commenter: I've been getting a lot of questions at the transfer station, people coming in, primarily because of the pickleball court. And I know that you guys got a correspondence from John last week. I'd like to have you take that up tonight and make a decision. I put in quite a bit of personal money and other people have put personal money in and they would like to see the project completed. And I also had a couple of questions about the pavilion, what's going on with the pavilion. I understood that was all ready to go and then nothing's happened. [3:16:21] Speaker C (unidentified): WE HAVE NOT HAD ANYONE BID ON, SUBMIT PROPOSALS, ANYTHING FOR A BILLION FOR BUILDING THAT. WE PUT IT OUT. [3:16:32] Select Board Chair: WE PUT IT OUT. NO BIDS. [3:16:35] Transfer Station attendant / Public commenter: NO BIDS AT ALL? NO BIDS. CAN YOU PUT THAT OUT AGAIN? BECAUSE THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT PEOPLE KIND OF PROMISED AND IT DIDN'T COME THROUGH. [3:16:45] Speaker C (unidentified): THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY VOTED ON, RAISED AND APPROPRIATED FOR, YES. yeah can really quick don't go anywhere can we discuss the pickleball court thing real quick i'm fine with that with the email that we got i would not have a problem with john's proposal and doing it under the town of limerick or the park and rec for the liability i think i think his proposal was reasonable [3:17:20] Speaker B (unidentified): And I have it pulled up so I can just go over it real quick. He is volunteering the labor to stripe the court, but on a temporary basis, using sport court tape. Install the nets and tensioners to make the court at least playable, and it can be revisited in the spring for more permanent solution. John is willing to donate the sport court tape. The only caveat is that he would like it done under the rec department. Department and all the people used would be volunteers of the town. And him nor anyone else will accept liability or receive any compensation for this. [3:18:02] Speaker C (unidentified): I don't want him to have to pay for that because we have gotten donations for it. And I think at this point, if that's the only option with the end of the season, I think that should go that should come from the donations at least that were specifically for that. I don't think John should be putting in the money for it to [3:18:27] Transfer Station attendant / Public commenter: do that. Well, I think he's he's offered now twice, I think, to not accept his offer would probably upset him. And as far as the funds, they'll be there in the spring to do the permanent striping, and there is going to be some, they have to do something else, install the nets and the tension ears, so he's he's also going to do those as part of his offer. I think the town should accept his offer. Thanks. I agree with that. I think [3:19:11] Speaker C (unidentified): I would make a motion that we accept John's offer to the Pickleball Court up and going for the year under the terms he listed in his email. Second. Second. Second. All in favor? [3:19:28] Transfer Station attendant / Public commenter: All in. Just a couple of projects that we've got going at the transfer station. I'm still waiting for the grinding. He's trying to work the town in. And fortunately, if you can't do it before the end of the year, then the money that's in the account will just roll over. They're planning now the paving the first week of October, and they'll be paving down there. We will be closing on Wednesday, but everybody will get enough notice. [3:20:11] Select Board Chair: Joanne, I'd like to make one comment about this whole pickleball thing. I get the email from Mr. Welch accusing me of basically not wanting that pickleball court because it was going to affect my business. Well, I got news for you. I was approached numerous times to put in a pickleball court on my property, and we said we are in the disc golf business, not the pickleball business, okay? So to say that I was against that, I'm not, but what I was against, John sent an email, and I responded, and all I asked was, would you tell me how this is going to be built? Because when you're doing things on top of concrete, things don't always bond correctly. I wanted those steps and I didn't get a response. So. [3:21:12] Transfer Station attendant / Public commenter: Well, anything that transpired prior to this email, I don't know anything about it. So. [3:21:18] Speaker E (unidentified): But thank you for bringing that up [3:21:20] Speaker C (unidentified): so that we could get that addressed this night. [3:21:26] Select Board Chair: One thing I will add, I found out today that our disc golf business was in the top 100 in the United States for this year. And last year we were, I think it was the 90th in the world. And that's from a reporting service, so to speak. I know that's not the right term for it, but that takes information in from every player in the world. And we're still just a hair over a hundred on the ratings right now. Congratulations. We are just in disc golf. We are nothing else and never will be. [3:22:14] Speaker G (unidentified): So with during bringing up the pavilion, do you guys want me to put that back out to bid and how long? [3:22:28] Speaker C (unidentified): Do we want to put that out to bid now or do we want to wait until spring? I mean, holiday's coming up. Contractors might be going okay. [3:22:37] Select Board Chair: Well, you're going to be pouring concrete too. Exactly. [Speaker F (unidentified): Mm-hmm. Yeah.] That's, you've got just a small window now before it's starting to get frost and after that hits, we shouldn't be doing that. I mean, it doesn't hurt to put it out to [3:22:51] Speaker H (unidentified): bed though. Yeah. Instead of kicking, yeah, I just don't want to. Instead of kicking it down the road, yeah. [3:22:56] Speaker B (unidentified): We can put it out to bed and see, for maybe a two-week period and, put it on Facebook and the newspaper and post it throughout town. Maybe throw it on Indeed. Send some carrier pigeons around. [3:23:11] Speaker G (unidentified): Okay, so if we put it out to bid this week, one, two, and then have bids back by the 13th because that gives us two weeks to have it out. That's fine. That'd be great. Yep. I will make sure I get that put in tomorrow. [3:23:31] Select Board Chair: Okay. Okay. Anyone else hearing assistance? Cheryl? [3:23:41] Public commenter: Lots of tiny things there. Snow plow bids and everything's all been signed and everything. I might've missed it, but did we ever find out who or who's getting paid to plow the snow dump? That was in either one of the contracts. And I haven't heard anything about, you know, how are they gonna get the snow up there? Who's gonna be plowing it? [Select Board Chair: But I] Thought one of the contractors over the years, this year was the only one that there was never included in, I don't know which one. I, but it was. Yeah, but wasn't it supposed to be included in the contracts for you guys to do it? Just pick and choose. Okay. Well, they, it was discussed before. Okay, so whoever gets there first plows it and that's it. Okay, very good. What is complete labor staff? It's highway repair. It was in the warrant. [Speaker B (unidentified): That's the stripers?] No. Oh, okay. Because the stripers were last week. Okay. Very good. And I noticed that the lawyer's bills was a little on the high side, over $5,000. It's just a combination. They're not listed, but is it just a combination of everything that's going on in town, the $5,000? Oh, I agree. Yes. [3:25:11] Speaker C (unidentified): There's another, was it 2,000? That came in, that just came in today. [3:25:22] Public commenter: Julie brought up payroll there. The last few weeks, everybody's been, you know, Courtney's been trying to get all this to the people, then the payroll company, they even asked for more. Why did we ever take it out of house? It was going so well. Can't we bring payroll back in? Why? Well I see you shaking your head but I don't see anybody else answering. [3:25:51] Speaker B (unidentified): With having another company in my opinion with having another company it takes some liability off the town if things are done incorrectly with tax reporting and [3:26:00] Public commenter: insurance and stuff like that. Okay but that versus the cost of having that payroll dragging on and we paying two payroll companies because the second one hasn't got everything in, that ducks in a row. Is it feasible? [3:26:17] Speaker C (unidentified): We are not paying a monthly fee at this point for the second payroll company. They're doing it for nothing. [3:26:23] Speaker E (unidentified): It's still being set up. [3:26:25] Speaker C (unidentified): We pay for the implementation for the setup. And until we are online and utilizing the services, we do not start paying the monthly fee. [3:26:34] Public commenter: So was that fee, I can't remember the numbers and stuff like that, but it's more expensive than the other one. Is that better than the liability? You know what, comparing the two, the liability for the town to keep it in-house. And there has never been a problem in how many years that they've been doing in-house payroll versus dumping all that money onto a new payroll company. Just asking, curious. Because it seems it's just been a problem ever since they started it out of house. It's just been, you know, the one thing right after another where before you never heard about payroll. You put your time cards in, you get your paid and, you know, there was never a discussion about it and it seems like that's all we talk about is getting the payroll straightened out. [3:27:22] Speaker C (unidentified): Back when it was in house, there were multiple people in the treasurer's office that were doing payroll. Mm-hmm. We don't have that. I thought... When Laura May was in... [3:27:34] Public commenter: I thought Courtney did payroll back then Courtney am I wrong sorry so yeah I was [3:27:46] Speaker G (unidentified): helping with the payroll it was I was learning how to do it from Laura Mae and Laura Mae was overseeing it because she was treasurer and she had she had to be the one to sign off on it. But I was learning how to do it through TRIO and doing the leg work of it, but most of it was under Laura because she was the treasurer. [3:28:12] Public commenter: But that's two people then versus I don't know how many is in payroll. I'm just curious. I mean, we've just been talking about it. That's all we talk about is payroll. So I just wanted to kind of figure out which one would be more economical for the town rather than just saying, okay, we're going to dump it on a payroll company and let them, you know whatever okay payroll curious no nothing I want done about it I was just curious it was just a little surprised I heard that there was over 200 or under around 200 people that's on the payroll at the fire department that is not true [3:28:53] Speaker B (unidentified): there's not even 200 people on the payroll for the town over the year no [3:28:57] Public commenter: I know that but I mean over the years what they've had they've never been taken off no okay you know hey you gotta nip the rumors and I just got a couple [3:29:10] Town Treasurer: things okay when Courtney and I have been working when we were doing this for pay core we found out there's an awful lot of employees that still are on the records presently right now we when I'm usually this time of the year I'd be ordering the w-2s but not knowing who's going to do them i'm holding off but in the past years we've only ordered 100 and as soon as we decide where payroll is going to land for sure 100 we'll get those all removed but currently the payroll is about 77 people and we figure a maximum [3:29:49] Public commenter: 100 okay thank you yeah and one more thing I want to talk about is because I did the wall the idea of a door solves everything you only have to move the printer out in the hall because everybody's files will be where they're supposed to be are the postage meter too sorry and it's safe it's something happens, there's an entry that you can, two doors you can get out of, you can bolt it on either side so the safety, which is the main concern, is what you guys are going to put the wall up to begin with. And why do we always talk about things but nothing ever happens? [3:30:38] Select Board Chair: That wall is out for good right now. It's done for security purposes. [3:30:44] Public commenter: Yes, but for safety purposes, there should be a door in there Houses do yeah, I can see you guys jump in all those windows [3:31:12] Select Board Chair: To the safety areas too In the event that someone was trying to attack either one They have rooms that they can go in and walk, I'm not saying it's gonna work 100%, but it's gonna slow somebody down and they can at least get some time to call for help. [3:31:42] Public commenter: You know somebody goes through the glass or the door to the okay the treasurer or even the secretary she would her door would be here the treasurer's here if they get into those doors and there's a wall there they're stuck they can't get out unless they go through their little window that's not very big just throwing it out there I mean we talk about a wall but it hasn't been put up and maybe there's a reason it hasn't been put up yet because maybe there should be some kind of a not a revolving door but a door that is accessible to both offices I mean I wouldn't want to be the run like Julie said running around for here and there or just move everything right out into the hall so they go out one door each goes out one door and everything's accessible to everybody but i 've never been that far back in the office i guess there's quite a few files but you know and that little area wow there's a lot of them in that little area [3:32:39] Speaker E (unidentified): okay stan what is [3:32:44] Speaker C (unidentified): there room downstairs to move all of the filing cabinets [3:32:53] Speaker L (unidentified): yes there is and that was something i was going to bring up at my next department head meeting And because we do need more files and we're just out of room. But there is plenty of room thanks to it being cleaned up. Plus the other meeting room has room along the wall that could be used as well. [3:33:11] Public commenter: For files that aren't used often. What about the files that are used daily or possibly hourly? [3:33:18] Speaker L (unidentified): I still have to access some of the files downstairs on a daily basis with the tax acquired and some other information. So it's just a matter of walking, but well, you got the elevator and again, it's the building has a lot of space that needs to be utilized. It just hasn't been utilized. Okay. [3:33:41] Public commenter: So we'll just wait and see what happens with the wall when it goes up when one of the bids do. [3:34:03] Speaker B (unidentified): Before the end of the month. [3:34:06] Public commenter: September, okay. Yeah, the end of September. Okay. Thank you. [3:34:11] Select Board Chair: Chair Jerry Cook. Anyone else? Hearing no citizens. The [3:34:18] Speaker C (unidentified): whole business. Trustee Nancy Ingram. We need to set interviews for bookkeeper. Oh, sorry. Chair Jerry Cook. Okay. Say it again. Trustee Nancy Ingram. We are getting in the applications and resumes for bookkeepers. We need to set, we need to start looking at setting up interviews for both those and the video tech, I mean both the video technician and bookkeeper. We need to look at setting up the interviews to get that taken care of. We can't keep kicking it down the road. I mean, the video technician's been kicked down. [3:34:55] Speaker D (unidentified): How many of the bookkeepers do we have? [3:35:01] Speaker G (unidentified): The bookkeeper, I think it was 17 that we got. And then the video tech, I think it was around 10 for each. So my question with that is that on Indeed, we have the capability to pause it so that we don't get any more applications. I don't know if you want me to keep it open so that we keep getting applications or if you guys want me to pause it so you can go through [3:35:29] Speaker C (unidentified): the ones that you have received already. I mean, I don't see why we can't take the time this week to go through the applications and kind of weed out because I mean, I've, I've seen some of them and some of them clearly appear to be a unemployment putting in a resume as a requirement. They're not going to move close by, they're not gonna, they don't live local, they don't, and by local I'm talking they don't live in the state of Maine. Yeah, so you know those obviously we need to weed out. Look at what we're at, so there's no harm in continuing to get applications or resumes because until, I mean, the position is going to be open until it's filled. [3:36:19] Speaker D (unidentified): So we need to get interviews going. Do we want to do Friday, is anybody [3:36:37] Speaker C (unidentified): available Friday afternoons? [3:36:41] Speaker B (unidentified): Howard gave me that same look last week when I said [3:36:43] Speaker H (unidentified): Fridays, just so you know, you look at me like saying, what do you think I am? Well, with my job, [3:36:49] Speaker C (unidentified): that's, that's the safest day time that I could say that. Oh, you know, I could try to be a lot of work. [3:36:56] Speaker D (unidentified): For a chunk of time I don't care, I can do it any day, so Friday's work. Yep, I get out at one in [3:37:06] Speaker B (unidentified): Biddeford, so I can be here by 2. [3:37:09] Speaker C (unidentified): I could probably be here by 2 too. [3:37:16] Select Board Chair: So let's see, 22nd, how if we do something October 2nd, that'll give us a week, a little over a week to read those. [3:37:32] Speaker B (unidentified): Yeah, then I think we can come up with a short list on the 29th, like we can take the week to review, come up with a short list, and then reach out to the candidates and see if they're available. We can correspond via email. [3:37:48] Speaker C (unidentified): What did you say? You want to do it sooner? No, because that would be this Friday and that's just, [3:37:52] Speaker D (unidentified): I don't think. Yeah, we can't. [3:37:57] Speaker B (unidentified): I mean we could. I can't this Friday. I have to be in court. So I think the second is fine. I think the second is fine. That gives us time to, like I said, make a short list. Go through the applications and we can all correspond via email and yeah, with our recommendations and go from there, so along with that if I get any [3:38:22] Speaker G (unidentified): more for those two positions do you just want me to email them to you Julie [3:38:31] Select Board Chair: you had a question regarding this number [3:38:42] Town Treasurer: one after what I read about the funding where you're going to get the money, number two you ought to read your state statute as well as MMA's and what they're actually going to be allowed to do, because your treasurer who is elected till March, for everybody's knowledge, I'm liable for them and I'm not going to jail for anybody. I have to answer for the books and if you don't believe me you can ask your new auditor. I'm just afraid for the town if you want to set yourself up. I mentioned to all you folks earlier and I know I get all sorts of strange little faces, if you postpone this to start them with the new budget for 27, all right, you have three months. I'm not going to run away and die, I hope, unless I fall down the stairs, maybe I'll break my neck and make everybody happy, just kidding Julie, no I said I'm just kidding, okay we're just relaxed Laurie, that's not funny, well it is because I hear it, all right, all right, I'm not going anywhere, but anyhow what I see is you're looking to bring Somebody in to learn trio that isn't the most user friendly. The classes aren't as good as they've made to be. Then you've got to get them state certified so that they know what the job is. I don't want the job if you don't want me here, and that's fine. But I am willing to give my expertise and training and being on a state board for the Maine Municipal Association for 10 years and helping train of everybody in the state of Maine. I have volunteered to help. I see the faces that are being made and I don't appreciate it, but I mean it. Why waste your money if you've got somebody in here that's offering to help train somebody? Bring them in when the books are balanced. They're not now, and they're not going to be able to play with them. They can set up the trio system like we did here when Judy and Dede and Anastasia set it up. There is a program to learn to play on it. But that isn't the most useful part of it because I tried it. I'm not trying to be disrespectful to anybody. I want to see this town succeed. I'm sick of working, but I'm working because I made a promise to the public. And I'm doing my job, and I'm doing it quite the right way, whether anybody likes it or not. But as I stated before, I'm not going to jail for anybody. But you read your state statutes and see what it says. You can't take the treasurer's money, that's in the state statutes. You've already taken twelve thousand two hundred from it. There isn't any more left. That's my treasures and me and our training. Then you, there's nothing in there says about a bookkeeper, and if you don't have that, then you can't touch that money. And that's my understanding, that's right from Augusta and I because I asked the auditor up there, and if it's documented and I've got it on my phone, I took pictures of it and sent it, and I'm not, I'm not looking to be patted on the back. I want to see this town succeed because I've listened for over 20 years of the mess that the water berg limerick books were in, and I saw the fear that was in Laura maze because we have a webmaster that they send out questions once you remember and the whole state answers to it. And you can ask Wade. I asked him if he had any, she had any training. And I said, read the charter, read the books that we have. And you can ask him, I'm not lying, didn't I, Wade? And some of the questions were black and white. And now I'm seeing why. I don't know what the problem was. Laura May knew the laws. I was very honored to work with her and to be with her. But we're seeing everybody makes mistakes, we're all human. I don't have wings and I don't want any for quite a while, but I am willing to work for this town and help you get where you want to be if you want me to. But there's no sense of paying somebody to train somebody that doesn't have a clue what they're doing on TRIO. That's your main lifeline. [3:42:51] Speaker C (unidentified): Julie, my concern is not long ago, we heard the books were balanced. The audit was done, the books were balanced. Now we're hearing the books have never been balanced. [3:43:04] Town Treasurer: They are balanced, but I do not know what the auditor has adjusted. We went through the accounts. That is not to do with me. I'm telling you what the auditor said. [3:43:14] Speaker C (unidentified): Are they balanced or are they not balanced? [3:43:16] Town Treasurer: As far as we know, the 24 is balanced. You won't know anything until Mr. Burke gets in here on the 25. That's why he's not touched, hasn't been touched this. That's why, if I was not concerned, the books are balanced. But there is that proof to prove that something is wrong, but I do not know and I could not find the exact figures in what the auditors have done. [3:43:37] Speaker C (unidentified): All I did was. Okay, you just said that the books were not balanced, so that's why I was confused. [3:43:41] Town Treasurer: No, it was those three audits. Okay. Okay? Okay. As far as I'm concerned, you've signed off on the audits that balance. Mr. Berg will correct it in anything we need for 25 and get you ready for 26. The way he describes it to me, it isn't going to take that long if we work together and I'm planning on doing whatever he needs and be wherever he is to get the paperwork and to his two counterparts that will be working with us so 24 is balanced they closed the audit and balanced it yes sir but I found these after the fact and then 25 is not been done Because they haven't had an auditor, sir. And I will gladly answer any questions you want. No,. But your figures on your money are spot on. Okay. Okay? What I say is in the bank is in the bank. And every woman's son of it. And you're making more interest now on your fire department and CDs than you ever made before. [3:44:46] Speaker B (unidentified): Yeah. We're not going to even talk about the fire department. [3:44:51] Town Treasurer: No, sir, I'm not going to be there. [3:44:53] Speaker F (unidentified): That fire station costs a lot of money. [3:44:55] Town Treasurer: Okay, we need the- I'm sorry that certain don't like it when I speak, but I'm sorry, but it hasn't been brought up and that's what I'm offering. When [3:45:08] Speaker F (unidentified): will we get it, 25 and 26? [3:45:10] Town Treasurer: As soon as the owner gets his stuff, sir. [3:45:12] Transfer Station attendant / Public commenter: Okay, thank you. You're welcome. [3:45:14] Select Board Chair: The whole point of the bookkeeper. But we all know that your term gets done next March. Someone has to take your place. Someone has to be in training, just like we're doing with the town clerk and the tax collector. [3:45:34] Town Treasurer: That isn't quite the same way with what the state law says on who's responsible. [3:45:39] Select Board Chair: Put the state law to one side, Julie. We're talking about individuals coming in here that know what, that we gotta hire people, know what they're doing and get them trained. So when you walk out that door. [3:45:51] Town Treasurer: What did I just say to you? Did you even listen to what I'm offering to help? [3:45:54] Select Board Chair: No, wait a minute, you're offering help. But what happens March 1st or whatever the date is that you say, well, I decided I don't wanna do this anymore. We've gotta have people trained. [3:46:06] Town Treasurer: I can make you a signed contract if you'd like, boss. I'm a lady of my word and I will give my handshake. It doesn't mean everything to everybody out there, but just to me, I am very proud of that fact. [3:46:23] Select Board Chair: All I'm saying is there has to be a transition and we have to have trained people in there to take those positions. [3:46:31] Town Treasurer: Then I'm going to work with the live box because I'm responsible for it and I'm not going to jail. You read everything in MMA and the state statutes. [3:46:45] Select Board Chair: So you're not even remotely interested in even training these people? [3:46:51] Town Treasurer: I am willing to train them once we know we got accurate figures, sir. That's why I'm asking you to- [3:46:56] Select Board Chair: But we have a balanced budget. [3:46:59] Town Treasurer: You've got everything that I've got to give you, working up to 25. I can't swear on 25, I won't put my life on it. [3:47:07] Select Board Chair: I guess we're not going to get anywhere here. Okay, so we'll deal with both the video techs and the bookkeeper interviews in the meantime here. [3:47:25] Speaker C (unidentified): We'll each come with our own list next week. [3:47:27] Speaker G (unidentified): Yeah, and you have in your packets for tonight both all of the bookkeeper ones and all of the video tech together. So you have all of the ones that I have up until tonight I gotta [3:47:50] Select Board Chair: say [3:48:01] Speaker L (unidentified): These chairs, like sitting in the church, so the getting back to the road safe traffic road safety ordinance, which was enacted in 2023. The main reason was is because there was contractors damaging roads, and we need to clarify the responsibility of contractors and independent people damaging the roads. The towns and municipalities are not obligated to pay for the damages. People doing work are liable and responsible. It also clarified the sidewalks, crosswalks, which Main Street was all redeveloped by Main dot. They still have not put the crosswalks in and the signs in that they need to do. We have a continuing problem with the duncan crosswalk, and it is blind during bad weather, so we're addressing those. The issue with duncan wasn't duncan themselves, but the engineers that developed the concept plan presented to the town a whole different picture without presenting a final plan. So when people looked at a concept plan, which you can see one there for a parking lot along the wall, it was very colorful. It showed granite curbing. It showed concrete sidewalks. It did not show any mailboxes, which under federal USPS standards, a mailbox or any other obstruction cannot be in the sidewalk without a three-foot clearance. So what happened is to try and accommodate and quiet people down in the rush to get the sidewalk in, because the contractor was the developer was paying contractor rates on a loan, the choice was either get the sidewalk in or we weren't going to allow dunkin donuts to open for another year. We were hoping to work with the water district at the time. We were going to put the monies in escrow, the monies that was an escrow, and the cost to do the project at that time would have paved a pocket area for the ballpark, it would have paved for paving that's park street, which the town did anyway, and the paving or the concrete work for the sidewalk. It didn't work that way because the water lines and the sewer lines didn't fall into place, and there was a hiccup, and i believe, and i can be corrected, that grant was denied because of a timeline or something, so that didn't happen. The sidewalk went in, the cards put the sidewalk in, and when they put the mailbox in, which wasn't supposed to be there, i think Howard and Bernie and John and I, along with Maine D.O.T. and a representative from Duncan, were there. What they did is they altered the width of the sidewalk to accommodate a three-foot area around the sidewalk around the post. They also widened the walkway to the individual's home. So when they do it again this year, they cannot widen or alter the sidewalk. It needs to go back to its original width as designed. In this, it just, what I did is as I updated it, and it needed to be updated because you did a new winter closing list last year. That list was incorrect with some of the information it was on it, nothing critical, but this will supersede it, and it already had it in it, but it gives the correct points of where you plow to because we haven't reached extending any more of the plow points yet. This does explain by UPS main DOT standards that no obstruction can be placed in the sidewalk without a town official or the road commissioner's guidance or authority. Authority. So that's what it did. It starts on page eight of what I presented to you. The homeowner was given the letter and I did meet with him in August of last year. I sent you a copy of that letter. But if the mailbox was knocked over or removed, it cannot go back. It is an obstruction. It's a visual obstruction, especially for people crossing the road, and you just can't have it, as well as the hazards with snow removal equipment. As much as we'd like to say we can maneuver them and get around them, it is another obstacle. So that is what this is. This little blue tag is where it starts with the revised amended section, and the signature page for the select board is in the back, and it then it can be attested by the clerk, but the select board has in the past voted on this in previous two previous times, June 20th of 2023, revised August 12th to 2024, and now this would be September 22nd 2026 if you decide to vote and approve. I [3:53:35] Speaker C (unidentified): will make a motion to. Shouldn't we all read this? Oh, you guys haven't read that? [3:53:40] Speaker L (unidentified): Sorry, he emailed this. So yeah, I did email it. The only thing that's been added is, like I said, the UPS. I got it. [3:53:55] Speaker C (unidentified): I would make a motion that we approve the revised and updated traffic and road safety [3:54:02] Speaker B (unidentified): ordinance. We cannot update ordinances. It has to be a policy. I'm sorry, ordinances have to go to a [3:54:09] Speaker L (unidentified): town vote we can only no this is not this is by the select board it is under the authority of the select board there are certain ordinances the statue allows the select board and it was previously signed by the select board it has been vetted by the town attorney which i omitted to tell you that in all three occasions including this time ben has looked at it and verified the verbiage and references to certain statutes are there so but the board is authorized to sign it [3:54:42] Speaker F (unidentified): All [3:54:47] Speaker B (unidentified): Right, I guess you can finish the motion for the third time. Sorry, ditto. No. [3:54:55] Speaker C (unidentified): I would make a motion that we approve and sign the revised traffic and road safety ordinance. [3:55:13] Speaker F (unidentified): That's one of the few pieces of email that we get that really makes sense. [3:55:22] Speaker L (unidentified): And again, anytime there's any questions, you know, I am open to explain anything, whether it's at the meeting or individually, but we do try to make sure that the town is protected, and this was one of the things because the town in the Select Board, and this was before I came on board, was misled by a conceptual plan and it created a lot of different potential liabilities for the town. So once you sign it, just like Courtney have it, she'll have DD attested afterwards. But if you see anything else or have any other questions, this is something you can amend. Anything else? I'd be happy to talk for another hour if you'd like. [3:56:12] Speaker E (unidentified): You already gave me a headache this week, go sit down. Oh, that's another meeting. No, but thank you. [3:56:32] Select Board Chair: We are sending notice of an intent regarding a personal matter. A motion to send this? So moved. Second. All those in favor? Opposed? Okay. Council for ZBA. Lori, have you? [3:56:57] Speaker C (unidentified): So the Board of Appeals has decided that they really want new council. Council. I spoke with Ben about this and his suggestion was that we go ahead and as a board decide whether or not we want to do that, we don't have to assign them new council. Council, but he said if the Board of Appeals is not going to accept guidance from Ben's office, then it's going to be a waste of the town's money to have them represent the Board of Appeals. So I would, I would make a motion that we go ahead and try to locate new council for the Board of Appeals for when it becomes necessary. I would second that motion. Okay, we moved and [3:58:11] Select Board Chair: seconded. All those in favor, you [3:58:19] Speaker C (unidentified): guys want me to call, do you want me to call around, make the calls to see who's available? [3:58:28] Select Board Chair: Does Ben have any recommendations? [3:58:30] Speaker C (unidentified): He had, he had a few recommendations so I can give them a call and have them run their conflict check and Perfect. But I, but I do, I do want to make sure that it's understood this is the last appointment for Council for the Board of Appeals. Yep. Do [3:58:59] Speaker F (unidentified): I agree that Lori should just, so we're all in agreement that Lori move forward and reaching out to other council. I'll [3:59:12] Speaker C (unidentified): take care of that this week and hopefully have something figured out by next week. [3:59:19] Select Board Chair: Okay next opening the heating oil bids. [3:59:23] Speaker G (unidentified): We didn't get any. So do you guys want me to put it back out for another two weeks? [3:59:28] Speaker C (unidentified): Do we want to send out invitation to bids, send them out to companies? [3:59:32] Speaker B (unidentified): I think we're going to have to. I don't know. I think we should. In the past, since I've been on the board, we've only gotten one company that responded and it was a local family owned one and that one's been purchased. So I don't know if their bid guy probably doesn't get the shopping guide. [3:59:50] Select Board Chair: I think the problem, the reason why maybe we didn't get any responders because of the oil price increases that they're having right now, and they don't want to stick their neck out too far. Yeah. [4:00:01] Speaker C (unidentified): I think it's just more right now is their busy time, too, and they're not watching the paper for who to bid on, or who to send bids in, too. [4:00:10] Speaker G (unidentified): I will say that I did email it to two companies and did not hear back. So it didn't just go in the paper. It did get emailed to two companies, and I have not heard back, so I can follow up with them. [4:00:28] Speaker C (unidentified): No she did not get one. No I haven't gotten any. [4:00:33] Speaker B (unidentified): I said in the past we've only gotten one. [4:00:38] Speaker G (unidentified): So I emailed it to two companies. I did not hear back from either company. So we did not get any bids. So I don't know if you want me to follow up and put it back out for two weeks, or just follow up? [4:00:55] Select Board Chair: I would send the e-mails out to the companies that service this area. [4:01:02] Speaker C (unidentified): Okay, so- And follow up with the ones that you did send it out to. [4:01:08] Speaker G (unidentified): Okay, so if I do that, when do you want me to have them back? In two weeks? [4:01:16] Speaker H (unidentified): weeks or next week or well yeah I mean if you go too long we don't want to go to [4:01:25] Speaker B (unidentified): no the heating season technically starts October 1st well Eastern was here today servicing [4:01:30] Speaker C (unidentified): equipment I'd [4:01:33] Select Board Chair: say if their email if they're emailed they 're going to be responding within a week chances are I'd say email and say we have to have your response within a [4:01:46] Speaker H (unidentified): week okay yeah for next week's meeting are they going to be allowed to email us their proposals [4:01:54] Speaker C (unidentified): Or do they have to mail them? Because if they have to mail them, that could put a delay on it. I mean, I think it would be safe to go two weeks, just because we are still under [4:02:14] Speaker D (unidentified): through the end of the month with Eastern, so go just because of the mailing situation. Okay. [4:02:25] Speaker G (unidentified): So by the 6th? Yes. Okay. Please. Okay. I can do that. I will do that tomorrow. [4:02:33] Select Board Chair: I got one thing on the new business, Howard. They overhang on the back of the Bricktown Hall. I went up there today. Ricky let me in there. Before, I didn't know what, hadn't heard anything about the insurance claim on that. And before we can have a new building, to look at that we have to have a electrician remove all the wire around the door so they could pull the paneling off to see how bad the, I don't know if everybody's gone, I've looked at it, my opinion is I'll say little damage compared to what we've got up there. I would say they take the roof off and leave it there. Because that doesn't get used every day. It's storage. Back when that was put up, there was a fire department that was in there going in and out, of time. I'd say, take it off. And if there's gotta be some patching done in the water joints or whatever, just do it and seal it up. Because the doorways haven't been affected on that, because once you get in there you're going to get a can of worms with you with masonry and electricity. But this is what I was going to say, I guess it's not costing us anything, it's insurance. Well on, I was the last time I heard Carol Materials was going to come up and redo the whole thing. Well I think that Carol Materials is [4:04:17] Speaker D (unidentified): just waiting for us, they're waiting for us to give them a bill and we can't and then nobody [4:04:22] Select Board Chair: can look at it and talk about telling them you get it fixed but [4:04:29] Speaker C (unidentified): it's up to us to find the people to do the fixing. They get a master electrician, why don't they have, why would they have their own [4:04:37] Select Board Chair: insurance company come up and these insurance companies have contractors that work right with [4:04:44] Speaker F (unidentified): them that's [4:04:49] Speaker C (unidentified): what i do so courtney do you want to do you want to contact all state see who their insurances and. [4:05:00] Speaker G (unidentified): So with that, I was working with MMA insurance and so what happens is we're at a standstill with our insurance because they will go up, they will go to Allstate to get reimbursed for it. But we have to get estimates before MMA can do anything. So that's what we're. [4:05:26] Speaker C (unidentified): Would we bypass MMA and just go straight to Allstate's insurance? [4:05:33] Speaker G (unidentified): I would have to check with who I've been working with at MMA. [4:05:38] Select Board Chair: At this time, Allstate has no doubt put in an insurance claim. I know I've worked with a lot of insurance companies in the past and they just say, [4:05:52] Speaker I (unidentified): do it and bill us. Right, but. [4:05:56] Select Board Chair: And this is no different. If we could get somebody up there to look at it, to see it on the building, but that needs to be taken down and, I don't know, put it in the old fire station or whatever. But when we looked at it, Ricky and I looked at it today, if you put two pieces on each side, you could hold it together for the winter if you weren't going to fix it or if there was some holdup on the insurance. But before we get snow, which will probably be in a couple weeks, we really ought to take that off. In a couple of weeks. Bite your tongue! You wait. You wait. It's almost Freiburg Fair, Howard. It snows up there every year. I didn't say it was going to stay up there. [4:06:38] Speaker I (unidentified): You've got to be a master electrician and look at it tomorrow. [4:06:45] Select Board Chair: So we'll just find out what MMA has to say and then we'll go from there. [4:06:51] Speaker C (unidentified): You're All-States Insurance? Huh? MMA or All-States Insurance? No. [4:06:56] Select Board Chair: I mean, you want to call All-State tomorrow, right? All-State. [4:07:01] Speaker C (unidentified): See if we can go that route. I mean, either way, whoever, you know, the insurance company is going to want estimates for costs for fixing. [4:07:14] Speaker G (unidentified): So. So either way, we need an estimate. Yes. Yes, we do. [4:07:21] Speaker F (unidentified): If damage was done to the building, insurance is there to repair the damage, to restore the building to where it was before the accident happened. I think that taking the roof off is just, it's not what the Township want. I mean, the insurance is going to pay to restore the building prior to the incident and that's the route we need to look at so [4:08:01] Speaker C (unidentified): do you want to do, we want to advertise and not necessarily looking for bids but, or I don't know, calling in contractors for quotes, throwing it out on Facebook that we're looking for, you know, quotes to repair that, you know, general contractors, whatever, electricians, whatever, that whatever the case may be, that we need to, you know, provide us with a quote for the [4:08:37] Speaker D (unidentified): repairs. Oh, here we go, it's wicked. I'm surprised they haven't sent an adjuster out yet. I am also. [4:08:46] Speaker I (unidentified): All States was on top of that and after the accident. I think we need to contact Charlotte because I think Charlotte was up there and Mike was up there too. We moved forward on All States. I think they're well aware of it and I think they want to get it taken care of. [4:09:06] Speaker H (unidentified): I think they want to get it taken care of, yeah. [4:09:07] Speaker I (unidentified): That was the intent when it happened. [4:09:10] Select Board Chair: I'd say start with them, and we'll go from there. [4:09:13] Speaker I (unidentified): Okay. I don't think we ought to take it down just yet until we hear from them and their insurance company. [4:09:19] Select Board Chair: Because... I was saying just from a structural standpoint, Ricky. That's right. [4:09:25] Speaker C (unidentified): So how about this? Courtney, can you contact Allstate, get their insurance carrier information, any information they can give you, contact them, see what they need from the town to get this repaired. [4:09:41] Select Board Chair: You want to get an adjuster on here. [4:09:52] Speaker G (unidentified): Yeah, I will do that. Thank you. [4:09:54] Select Board Chair: They just cut you, they don't just cut your check. [4:09:58] Speaker I (unidentified): You got to fight with them. That's a given. [4:10:02] Select Board Chair: All right. Okay, next. Next. We need a vote, for basically an access agreement for cutting down two trees. [4:10:24] Speaker C (unidentified): I've,... Oh, that's right. [4:10:27] Select Board Chair: Right. Everybody's read that. [4:10:29] Speaker B (unidentified): Yep. I make a motion we sign the land use agreement for the removal of the trees at the Highland Cemetery. [4:10:36] Select Board Chair: Second. Okay. Move and second. All those in favor? Opposed? Okay, next. Appointments and resignations. Edgerly applied for appointment to the Board of Appeals. [4:11:09] Speaker B (unidentified): Comments? Nope. We have to make a motion in order to, go forward. So I'd make a motion to appoint Donald Edgerly to the Board of Appeals. [4:11:27] Speaker C (unidentified): And then we'd need a second. I will second it for discussion purposes. [4:11:30] Speaker D (unidentified): This is after rumors [4:11:38] Speaker C (unidentified): that I heard this weekend and after having said rumors confirmed I cannot in good conscience support the appointment I [4:12:04] Speaker B (unidentified): mean Laura you shared that I agree with that statement pretty well I yeah I want [4:12:16] Speaker C (unidentified): to know what the rumors are? The rumors were about contacting legal counsel to sue the town for a non-appointment. That rumor is lying. Well it was confirmed with the person that it was said directly to. [4:12:32] Public commenter: Oh really? Yes. Well I live with that person that would have said that and I know if he said that if he was serious you guys would have been served already. Well if he wasn't served as whether he [4:12:44] Speaker C (unidentified): whether he was serious or not, it was said. Even if he, even if it was. [4:12:49] Select Board Chair: Words, just words mean something to them? [4:12:51] Public commenter: This is how you're gonna get around it with all the relatives and the sons and the daughters on a passports all these years and this is how you're going to do it? You really, you gotta come up with something better than that, Laurie. [4:13:05] Speaker C (unidentified): We actually do not have to have a reason. [4:13:08] Transfer Station attendant / Public commenter: Oh, you don't, okay. [4:13:09] Speaker E (unidentified): Oh, we don't. Fine. But that, but. [4:13:12] Public commenter: And you sit here and you ask for people to be on your board don't Cheryl me I'm talking excuse me [4:13:22] Speaker D (unidentified): All right let's keep it civil I will if I can talk yeah let's go [4:13:29] Public commenter: Okay, please, okay, go ahead, thank you. Week after week after week, you want somebody on a board and someone comes up that has lived here for 76 years. He's a veteran, he's a very well-known man, and he is honest, and you have a rumor that he's gonna sue somebody. I think that's disgusting. And this town wants people on a board, they want it for nothing, but they don't want certain people. If your name's not spelt right, you can't do it. Well, you know, that's pathetic. People turn on people very quickly, don't they? Nope, I am NOT a rumor. You're just not gonna confirm him on a rumor because someone said something. Well, I guess you're listening to the wrong people. And how would you, of all people, have known him for years? And you, Jerry, just because other ones don't like him, that's no, just because you, if you don't like a personality, it's no reason to not confirm someone that would be good at their job. To [4:14:47] Speaker C (unidentified): address that, I heard it from an outside source. I received a phone call Monday morning from the person that it was said directly to, tell me that happened. [4:15:03] Public commenter: And who was that? [4:15:05] Speaker C (unidentified): I am not disclosing, I'm not- [4:15:07] Public commenter: Yeah,, okay, yeah. You work for the public. [4:15:10] Select Board Chair: You work for us. [4:15:12] Speaker F (unidentified): Howard, fuck you. [4:15:15] Speaker B (unidentified): That's enough. I'm sick of you, Howard. [4:15:17] Select Board Chair: Either knock it off or get out. [4:15:21] Public commenter: What do you need to do? [4:15:23] Select Board Chair: I can have it removed. You make the choice. Make the choice. If [4:15:36] Public commenter: someone's being accused of something, they have the right to be known who is accusing them. And you sit there and say you're not going to say. [4:15:46] Speaker E (unidentified): Not at a public meeting, I will tell you outside of this. Absolutely. Why not at public meeting? He's [4:15:51] Public commenter: being accused of something in, on a public meeting, and that's only Cheryl. I preferred not to even say. [4:15:58] Speaker E (unidentified): You pushed it, you want to know, that's what happened. I, on one person's rumor. Oh boy, you [4:16:06] Public commenter: guys are really hurting. I [4:16:15] Speaker C (unidentified): would make a motion. Oh, sorry. Oh, that's right, we're still on this. I'll [4:16:19] Select Board Chair: just i'll just put it out i 've known donald to grow up together i really i tell him right to his face who said i don't think he's a good fit for this board but that's my opinion one [4:16:40] Speaker F (unidentified): person out of 3,200 people. Thanks, [4:16:45] Speaker H (unidentified): Howard. Any [4:16:50] Speaker C (unidentified): more discussion after [4:16:54] Public commenter: he supported you free for this election, you ought to hang your heads in shame. [4:17:02] Select Board Chair: Cheryl, we have to do what's in the, what we feel is in the best interest of the town. [4:17:06] Public commenter: Why wouldn't he be in the best interest? One rumor? You gotta come up with more than that, Howard. You gotta, it's pathetic. [4:17:14] Select Board Chair: I'm not working on rumors. [4:17:18] Public commenter: And you don't think he would fit into this? [Select Board Chair: I really don't.] Well, you didn't have an opinion, but that's my opinion. Yeah. [4:17:27] Speaker H (unidentified): Got it, 3,200 people. [4:17:30] Select Board Chair: Okay, so we want to vote on this. Okay, all in favor of Donald going on the appeals board? [4:17:45] Public commenter: What was that count, five? Oh, was it no one? [4:17:55] Speaker B (unidentified): Okay, next item, correspondence. Anything? We did, I don't know if we all got a copy of it, but I got a letter from an ongoing issue on Foss Road. It was also emailed to us, Roger. Yeah. [4:18:14] Select Board Chair: Went down and met with him. Yeah, I've talked it over with Ricky as far as what we've got, a proposal, and since I've looked at it again down there, we got a problem with the telephone pole. I think maybe we have to go on alternate route, but it's going to be a case of going down there looking at it. There's no sense in trying to describe it here tonight. I know it's been discussed before with Steven years ago, but it's maybe going across a couple of driveways. It's gonna be deep and maybe it's, I'm saying maybe it's a better alternative, but it's piping and everything involved. There's two issues. If you go towards Stevens on that end, on the west side, you know, we were out there looking at that, how the driveways we had a tree that was questionable would probably come down right there's two houses across the street well the one thing i don't know is what's the difference in elevation from where the lowest part of that ditch is causing the problems across from lovelies and if we go up that route i believe that trip that empties down on his land in that gully There's a little roadway past Rogers heading towards Stevens, and I'm wondering if by putting a large culvert in there, something that's a fairly good size to take the water, that we could dig down and carry the water down to that end, as opposed to going down in front of where all his gardens are, which would have to put in a stump, some kind of a tank, and then pipe it. And from what the last discussion I had with Roger, which was a couple of weeks ago, he was saying that the people that abut him on the east side said that they would allow water to be drained around the property. Now, I haven't talked to those people. I don't know that. But I think we really got to look at it, because that telephone pole, if you go any digging any close to it, that's going to come down. [4:20:54] Speaker I (unidentified): Well, I'd like to be included on some of these conversations, because I feel like I'm getting left out. Well, I read a letter that was addressed to Stan, and I've stopped there numerous times, and I have not seen any erosion at all. He mentioned putting a pipe in underneath the stall wall, and he's got a septic system there from that little garage he's got, his little workshop. To do what you're proposing to do is quite an extensive project. [4:21:28] Select Board Chair: Oh, I didn't say it was a small job. [4:21:29] Speaker I (unidentified): But my thought is, where's this erosion that's in this letter? I haven't seen any erosion. [4:21:38] Select Board Chair: If you walk parallel with his stone wall, you'll see where the ground is settling. It's filtering down through the stone that Steven and your dad put in there years ago. [4:21:52] Speaker I (unidentified): That's what's happening. And it's still working though. There's no erosion going on there. [4:22:00] Speaker B (unidentified): I definitely think that this is a bigger discussion. [4:22:03] Speaker I (unidentified): I think we ought to all take a field trip on it and take a look at this because I stopped in the pouring rain. I've seen it in the spring. [4:22:11] Select Board Chair: But there's no outflow from that. When you come across his side of the road [4:22:15] Speaker I (unidentified): on that culvert. That's why they put that retention area with all that stone in there. [4:22:19] Select Board Chair: I'm wondering, and this is just a theory, if that retention area has the spines have filtered down in there and clogging that. [4:22:31] Speaker I (unidentified): It is. You're 100% correct. [4:22:35] Select Board Chair: So if that's the case, then there is your problem. And the water is making their way under his land and that's where... [4:22:43] Speaker I (unidentified): Do you understand why these fines are getting into that stone? Because that stone was all rip-wrapped like when you see it on the shoulder of a road. It's all exposed. He did not want to look at that rip-wrap. That problem could be corrected simply. You excavate all that riprap out, you put brand new riprap in it, and you leave it and don't cover it. Riprap doesn't work if you bury it. It only works if it's exposed so it can drain. [4:23:19] Select Board Chair: He was accused, I guess, of filling that in which he, your brother said he didn't fill it in. Your brother sat right here one night after me and told me he didn't fill it in. And so, I don't know, I wasn't there. All I know is we got a problem and. [4:23:35] Speaker C (unidentified): So instead of spending thousands and thousands on. [Speaker B (unidentified): Private property.] On private property and culverts and why not just redo the retention with the rip rap. [4:23:51] Speaker I (unidentified): If we start excavating next to that road, you start disturbing that. We're gonna open up a can of worms and now the shoulder's gonna. we offered to fix it but he wasn't happy with it you exactly just said you open this all up it lasted almost 12 years you open it up put fresh rip rap in there the water goes in there what's a retention pond to it lets the water seep back into the ground I just think we've got to do something that's gonna [4:24:25] Speaker C (unidentified): be lasting. I think it will last as long as it's not buried. [4:24:31] Speaker F (unidentified): That was the, that was the intent of [4:24:33] Speaker C (unidentified): the catch patient when it was originally installed. And I think if we do that and document,, document exactly what was done. Photos for the files, everything so that we know exactly what was done. [4:24:49] Speaker B (unidentified): I don't know, maybe I have to go view it in person. He has invited me but I, haven't gone down but I can't I don't know there's a gully right in front of my driveway that backs up and I wouldn't expect the town to come and fix my private property or what the street culvert is causing damage to my I bought the house it's yeah I it's gonna be something amazing to justify spending taxpayer dollars on a private residence lawn. [4:25:20] Speaker C (unidentified): Oh, I'm not, I'm not. I'm just talking in the easement, the rip rap. Just the rip rap area. [4:25:26] Speaker B (unidentified): Okay, but he's talking about, I mean, he basically said in that letter that. [4:25:30] Speaker C (unidentified): Yeah, he's gonna have a bunch of landscaping done. [4:25:32] Speaker B (unidentified): We're gonna have landscaping done and he. What the cost is. I can't, no. [4:25:37] Select Board Chair: I went over there four years ago and I looked at it and I said, you know, Roger, I said, a lot of us in town have culverts that drain onto our property. I said hundreds and hundreds and I said I have some that drain onto our property that I would like to get away with too but I said they were there before we were here and a lot's been a lot's been done on that lawn since that culvert was put in yeah [4:26:05] Speaker B (unidentified): I mean he put right in this letter I know the departments are preparing budgets right now and hope this work isn't budgeted in for his lawn repair and we don't repair persons we don't repair if so I'll get a quote from my driveway if you go back several years that culvert before [4:26:27] Speaker I (unidentified): He bought the abutting property there was a road going down towards the river and that water discharged down beside that driveway that was a long time ago and Stan has copies of it. So, my father and brother, to accommodate Roger, said, this is what we'll do. We'll excavate a great big trench, we'll fill it in with stone, make a retention area. For the last, I'll say 10 years, I'll be conservative, it hasn't been a problem, and now it's a big problem. I don't see any erosion, but I don't have a problem rebuilding that retention area, excavating all the dirty material up putting some fresh stuff in there and if you if you keep it clean there's one on Pickle Pond that's been there for 30 years there was a huge puddle beside the road no place for the water to go they excavated the ditch they built a dry well to this day it still works if the debris and the leaves and everything can stay off the top of it 'll work effectively it's one of those things where you've got to keep it clean you just in the fall you've got to rake the leaves off it 's a maintenance thing it's like a dirt road a dirt driveway you got to keep up with it this is a drainage issue and you're right I tried to we tried to resolve the problem I get yelled at I walked away it's like I don't have a problem helping you out Roger, I don't have a problem with that. I'm not gonna, I don't think digging 150, 200 feet inside the road is gonna solve his problem. [4:28:20] Speaker C (unidentified): I,, I think we should go with the suggested, with Ricky's suggested. [4:28:31] Speaker I (unidentified): It's been suggested in the past, but it's not what he wants. [4:28:34] Speaker C (unidentified): And, I, you know, and I understand that and I feel his pain. I do, I would love for the town to come in and fix the edges of my property [4:28:47] Speaker E (unidentified): where it comes close to the roads. That would be amazing. Huh? It's in your car. [4:28:55] Speaker C (unidentified): Your husband's upset. Your husband's upset. I also want reclaim on my driveway. Sure. [4:29:01] Speaker H (unidentified): I already did that too. [4:29:03] Speaker C (unidentified): Because the town of Limerick's rain makes a muddy mess. [4:29:12] Speaker B (unidentified): Where are we? [4:29:13] Select Board Chair: We've gotta come to a resolution on this. [4:29:16] Speaker C (unidentified): that's what we're going to come to i say we retrench it and put fresh rip rap and document and let roger know that he needs to upkeep maintain keep it clean well [4:29:33] Speaker I (unidentified): it's in the town right away so i think it's gonna be a mutual thing [4:29:37] Speaker E (unidentified): we push we blow all the leaves under it he [4:29:41] Speaker C (unidentified): breaks it out no i'm kidding i'm kidding that was that was bad joke but no i mean i think if we redo that retention pond i think that would if it's maintained it should work for a long time [4:30:02] Speaker D (unidentified): We're going to have to do it again in 12 years, but well, if it gets filled in, we'll at least [4:30:07] Speaker C (unidentified): have photos and documentation of the fact that the town did not fill it in. It is on an easement. [4:30:15] Speaker F (unidentified): Our road commissioner is our road commissioner. He's elected to the position because we trust his judgment and his expertise, many years of repairing roads here in the town of Limerick. He knows the condition, knows to repair. My background and my father's life long experience in construction, I can't help but agree with the road commissioner, and that is the logical solution. It's on a town easement. If the, if the catch basin that was built with riprap is clogged, let's dig it out, restore it, photo it and move forward. Are [4:31:12] Speaker I (unidentified): y'all going to share? Should we get together, Howard, and just present it, just say, hey, this is what we'd like to do to help you out. [4:31:20] Speaker C (unidentified): Or this is what we're willing to do? [4:31:23] Speaker I (unidentified): I mean, it's in the town right away, so... You told him that before. You know, like I said, you know, we'll work with you, but some of his, some of his ideas was a little, you know... Backstravagan? [4:31:39] Select Board Chair: Should we go over there, you and I, and talk to him? Or should the whole board go over there and Ricky? [4:31:45] Speaker C (unidentified): Well, we can't do it as a whole board because that's a quorum and we would have to record it and post it. Go [4:31:58] Select Board Chair: inspect trucks and stuff. Yeah, you get that right multiple times. [4:32:04] Speaker D (unidentified): I mean, I've already seen it, so I have to, it's not like we're going to rebuild a road or something. [4:32:12] Speaker I (unidentified): When you get ready to go over, I'll take a ride with you. [4:32:24] Speaker C (unidentified): I mean, I know, I know he wants this extravagant culvert across the street and down the hill and, but that's just not, it's not a reasonable fix. Nope. [4:32:41] Speaker B (unidentified): Discharging water. Sorry to bring up the ladder. [4:32:46] Select Board Chair: Not close to the, any further towards the river. [4:32:51] Speaker C (unidentified): So, I mean, it's, you know, you guys can discuss it. My suggestion would be you guys, Howard and Rick, you guys meet with him, give him his proposal. We put it in writing. We mail him what we're willing to do. [4:33:08] Speaker B (unidentified): I don't think it's a thing of what we're willing to, like if the town's culvert or easement is in deficiency, we'll email or we can send him a letter and say, this is what we are going to do to fix the problem. That's all we're doing. There's an issue, yes, but I 'm, yeah, I'm not paying his bill for his landscaping. No, I was just looking from down the road. Yeah, no, it's just that's what he said in the letter was the next [4:33:39] Select Board Chair: amount of years and let's say it's it's filled in whatever if we could cut if there's a way we can get a permanent fix to this thing and keep our cost down we'd probably be way ahead of the game. But we'll go over and talk to him again, look at it. [4:33:56] Speaker I (unidentified): I think he just wants an input on what we can do to work with him. So I think that would be reasonable, so. [4:34:06] Select Board Chair: Okay, we'll make an attempt. Okay, thank you. Okay. Thank you, Ricky. Okay. Thank you, Brady. Do I hear a motion to adjourn? So moved. [4:34:18] Speaker I (unidentified): Second. I've got a quick question, nothing to do with what we discussed. [4:34:23] Transfer Station attendant / Public commenter: I've got to do a good presentation. [4:34:25] Town Treasurer: Is an answer yes, no, or tomorrow? [4:34:28] Select Board Chair: Okay, make it quick. Yes, sir. [4:34:31] Town Treasurer: Okay, number one, do you folks have all the materials that you need for the contracting of your sidewalks and your plowing? Their first payment is next week. And I have no way of knowing if everything has met, if you've got all your documentations. If you folks would please let me know by Friday, it would be awesome, number one. Number two, I need to know, Courtney found me the EPL percentages that they were putting in. But I need to know the percentages for the PFML. that's what the governor mandated that we do for medical leave for people it's a certain percentage but i don't believe it's in the system the way it's supposed to be isn't it one percent yes but who's doing what is the town paying the whole one percent [4:35:25] Speaker C (unidentified): the town the town was paying the full one the town voted to have that isn't the way it's being [4:35:33] Town Treasurer: being coded, so if I could get that in writing when it was put in Word so that we can have it in our files with the payroll. And number two, Howard, you're still using your old phone number? Because your 806 number is on the Facebook, on your website page. [4:35:52] Select Board Chair: Yeah, I know. So I'm still using the old one. I thought you were. We just can't get the things to work. [4:35:57] Town Treasurer: Okay, thank you. That's it. So [4:36:04] Speaker C (unidentified): moved, adjourned, seconded. [4:36:06] Select Board Chair: Moved and seconded to adjourn. All those in favor? Good night.