Union Select Board Approves Cemetery Mapping, Traffic Study, Bridge Permit

[0:04] Chair (Select Board Chair): It's so long that the coffee is going to run, and then it's just going to be toast. Okay, we're all set. We can all join me for the Pledge of Allegiance. [0:12] Speaker B (unidentified): Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [0:23] Chair (Select Board Chair): All right. Thank you, John, for coming. We'll start off with opening up the public hearing for General Assistance Ordinance and Appendices. [0:34] Select Board member: I'll make a motion to open the hearing on General Assistance and Ordinance and Appendices. [0:39] Chair (Select Board Chair): All in favor? Second. Okay, yes, please stay. All in favor? Any other discussion on that first? [0:46] Speaker D (unidentified): 4-A-I, who had the second? [0:49] Chair (Select Board Chair): Steve had the second. Okay, thank you. I just want to go back. Okay, any questions on general assistance ordinances and dependencies? John, you got anything? No, I'm all good. Anybody here have any? No major changes? [1:04] Speaker D (unidentified): No. And just for the camera, I put this, really it's, this is something that's handed down from the state. It's calculated. You are just physically approving what has been put in place for maximums. [1:16] Speaker E (unidentified): It does say that we can adjust those maximums, but we have to be within a certain range or something. [1:24] Speaker F (unidentified): I think you have to send paperwork to Martha to request that. Yeah, I know. Yeah, [1:30] Speaker D (unidentified): I mean, past practices you've just stayed in the range that you want to, because then I think you have to go through and justify why you're bringing it down. [1:37] Speaker E (unidentified): I expect, yeah. Yeah, it's too bad. [1:43] Chair (Select Board Chair): We do have a memo here from Stacy that has the language updated. Does anybody have any questions or comments on it? There's none here. We didn't receive any in advance. Okay. We have a motion to approve the General [2:02] Select Board member: Assistance Ordinances. I make a motion that we approve the General Assistance ordinances that we have in place you say and dependencies and dependencies [2:13] Chair (Select Board Chair): second any other questions comments on that all in favor okay I'll give you [2:21] Speaker D (unidentified): that is you'll have to sign that tonight I'm saying this out loud more myself but there are besides regular payroll stuff there's four documents on [2:30] Chair (Select Board Chair): the sign this evening so and we need to close that public hearing should we [2:38] Select Board member: we close the public hearing on General Assistance Ordinance and Appendices. [2:44] Chair (Select Board Chair): Second. All in favor of closing the public hearing? Okay. Move on with housekeeping. Approved minutes of Tuesday, September 15, 2026. Do we have a motion to approve? So moved. I heard Martha first. Do you second that? Second. Okay. And questions, comments on the minutes as we receive them? All in favor of the minutes as presented? Next we move on to approve treasurer's warrants. We'll start with the payroll for September 24th. So moved. You don't have second. Oh, September 20th. Yeah, the fourth of October first. Those are just the letting them know those were signed by you. This new method, it'll get to you. Yeah, we'll get there. I'm gonna make a note on that just to announce that those were already. Okay, how about for the payroll for October 8th, 2026. Second. Any questions on the payroll for October 8th? All in favor. Okay, what the AP warrant for October 6th? Second. Move. Seconded. Questions on the AP warrant? We do have a change list, pretty long change list. I have a question. The loader payment for the JCB loader should be our last one. That's that [4:09] Speaker D (unidentified): is the last one. That's crazy. Stacy was calling JCB today to confirm that and get a final document for the file. That went pretty fast. Yeah, and again, that was the one that had multiple payments going for a little bit, but that should be the last of it. [4:27] Chair (Select Board Chair): Any other questions? Anything jump out at anyone? It's quiet time of year. Yeah. Anybody's got any other questions? All in favor of the AP Warren as presented? Okay. Move on. Next we have authorized use of cemetery reserve funds for the mapping project, and correct me if I'm wrong, Todd, this is the cemetery reserve that we carved out just this year, correct? [4:56] Select Board member: Yes, so that was approved at your June warrant. [4:59] Speaker D (unidentified): You carved out a total of $30,000 out of the cemetery trust funds as we look at perpetual care, and this is one of the project we talked about initiating first with these funds. [5:12] Chair (Select Board Chair): Can you, I got to see that in the office, can you kind of give people a rundown on what that mapping does, because it's pretty impressive. [5:18] Speaker D (unidentified): Yeah, so like most towns, we have five cemeteries and our mapping is all over the place. This is just, I'm passing it so you guys can see, that was in your packet, but some of the original documents on the back have taped together newspapers and placemats that are drawn over the centuries. And so how that's been put together, and so we've been working upstairs about updating our CryptKeeper software. That's crazy. But to be able to give something for the committee, which has been doing some great work, as well as Myrna, our cemetery director, and our staff upstairs, but more importantly for the next generation, we're proposing spending just over 19,000 to have Garley Dorsky, which was doing a lot of our work, they will take all five cemeteries, they will GPS every headstone and marker in all five cemeteries, then they will put a staff member on the ground and get the coordinate, the name on the stone, to the GPS. Coordinate it, and all that will get put into your Excel database for every cemetery, and so eventually when we add it, once Myrna adds another cemetery or somebody else, you can search through that database and everything is there. So we'll gather, let's say in 2027 she does 20 burials, we'll pin those and take that work, and then eventually we can just keep updating these maps. That work will be available to be sent to Leticia with the state. I started with the county And if you go to Camden main cemetery and I did find the search feature If you search Camden main cemeteries It pulls up their cemetery map and the cemeteries there in multiple sections and you can click on it find the name so I could put in Sousa and it'll take me to the stone so somebody's looking for a loved one or a different piece part you know it's all and then it's an on a digital map on their website. That's awesome. Who's what? Town and Camden. But Leticia from the, from the Knox County GIS coordinator, she's putting that together for them, and so we've been working in the background to kind of get that, so once this data is done she can download it in the map fields and we can start working on having that. And the price [7:38] Speaker G (unidentified): And the price was, for all that work, I thought it was pretty reasonable. [7:42] Speaker D (unidentified): Here's the crazy thing, and again, I know we talk about AI, but their process is they will fly a drone over all those cemeteries and record in GIS 90% of that. And then they'll put somebody on the ground and get everything under the tree cover, something that's covered. They'll walk and site vet everything. And then that stuff will get added in as they go along. So I mean it's, it's, it's a lengthy process and they'll do it throughout the next couple seasons, but that's also, it's going to be great for the town and for [8:13] Speaker E (unidentified): the history of what's cemeteries question aren't there grades that are not marked and how do they deal with that so that'll have to be an internal [8:24] Speaker D (unidentified): Project afterwards to look at, because they're only going to be able to do what they see. And so we just, Tom from Public Works, Lanny and Joel and I went and we walked Skidmore last week because we've got tree growth around that cemetery that's breaking those fences down. But our parcel is literally where the fence is. So Jim Murphy reached out to the Houghton family for me and we're going to start conversations about whether we get an easement around that 12 feed or a temporary construction easement because we need to cut a lot of those trees down. To answer your question though, as we were walking, there are markers that are there that are supposed to be temporary when someone's buried, yeah, that are just, you know, so still there. Part of that is, and Keith, I never say his name right, is it Seagull, is the new chair of the cemetery committee and he's going to work with Myrna on the crib keeper side of things. And so they'll work together to put paper to digital of things we're missing and then hopefully we can try to find some of those things as we go. But you know, a lot of the stones, because the building spec or construction spec wasn't the same decades ago, a lot of those are sunk, even ones that have been raised over time, yeah, you know. So the other part of it is too is we've been talking with Stevens Monuments. Committee tasked me, we're going to have that company start cleaning stones in Seidlinger because they haven't cleaned a long time. And so then we can double check maps and so we're going to try to take a cemetery a year and get them cleaned and updated and fix broken stones. And so committee's trying to put a plan together of how to rehab and then maintain from there on. So there's a lot going on with the cemetery. [10:13] Speaker E (unidentified): Okay, so Landmark doesn't have any sort of sonar, ground sonar equipment? [10:20] Speaker D (unidentified): Not that I know of. When I went to the Cemetery Association, there was one person in New England that was doing that, and so if that's something we want to look into, but again it's a lot of, I would call, pole probing where they're just looking for voids in space, you know what I mean, like something maybe here and then they have to probe it and see what's there and I suppose [10:42] Speaker E (unidentified): even if you find it you don't know who it is so what do you do as yeah as a as [10:48] Select Board member: a person who mowed the cemeteries for quite a few years with my dad, there were a few places up on the common cemetery that I felt through, yeah, you know, with wooden caskets and stuff like that, which is, and the committee's made a conscious [11:05] Speaker D (unidentified): Decision we've shared it with Myrna that like when Myrna's trying to squeal, yeah, yes, that's good, yeah, you know, if there's areas of the cemetery, like there's the rear corner of Lakeview, Myrna knows that there are remains buried there, but she doesn't know if they're buried like this or like this because it was never marked, you know what I mean. So as far as what's available or, and we made a decision as a board, like if there's an area of the cemetery that we're unsure, it is now full, you know what I mean, yeah, it is now full because we're not going to say sell this to somebody or do extra probing, like if we lose three or four burial spots because we have to protect the integrity of what's already there, we're just gonna, when we get these maps done, we're just gonna, for Myrna's sake, we'll just patch them off and say these are, yeah, they're full. Occupied. Occupied. No vacancy. [12:00] Select Board member: I'll make a motion to authorize the use of the cemetery project reserve funds in the amount of $19,050 to create cemetery as bills and database surveys as presented. [12:12] Chair (Select Board Chair): Second. The only thing I would say, I think you're on the right track with that. I think that getting this all mapped digitally is a big step. I know Myrna's got paper records of various forms going back and forth, but right now we don't have a central database. Enter those into. And she's had to track a lot of that piecemeal together. [12:39] Speaker E (unidentified): Have you talked to Irene or has anyone talked to Irene Haas about that? Because she had a lot of information. [12:44] Speaker D (unidentified): Yeah, well Ron's on the committee so I'm sure that they go home. And so part of it is, like when we're looking at the rules and we're making standards for burials as far as even, because now, don't quote me on this, but like six out of ten burials are cremains. You know what I mean? They're not full burials anymore so it's but we're building standards like you got to put a base [13:04] Select Board member: in you have to do these things well some summit cemeteries down in southern states they're making it or even down in portland ways they're making it so you can have a headstone but it's flush mount so they can mow over it and just the ease of mowing and everything well we've we've developed [13:23] Speaker D (unidentified): And it's not final, but I did on the computer different configurations of a plot where, you know, if you're putting a vertical headstone, it has to be in the upper part. Like, there's no choosing what you're going to do. You're going to put it in the upper part of your lot, so we creep a mowing lane. And if you're going to put other stones in that plot, they have to be flush, so you have a complete mowing lane, so it's not like, you know, going over things and where things are located, so that way we don't have what we have now where, I mean, those guys we lack and mow around, I mean, there's so much hand we whack in that it's just crazy. Yeah, has there been any consideration of, I [14:05] Chair (Select Board Chair): want to call it, live burial, green cemeteries? A lot of talk about it, green. [14:10] Speaker E (unidentified): Yeah, I guess green, no cast, yes, I mean, yeah, bless you, yeah, this, yeah, no, we, when I went to [14:17] Speaker D (unidentified): the conference again last year, we had one of our community minutes bring it up that they would be interested in, and I said, here's the thing, I'm happy to have that conversation, especially if people are interested in it, but we need to stabilize what we're doing first and kind of get that set, because what I learned about green was that other communities that have it, you create a whole new section and, you know, be a whole new section, because there is water consideration, how close you are to rivers and all those type of things, and so we kind of decided we don't want to be the first to do it, figure out how to let other people kind of develop. And it may be that there's a different section, you know, that is for that, for these rules. [14:57] Speaker E (unidentified): So right now, would we have to allow it if there is someone who wants to? [15:00] Speaker D (unidentified): Right now, I believe our rules say we don't allow. [15:03] Chair (Select Board Chair): Okay. Yeah. Did the state open up to allow it? Because last time you said the state didn't allow it. [15:08] Speaker D (unidentified): I think they're just, well, this was a year ago, they were finalizing the rules for the Veterans Cemetery for the state to do it. And there was another one, I want to say, this was interesting, a land trust, I think, was in the Oxford area, but they bought a preserve and then they carved out like six acres and partnered with the town to have a green cemetery in this forest, so that way, you know, again, they put it where it needed to go, they checked all the environmental things. They had the rules in place, but it's a whole other, it's like set of rules B. [15:50] Select Board member: But they just bring home people? [15:53] Speaker E (unidentified): No, I had a coworker whose grandmother was buried in Virginia or something. She said they curled her up and put her in a basket and put that in the ground. [16:07] Speaker D (unidentified): So physically, the rules are all different. Like some of them you don't need a container of any sort, you know, I mean, it's you know, it's just, yeah, put me on the boat, just light it on fire, like a [16:20] Chair (Select Board Chair): Viking, yeah. So yeah, that conversation has been brought up. I do think this is [16:38] Speaker F (unidentified): interesting. So we're just not to these. I was just wondering how they curled [16:45] Chair (Select Board Chair): someone up in a bath. Rigor mortis is the answer. Not our problem. I'm sure that if we do it, I won't be the one doing it. Yeah, rigor mortis goes away. All in favor to use the Any reserved funds for the cemetery mapping? Great, thank you. Can we talk about that? Woo! Next we move on to the board multi-mobile transportation improvements planning project. [17:16] Speaker D (unidentified): Yes, so Resiliency Committee with Dan started this and Michael picked it up. We received a grant for this for a total of $80,000. We put out a RFP of a max of $70,000 for a project because ten of it is going towards offsetting the planners cost to do and that was part of our budget plan to do that, so do the administration reporting and any sort of oversight, so that's a win for us twice. Anyways, the RFP went out, we received them, we received two very nice well done proposals, one from Haley Ward and one from Sebago Technics. After about an hour of debate with the Residency Committee, they voted to stay award to Haley Ward. Haley Ward was a few hundred dollars more than Sebago Technics and I left a message for Sebago Technics today that if approved this was going to be awarded tonight, Haley Ward, and I just said, you know, that the proposals were really apples to apples. The difference was Haley Ward is that were, you know, the relationship that we have right now with them doing this ongoing project, we're hoping transfers over into this next project, and so that was really the tipping. And if John and Steve have any other comments to that. So what does that [18:44] Select Board member: give us? So we've got the bid, yep. Okay, so there's going to be $70,000. What does that in just physical [18:54] Speaker D (unidentified): Doesn't physically build anything, it does not. Okay, so this is a planning grant where they're going to go through and study vehicle and car movement in the common area or village area, and in our kind of definite the village, it's from the end here by TCC to Union Farm, and then Air Park to Four Corners, to me is kind of that village area, of how cars and vehicles, same thing right, cars and pedestrians move around, and then to make suggestions for us to improve for safety, to improve for movement as well as stormwater, because we have in the common area, we have a lot, we have two catch basins that need to be addressed that Tom and Public Works will do some work to this fall, but it'll be temporary, they're starting to crumble, but again we don't want to physically replace that 100% because who knows if they need to go here, you know, when something else needs to happen based on things that change, and so what they'll do is come in and study that and then propose a plan with cost estimates as well for us to build and look at and put into our capital planning of if a than B, how do we approve those, the [20:08] Speaker E (unidentified): safety and car vehicles, well like work of planning, like whatever research has to be done, bringing the community, yes, so part of that, so the whole outreach so [20:19] Speaker D (unidentified): they'll do the study, they'll hold multiple community events just like we to the resiliency, they'll get everybody's input, good or bad, about thoughts, and then they will catalog all that, and just like we did on the second public hearing, a public outing of the resiliency grant, severe weather, then they'll bring it back to validate, this is what we heard, is this true, you know what I mean, and so like when we have the last severe weather thing at the end of the month, that's pretty much what they're going to show, the work that they heard, they validated before they bring it to you for final, but correct me [20:55] Chair (Select Board Chair): to if I'm wrong, once we get this planning, yep, right down there, that's the point when we can take that and then run to get ready yet with that whatever [21:03] Speaker G (unidentified): they have their engineering is designed towards us going out, get going after the grant, yeah, that's the advantage of dealing with, okay, that's kind of what I [21:11] Speaker D (unidentified): was, yeah, you know, we are set up to apply for money to do right, is this cost going [21:17] Speaker E (unidentified): going to be covered at all by grants. [21:20] Speaker D (unidentified): So the report? Yes, we are only doing this because of the report. So we received 80. This is costing us 70. And then we have 10 left in the grant, which we're allowed to have to use for administration. And that's going to offset the planners' expenses. [21:35] Chair (Select Board Chair): But then after we have this, then we start going after grants to do it. We'll go after other grants. [21:40] Speaker D (unidentified): Whether they're infrastructure grants or block grants or something else to actually implement what we need to. The thing for us is, you know, Michael and I have had a conversation with Dakota and Michael, the state planners, one's transportation and one's pedestrian movement, because we want to try to get ahead of things that are happening around us. We know in two years they're supposed to put a simple pavement layer on Common Road, but if we're talking about doing something there, whether it's water or sidewalk or something else you kind of want to do it ahead of it before you're not ripping it up twice right now so yeah in this time frame they'll have this completed by June so this one's a quick turnaround because it's more of a lot of engineering and [22:28] Chair (Select Board Chair): planning versus, you know, physical work. So anything you guys want to add on the [22:35] Select Board member: committee? I think the timing of it is good because it's going to, I think the comprehensive planning committee will be able to look at this and it'll be definitely some benefit to them. Probably dovetails, dovetail right in. Exactly. So I think the timing is, yeah, especially where the village is the heart of, we [22:56] Speaker E (unidentified): don't have a motion for this I would like to make a motion please do we make a motion to award the multimodal transportation improvements planning project to Haley Ward in the amount of $70,000. Second. [23:14] Chair (Select Board Chair): All in favor? Okay. I do have a [23:19] Select Board member: copy of the of the RFP here if anybody wants to take a look at it. [23:24] Chair (Select Board Chair): I might take a look at it later on. [23:27] Speaker D (unidentified): Haley Ward's proposal. Yeah, I have an extra here too, somebody can take that. Did I attach that? I think I attached that in your packet. It's possible. It's possible, but just, but there's a copy there and I've got like five copies [23:38] Chair (Select Board Chair): upstairs from the audience. Move on to authorize main DOT bridge project agreement construction over limit permit. Yes, so this is, I put the agreement in [23:52] Speaker D (unidentified): Your packet, I have the original copy after signature as well as the letter from the state. So this is in request for the St. George River bridge replacement placement project, and they are requesting an agreement that the town will award an over limit permit when the time comes. I chatted with George who does the contract and engineers he [24:17] Select Board member: doesn't think at the moment they would [24:19] Speaker D (unidentified): be much if any on our town roads, but this is just to cover that. So just so [24:25] Chair (Select Board Chair): I understand, yes, this, they're asking for permission to potentially, if they need to, as part of the bridge replacement, bring it over the limit. Say they had to bring a large machine, a large crane, and they needed to move on town roads to get it into position. They're [24:41] Speaker D (unidentified): asking for a pass on that. That's what they're asking for. I did confirm with him that if, because this was Tom's concern, if a road is posted, seasonal road postings, they are required to still call and ask for permission to travel on those posted roads at that [25:02] Chair (Select Board Chair): time. That's, can Tom deny it at that point? Yes, even if we've granted them the [25:08] Speaker D (unidentified): pass. What he said, he said, but you know, we request fully requestfully a word, he goes, we respect respectfully, thank you, respectfully request that you allow it even if this parameters, and Tom has done that with certain companies and projects where they will call and say, can I travel this road, and the answer is no, but he will then go look at the road if you know if it's something that's a critical mass and say you can, but it's got to be before nine o'clock when the weather is still cold, so the road's a little more firmer than it is, and so that was a question I did get answered. So any damage to the road? Yes, so that, thank you. So there is in this provision we can request a bond from them, which I would, it's in your motion, I would recommend you ask for a bond, and the process would be is once they selected the contractor and they know the time frames, then I would work with DOT to set that bond amount, they have a formula, blah, but then they would request from the contractor they [26:12] Speaker G (unidentified): select to provide the town a bond. So who assesses damage? Does the town do that or both? Sounds like both will be part of that process. Yes, yeah, document before, yeah, again we'd be [26:28] Speaker D (unidentified): you know, Tom usually find out probably for they do, you know, as far as I would [26:35] Chair (Select Board Chair): assume to that anything that large they're going to be coming down 17. [26:39] Speaker B (unidentified): You're not going to come over Clary Hill with a crane. I'll make a motion to [26:44] Select Board member: Authorize the construction over limit permit for the MDOT project zero two 27158 and request a bond to cover the damages. Second. Any other questions? Comments? [26:57] Speaker D (unidentified): All in favor? So this would be that sheet, Adam, that means signatures of the other pawn. So that was Wayne and then Steve? Yep. Yep. Thank you. And next we [27:10] Chair (Select Board Chair): have MMA Annual Meeting Voting Delegate Authorization. Yep. So at last [27:16] Speaker D (unidentified): meeting we had nominated Martha and Steve. Steve and we talked about if Steve couldn't which his schedule is now has a conflict that I would bring it back to you. And again we keep Martha as the designee and then I would be the alternate because I'll be there. But we just need to do a new form so I can [27:32] Chair (Select Board Chair): bring that with me tomorrow. Okay. Do you want a new motion on that? Yes please. Where Steve is not going to go? Yes please. You want to make that motion? Steve you want to make that [27:41] Select Board member: motion I'll make the motion that we authorize for the MMA annual meeting that Martha Johnston Nash be our voting delegate with Todd Souza acting as the [27:56] Chair (Select Board Chair): alternate second any other questions all in favor thanks for doing it Martha [28:03] Speaker D (unidentified): thank you and Martha I will Stacy told me today cuz she checked tickets when I get there if you get your badge and it says Bach lunch I'm gonna switch my tickets with you so you can have lunch in the meeting and I'll take the box lunch so just we'll make sure we do that before noon tomorrow okay yeah because [28:29] Chair (Select Board Chair): they can only have so many seats at the meeting so yep oh good okay next move on to appoint select board representatives to the comprehensive planning committee and we talked about putting two on the committee we have we didn't have we didn't have set names on this yet did we [28:53] Speaker E (unidentified): see requests yeah that's right can i make a motion i'm fine with that yeah make the motion That select board representatives to the comprehensive planning committee will be Steve Migliorini and myself, Martha Johnston-Mitch. [29:12] Chair (Select Board Chair): We got a second to that, so we can open discussion? Second. Questions, comments, thoughts? What's everybody feeling? [29:21] Select Board member: I don't think it's interesting. That wouldn't mind being on it, but... The comprehensive? [29:28] Chair (Select Board Chair): I can tell you I don't want the time commitment because I think that's going to be a big one. But I do think it's interesting. I think it's going to be really productive. I actually think Todd's hit the ground running on this since he came on board. But if you guys want to step up, I'm in with that. I'm assuming you guys will keep us kind of in the loop anyway. Any more discussion on that? Sure you guys are good doing it, okay. If for some reason you get into it and it's more time than you want, you come in, we'll rotate in and out. So all in favor of the motion, okay. Thank you guys. Move on to item number 13, Knox County sheriff traffic data, and we do have a summary. Yep, I have a couple other things [30:20] Speaker D (unidentified): that I'll just share very quickly. I had met with Arthur Smith, congratulations, he's taking a new job, he's going to be lieutenant at Camden. That's in that middle month, so he's still going to be working I guess per diem for the sheriff's, but he's been great over the past six months since we started really pushing on the traffic thing. They've had signs here, we've seen more enforcement in town, so anyways he sent a couple of just historical data. So in 2020, again you never know how many calls, but in 2020 the town had 704 calls from June, January 1st to June 30th, and to date so far this year it's 664. Again call types vary. [31:11] Chair (Select Board Chair): This is not just for you, this is this is just the call. So what you have in front of you is a [31:17] Speaker D (unidentified): speed sheet that I'll talk about in a minute. The data that I'm just giving you is just your total call volume annually over this time frame. They've averaged almost 5,800 calls in town during the first six months of the year over years. Pretty, yes, yeah, that's what it says right here. And again it's it doesn't [31:41] Chair (Select Board Chair): mean it's it's I'm going down the list, it doesn't seem possible for me. I retract [31:50] Speaker D (unidentified): retract that, I retract that. If I could read, that's total county calls, yes. So maybe what he was, so for the county for 2026 so far it's been six thousand seven hundred calls, for a union so far as seven hundred six hundred and sixty [32:11] Select Board member: four, that was ours. Did you see that was fifty two hundred fifty six, yeah. [32:15] Speaker D (unidentified): Yeah, and so that's just kind of, so out of their 5,800 calls so far, we're almost 700 of those calls. We've received a lot of calls and complaints, especially on Common Road, and so they've done a lot of traffic duty. So what you have in front of you is their new speed sign that someday I would love to have one of these. This thing like does messaging, does speed, produces these reports, and even you can take pictures of people speeding if you want to. It's crazy, but anyway, they're not cheap, so they are so. Well, it was on Depot, I don't know where he's moved it to, but so this report is what this and I wanted to share this with you guys because again we've had a lot of conversations with folks on the Common Road. So this was a study he did for six days, September 17th through September 23rd, a total call volume of 5256. Cars, now again remember that's one way because they're only picking you up one way, so you think about during that time frame it might not be unique vehicles, but over 10,000 cars passed on Common Road, and you know it's not, you wait till they work on that bridge. Oh well, again that's the whole, that's the whole point of it, and what this, how we broke it out for us in this neighborhood summary, something we'll put on Facebook and share, but out of those vehicles there were 182 violators, so 97% of the. People are in compliance with the speed on Common Road during. [34:04] Speaker I (unidentified): That period. Now you didn't go down there very much, did you? But again, the minimum. [34:22] Speaker D (unidentified): Minimum speed tracked by that unit was 20 miles an hour. The average speed was 31 in the 30 mile an hour speed limit. The max was 66. Now, again, he broke this down a little bit where out of all those vehicles, 10 to 14 miles an hour kind of categorizes low risk over the speed limit, then that next medium risk is about 36, and he said that high risk is over 20, and he said there was six vehicles that hit over that 20 mile an hour mark. Now he said we don't have any further data to dial down, he said tell all the firefighters that I'm not trying to pin him down, he said but there could have been a fire call and two people could have. Gone by there very quickly, and so two of those six could be somebody run into a call or an ambulance call. He said that's not to say that they're doing anything wrong, but that's just that is a probable cause of things, so I want to make sure I said that, but anyways there's a lot of vehicles and most people are in compliance with what's going on. Now I agree with Linda's statements, and that's why I will talk about once the multimodal gets going and then work with the state about some trial projects. To kind of, what do we do during that time frame of construction to slow people down in certain spots, whether that's those upright delineators, whether that's they have portable bump-outs to make the intersection feel tighter so people slow down. Like, what can we do? And all those products can kind of be test projects. [35:56] Speaker F (unidentified): I know you guys laughed at me last time, but I'm telling you, speed bumps work great. [36:01] Speaker D (unidentified): Well, they do. So here's the thing. They do have speed bumps we can use. They are very large and cumbersome. They're not the little ones, like the little yellow ones. They are actually tables that have to be screwed to the ground so they don't flip up and hit a car. We had a couple neighborhoods in Scarborough request that. The town that a grant bought one within four months the neighbors voted to pull it out. So noisy all night long. And it's loud. Wow, the absolute noise is a huge factor. And you know what else is noise? [36:37] Select Board member: I thought it was station. 117 is that rumble strip. [36:42] Speaker E (unidentified): Oh, yes, the middle line. [36:44] Speaker D (unidentified): And Arthur also wanted me to share with you with this data. He's like, you know, they look at this, and they can get the data based on what time of day. So they are trying to put people in town on the high-risk days, if you will. But he did say there are other places in town that they, if they only have limited staffing, they're going to put them on. In 17 is that because you'll see a lot of people on 17 lately because there's a, there's a difference between and nobody wants to be an accident, we don't want, but somebody doing five miles an hour over in a 30 versus 20 miles an hour over in a 50, you know, now you're doing 70 and so that the risk of damage and life threat is where they are trying to do some of those things so he Just wanted to share with they're trying to do what they can in town and he was trying to explain [37:37] Chair (Select Board Chair): Before you I thought I would have guessed if you had asked me to gamble I would have said that witching hour after midnight yeah it's that's where they're gonna be and if you look at this data five o'clock in the afternoon everybody's coming off work that's when all that's when it's really bad i mean midnight they all slow down for [37:59] Speaker D (unidentified): The sign, yeah, and he actually, he, because we had this conversation before, and actually Tommen said this last year, but they change the sign mode so it doesn't flash your speed. Do you know why? Because it makes you look, no, because people are playing the game, who could get the fastest speed, so they would play. He's like, we were told this like a bible, and again, he was told this. People drive by, what'd you get? So they were trying to get the high score. And so it just, it,, I,. [38:32] Speaker G (unidentified): And they got, their sign only had a double digit. Yeah, exactly. [38:36] Speaker D (unidentified): Right. So there is some science to their madness and where they're trying to put people. So again, I just thanked him for putting some extra effort. [38:43] Chair (Select Board Chair): I gotta say, these numbers, like when you look at the averages and the, max, this is way better than I would have assumed for Common Road. I would have assumed, yep, way [38:56] Speaker B (unidentified): more people are speeding through that. So it's funny you say that, because I was driving the [39:01] Select Board member: bus in the last couple of days. I go down through the Common and you look at your speed, so going down the Common Road is it 25, and coming back I was 30. Yeah, and you know something, like going 25 and the guy down at the lower, at the bottom there, he looks at me going by like I was going too fast, but I was doing the exact speed limit, because I got a big yellow bus, I'm not gonna, you know, and the same coming back, it seems like you're going fairly fast at 30 miles an hour, but that's, that's the [39:31] Speaker D (unidentified): average people. Yeah, that's it again, when you're standing outside it feels a lot [39:35] Speaker I (unidentified): faster than regular vehicle. He does, so question taught, I mean, when that they [39:39] Speaker F (unidentified): do sat working on the bridge, can the sheriff be out there sporadically so that people won't be expecting him and affectionate people. [39:47] Speaker D (unidentified): We can make any request that we'd like here. [39:50] Speaker F (unidentified): I'll probably be the first one. [39:51] Chair (Select Board Chair): It's going to be like fish in a barrel for a couple of weeks with them. They're going to get some easy quotas, I bet. Yeah, I'm just... [39:59] Speaker D (unidentified): And that's why trying to, you know, things that we choose to do to help ourselves so we're not dependent on them, it's like the corner around... If you don't drive Common Road coming around the Common House and Pizza Corner, I don't think people go about 10 feet further than they should and whip a right, you know, because they think that road is going to kind of go across versus take that sharp. And so, you know, we can put some more delineators out there and try to break up the pattern a little bit or some signage. I didn't call the state DOT. It reminds me of this road I know because I didn't get a call back, but they'll give you stencils. So you can put, and I don't know if you've been through Wiscasset lately, but there are some large, like, 4x6 speed limit, 25, right on Route 1. They're putting those up because people aren't looking. Especially this time of year, all the stuff that's on the side of the road. [40:50] Select Board member: I think the thing that's going to deter them is when they put the lights up. I don't think it necessarily is going to be the bridge project, but the light's going to be first, and then the bridge project, so someone's going to go hey well they get a bridge project going on but i remember the lights up here and i want to sit up halfway across the bridge and everything they're going to whip it down through the common that's my two cents i'm gonna bet that when they do that bridge [41:17] Chair (Select Board Chair): that's all part of the like from the upper light where they put it to the lower section the other side of the bridge that will be the section that they route people around you know that will all be one you don't think it'd be like bridge light intersection light i bet they'd combine those two [41:34] Select Board member: oh there's not going to be it's going to be there's going to be a lighter bridge they're [41:38] Chair (Select Board Chair): going to be it's the same that's right they're doing a bypass yeah that's true i forgot about that yeah so that bridge will be two i was thinking about when they did route 90 there [41:46] Speaker E (unidentified): i have one other comment on that on the call data you said knox county as a total was 6700 And Union is 664. That's 10%. If you take out Rockport and Camden, they'll have their own forces. And what do we've got? Four Islands? I mean, basically, 10%. [42:13] Select Board member: Was it Juan that was telling me? Somebody was telling me. That's not bad. [42:16] Speaker D (unidentified): No, well, as far as crime goes or calls go, that's knock on wood. It just means, again, we are focused on... That's why I tried to go down in the... [42:24] Chair (Select Board Chair): But you do go down the peninsula, like you have St. George, Fort Clyde. I mean, that stuff adds up. [42:30] Speaker D (unidentified): Yeah, because I went down and focused on the traffic. There's five traffic categories. Traffic accident with damage, there was 27 in six months. Traffic detail, three. Traffic hazard, five. Traffic violations, 22. Traffic stops, 143. [42:52] Speaker B (unidentified): That's a lot of warrants. [42:53] Speaker D (unidentified): Out of those 664 calls, 143 of traffic stops, so again, that's 25%, a little more, 30%, you know, so that's a high volume that they're physically stopping people. So when they say they don't, when they're here, they do stop. And again, just like any recording system, how people love to call it. So anyways, I was happy with those numbers. I'm happy, union, knock on wood, is low crime, low call volume, and I was happy to see the traffic stops based on the total volume of call was a high percentage. So that's what we got there, and that was just an update, I mean. [43:37] Chair (Select Board Chair): Some of these, you know, you look at this spreadsheet, I mean, like you said, one way, 11 o'clock in the morning, 504 cars one way on that road, so you probably got thousand cars in an hour. That's just one hour. That's that's some decent traffic. Yep, all right, other business, what do we got? So other business, a few things, again, [44:05] Speaker D (unidentified): I'm happy to email this to you guys, but I just got it in the mail today. We received our 2027 state valuation. Drumroll, please. We are, how much they check us, the 25 million, so we're up to five hundred forty eight hundred fifty thousand, so up twenty-five million. [44:32] Chair (Select Board Chair): Painted the parking spaces on the common, eight five zero. Knox went [44:39] Speaker D (unidentified): up, Knox went up five [44:49] Speaker B (unidentified): hundred one million, yeah. [44:54] Speaker G (unidentified): So his house was on Barrett Hill. [44:59] Chair (Select Board Chair): It's my deck I'm taking, that's what I'm doing, that's what it is. [45:02] Speaker D (unidentified): So that's one part of the other news that we've got. Where am I? So I told you that the state had put up three-foot pedestrian signs at the end of Common. I also shared that we were purchasing a set to put on either end of Cenabek because that's a high traveled road. They were put to, what date is this, is Thursday the first, they were put up on Tuesday, and on Thursday somebody took a saw and cut the pole down, a four by four. What? No, on the common. No, on the back, on the Appleton end, yeah. Somebody, nice pile of sawdust, somebody took a hand saw and cut the four by four and laid the sign right on the ground. Yeah, or it could have been a sawzall. It wasn't a chainsaw because it didn't throw it far, but some sort of saw cut that sign down. So this was the pedestrian bicycle, yes, pedestrian, three feet, yeah. So yeah, so that [46:09] Select Board member: That was an interesting phone call to receive, so. [46:13] Speaker E (unidentified): So they just cut the posts, or? [46:15] Speaker D (unidentified): They cut the posts to just protest. Just one? [46:18] Speaker F (unidentified): Just one, yeah. Close to the ground, or right dead center? [46:21] Speaker D (unidentified): No, they cut probably a foot off the ground. [46:25] Speaker E (unidentified): So the sign itself is okay? [46:27] Speaker D (unidentified): Yeah, the sign was okay, they just put a new post in, and we'll put a camera out there, and get a little, do something. [46:34] Chair (Select Board Chair): Protest message noted. [46:36] Select Board member: Yes, we understand, yes. [46:39] Speaker D (unidentified): So anywho condolences to the post yep so Michael and I met with Steve of Steel Pro today so they're getting closer to their final design Garley Dorsky's finishing that up they've met with the state they're working on their DEP site permit they don't have any wetland delineation to do but just because it's within a certain percentage of the lot they have to do the site permit again they were told it would take seven to eight months to get this permit finished but because most of its been doesn't Cite and that's what stuff it shouldn't shouldn't be that so they are working on that he's going to reach out to me next week and then again Michael's thoughts and comments were and I shared with Chris as well Packard but once they get this all this information what there's 25 points to this DEP site permit project so once that's going in a submitted all that data is 90% of what the Planning Board will need we'll start them on the Planning Board process so that way those two paths run side by Side their goal is then to do town permitting and then start breaking ground spring of 27 if everything lines up summer of 27 at the latest depending on permitting and then still trying to attract open June of 2028 yeah no I left a message for them as far as the final results but no callback yet the building just for kind of scope their building will be just under 55,000 square feet and it'll have just under 12,000 square feet of canopy area in the back so they can store goods and unload stuff In weather. So yeah, upwards of 67,000 square feet. [48:41] Chair (Select Board Chair): I mean, we'd love to do, you know, host some kind of groundbreaking forum when it comes time. [48:46] Speaker D (unidentified): Yeah, I also made the ask and he had obviously offered before and is willing to do, but they will, once they have more finalized on the detail and the process, they will come make a presentation to you. They'd like to just share with you in the community of who they are what they're all about what they're made up who works for them kind of stuff where they see themselves going they have capacity once this is done to put 80 people on a single shift and right now they're about 52 so it's a it's a job creator again they're so envision running two shifts as right now just the one just the one and again they see a constant workload without any issues. How's it going? Well, there's all the other things that come with that, more people. But, you know, right now, he shared with me today, again, to kind of lend his question with the water piece, in their design they have a 60,000-gallon water-holding tank system. And presently right now in Rockland, they put a meter on a hydrant, test fill their canisters, which can be anywhere from 3,000 to 10,000 gallon canister, pressurize it, and then all that stuff goes down in the sewer. So they're constantly just running that water. That's the only thing they can do down there. The system that they're putting in place will be a closed system. [50:16] Chair (Select Board Chair): So they'll recycle that water. [50:18] Speaker D (unidentified): So they'll recycle it and they'll be able to use it and they'll have a pure cleaning system, whatever that means, to be able to then reuse that water over and over again. And then based on their wells or if we eventually get a water up to them, yeah, then they can slow be backfilled. But 60,000 gallons, even if they had five projects going on at once, they don't see ever having a shortage of water. Why can't they pump from the river? Probably not clean enough. Yeah, I don't [50:51] Speaker G (unidentified): know, contaminants. Yeah, do they recover heat off of the, that 60,000 [50:58] Speaker D (unidentified): gallons? I don't know what, I don't know what their internal heating system is. [51:02] Chair (Select Board Chair): I'm sure they get people smaller than that, I mean. Yeah, all right, I was just [51:05] Speaker G (unidentified): looking at me, 60,000 gallons of water, if you put the tubes in it, you'd have your heat for your building just about. Yeah, that's like a, that's a big swimming pool. [51:15] Speaker D (unidentified): Yeah, so that's, they're kind of working there. The conversation did come up and I said I would do research of what the conversation was and I'm not sure how far this board, but they didn't mention any sort of TIF considerations for a district there. And I said I will follow your advice here, I will have a conversation with Jay just to kind of know where that conversation went prior to me, and then Michael and I will look into what's available to help offset and what works for us and what works for them. So pretty sure Jay [51:51] Speaker E (unidentified): was working on something. Yeah, that's why I follow up with a man, Jade [51:56] Chair (Select Board Chair): initially looked into it, but we were also doing at the time, we're trying to do a tiff there and here at the same time, that obviously didn't panel like [52:05] Speaker D (unidentified): Yeah, we got the community center one finalized. So whatever we do, and I explained this to them to see today, is that you know we would need to have something in place for the June vote if there was a consideration to make everything for us. So we'll run through those exercises, we'll get back to him. [52:22] Chair (Select Board Chair): See what's potentially, I don't think there's any opposition. If there was something we could do like that to make it worth their while, I don't think [52:30] Select Board member: there's an opposition to it. I just want to fully understand and fully and fully [52:35] Speaker D (unidentified): educate him on whatever options we come up with. They understand how it benefits them, and then we can educate the town on how it would benefit us. So when it goes to them, because I know in some areas people think TIFF is a tax credit break, and it's really not, because there's a couple different benefits, right? We shelter some of that valuation from the state value, which if we put it all in the wall, we wouldn't get it all back because we're close to 100% anyways, so we'd lose that a percentage of it. So sometimes you can do it 50 where you're you're giving them a break, but then we're getting money off the valuation, so we end up saving this as a whole, and then that's what we can use on our end. So we'll look into that, but that was a conversation today just to keep you guys in that loop. And then i have an update and then also a request for a motion. I was contacted by Trail of Terror, and Abe had let a couple of the committee members there know that there was some old gurneys and old stairchairs in the back and under the TCC, and he asked if they could use it for the Trail of Terror for their one of their scenes props. And so I said, I said yes, I met him over there today, we went through it. Is stuff that has been sitting there for probably 20 years because it must have been from the EMS training. Yeah, Andrew said he said it when he was 18 and he was a custodian over there, they were still leaning up in that corner. Yeah, and he's now 40 and these things have mildew and everything on over I said you can borrow them. I said tonight I'll ask the board for a motion to give them to you so I don't want the [54:20] Speaker B (unidentified): motion made seconded as long they don't come back. Yeah, so again it takes probably like [54:26] Speaker D (unidentified): three gurneys and like six whole stair chairs. So yeah, does anybody have any comment on that motion [54:32] Chair (Select Board Chair): The only comment I have is I've been taking my daughter to the Trail of Terror and I think they do a fantastic job over there. If you've never been, you need to go because it's excellent. They do a really great job, so. Any other comments? [54:49] Speaker F (unidentified): Do we have to say, take as is, and we're not responsible after they take them? I mean, if they get mildew and everything on them. [54:57] Speaker D (unidentified): Yeah, I mean, I'll just verbally tell them it's an as. Like, it's, yeah. Just curious. [55:02] Speaker F (unidentified): You don't want it coming back? I don't want it coming back. Someone gets sick and Tom gave them something that was bad. [55:08] Speaker D (unidentified): Yeah, no, they'll probably end up staying outside and get worse, but that's how I like it. Okay. [55:12] Chair (Select Board Chair): Yeah, you can express to them that how whatever they got to do to him for their [55:17] Speaker D (unidentified): prop uses. Yeah, they were, they were the two gentlemen, last name was Collins, I didn't catch his first name, and Adam Juror Anthony. Yeah, they were super excited about it, they were, couldn't wait to get it going. They're both on the board, they can't wait to talk about trails and how we get more people out there, so it was, it was a great, you know, given back-and-forth conversation today. [55:37] Chair (Select Board Chair): So all in favor of the motion, great. All right, yeah, well just for my own knowledge, [55:43] Speaker D (unidentified): a Martha made the motion, who seconded it's been Wayne, okay, yeah, we don't have to go back on the minutes, come up perfect, thank you, okay. [55:52] Chair (Select Board Chair): That's the end up for closed captions been working great, I've been watching it, I mean it's, it catches everybody pretty well, it, the technology is scary, yeah, you [56:04] Speaker D (unidentified): you know, scary. So, that's all the other business. [56:11] Chair (Select Board Chair): You didn't have anything else on report then you're all set. Yep. So just go in town manager report. Any public comment? [56:16] Speaker D (unidentified): Go to my town manager report still. That was just other. Yeah. That's stuff that all came in after. Okay. Again, reminder, open house October 26th. That stuff's going to get started getting posted on Facebook. Steve and John, I just got the little flyers that they'll, they'll mail those to us so we can get out the posters for that. Sorry for severe weather, the risk assessment is, it's in its final draft, and so we'll do that, and then the committee will meet to review action items for them before they submit the final presentation to you in November, so that'll be wrapping up. Age Friendly Committee is, flyers are over there, they're hosting a lunch October 27th here at 11 30, and so if people want to join, they just need to email or call to take a head count. That will be a free meal. Jesse's coming to talk about slip trips and falls, and then I'll chat about the sand program we did last year through the ambulance service. So that's on the 27th. We have advertised website, Facebook. Applications for our comprehensive planning committee. I do have some applications over there. Excuse me again, we're accepting those applications through November 10th for that planning committee. Just updates on town committees and age-friendly committee will meet in November again on the 24th to kind of review the lunch and where we go through next. Budget committee there is an error on my town report. They are actually meeting on November 9th, not November 13th. I had cut and pasted the pooling thing when I was moving it down, so that is actually and that'll be the first meeting for that. Yep, and so John Sheppard and I met today to review the past minutes from last year, and again we chatted about starting the process a week earlier. So today we met, they're gonna meet on the night, just summarize everything that we talked about at the end of last year. I'll do what I did last year and give them an up-to-date where we are to date on FY 27, and then we'll talk about the FY 28 process so they understand kind of what that is, and then we'll have a discussion around operations and capital, but then any new initiatives. So they're kind of on board what John and I confirmed today, and we'll confirm with the committee on the 9th, is that they will meet the Monday before. So if we're looking at the same kind of Monday Tuesday thing, they will meet the money before us. We will all get the packet the same time the week before that, so you'll have two weeks, they'll have it for a week, and then that way they can make any comments or concerns or thoughts known to you when you meet. Because then you vote either that first night or the second night, and that was one of the concerns of the Budget Committee is they didn't have a chance to share any of their thoughts with you before they go vote, and didn't want [59:03] Chair (Select Board Chair): competing kind of conversations. So now if they're meeting the week before, are they planning on voting the week before? No. So what I've asked John and he'll [59:10] Speaker D (unidentified): confirm with the committee is what I've asked them is that if you're going to do this, can't turn into a sword fight. Yeah. And I don't want you come into the select board on Monday for the joint meeting and just be splouting stuff because, you know, this will be your first meeting to talk about it together. So if we're going to do this after the meeting on the 5th, we'll figure out how we summarize the budget committee's thoughts or concerns or questions that I can share with you prior to the meeting so you're not coming in just getting blasted with points, concerns, when you haven't had a chance to deliberate under your own power. So try to put a stopgap in there, and then you would meet on Monday jointly again. If you vote Monday night, great. If not, you go to Tuesday, and then they would do just the parallel path of voting that they would be again the next night. So they're going to have potentially five meetings before they finish their process, but again, that's what the transparency they asked for. I have no problem with it. So that's where that will, we'll start and finish, and I will bring back to you in January, just like we did the first meeting in January, to approve the whole budget process. I've created the timeline, but then I'll get it to Linda and to Stacey upstairs to look at between ordering ballots and absentee ballots and annual reports and when all those things are gonna be posted. We'll put that six month kind of calendar together like I did last year so then you can approve it in January and people can then mark their calendars and when all that stuff happening. So there shouldn't be any excuse they didn't know or what was going on or write down a full budget committee right now we do yet the last you appointed Deb Oh Kennedy at one of your last meetings she was yep so we have a full committee yep green space committee again putting it out there for anybody November 1st it's a Sunday we are doing a site walk in the Bump Hill area to finalize recommendations and kind of look at that at 8 o'clock in the morning so we're home for football that was my one contention being on sunday and then we'll meet on the 16th to summarize that so they're getting closer to be able to bring back a conversation and update to you guys as a board saying here's what we're thinking here's what we're feeling and seeing so pooling committee meets six o'clock next tuesday and i sent an email out to the three members of this board today and again our goal with that meeting I've never really done a fall meeting is just review the charge we're going to look at the Application we're going to talk about expectations for the submitters, you know, especially about reporting out at the end so we know where money's going, kind of change that piece. We have a capital conversation to have about item four on the application that was pulled off and we put it back in, and that's up to them to decide it or the seven of them, and then we'll review financing available as it is to that date so that when they have their award meeting in April it is strictly award meeting, it's not a discussion about what we do or how we do or why we're doing it 's just a very formal meeting of yep and so there that is but I did attach that to and then Anita and I think Martha was there for a we met after another meeting to put the agenda together so tri-county the John asked me to John Shepherd we are looking still for an alternate for that committee and they did hear from the Appleton board that they at this point are not seeking to pull out drag out oh really yeah so even though they did that Warren article to see if there was interest, they're not, they're not pursuing at this point is what John was doing. So again zoning Board of Appeals seats are available down under the department stuff. A couple meetings ago you had approved the financing for the new 750 of the Ford, I did not sign that and do that financing since then when we went back to, a couple things have happened, we went back to Andrew Scoggin bank, they needed a bond review of that of the town so they pushed the timeline back a little bit, which actually was kind of a positive in the sense because since then HB Fairfax notified us they are going to be shutting down the Bangor operation, really, yep, so we don't know what our timeline is to receive that truck now, they're passing some of that work off and then other work will go down, so waiting to kind of see where that truck, they thinking we may not see that till March or April, so rather than take the loan out now and be paying on the on the note, well it's still the same fiscal year, so I'll come back to you with new numbers when we get closer to that. What about the truck pick up, the pickup isn't works, we should see that, yeah, sorry, yep, so that is kind of that news. Airpark, I sent, I sent this through your email, but again continuing to approve some of our sites that within our operating budget, so I had Landmark do a site survey of this and they gave us two alternates to the striping pattern down there. Public Works has opened up that entrance area, and then every time somebody that comes in the office that I know has a boat trailer or backs in boats kind of showing this design so they can kind of put their feedback in. But I'm waiting for numbers back on repaving that parking lot. We had a road meeting with Allstate and he's like we talked about seal coating and restriping that he's like don't waste your money he's like it needs a lift on that so [1:05:19] Chair (Select Board Chair): well and whether we're opening up that entrance yeah so that's going to get done this fall okay yeah so because we're not just leaving that gravel over [1:05:29] Speaker D (unidentified): the mountain no I can't think of the name what's it says with the PM I'm going to brain grant. Patterson? Patterson, thank you. Tom's got them contracted to patch it in front of the bank, patch that in and a couple other spots in town, but then the question would be is what do we do with the rest of the parking lot once that's done? And so when we met, I know this is a different subject, but we met with All State and they're still the only one that's doing the rubber. [Chair (Select Board Chair): Chip seal? Chip] seal but what i have told sam the rep there is that bump hill is on the pavement schedule this year and that will be a traditional asphalt paving just because of the load of the trucks that travel on that and we will be putting a separate ass a separate rfps for that road and any other paving projects that we discuss if this becomes one of them or anything else so we'll have our all-state number to work with on chip seal, but then we will put out a paving or at least separate of that for any other projects that we've got. So that's in the works. In case anybody asks, Tom and his crew will be Mount Pleasant Extension, do you all know what that is? It's been a point of contention with Public Works for a while. while, we are going to rip out all that pavement, regrade it, and rebuild that road. It's going to cost us about $12,000 in material to get that section of road back up to spec. And then we'll decide later whether we pave it. I mean, there's one home on it, but there's a potential for some other things happening down there. At that point, we'll decide whether we pave it. But either way, it's killing the plow trucks right now. They go over it, and it's just brittle and blowing up everything everywhere. And Tom's been trying to do something to it, so he brought this suggestion to me, which I okay, so they're going to do that this fall and get that road so come plow season we're not, whether we pave it or not will be a choice for down the road, but the work we're doing won't be for not because they'll be prepared for accepting payment down the road if we need to go that way. Yep, just an update for you. I did receive an email from Land and Water Conservation Fund grant, the timeline that we were told they were supposed to have, excuse me, reviews done by the end of October. They've had some staffing changeover which has delayed their process, so we won't get an answer on award till the end of December for beginning of January. Is that gonna, that's not gonna mess us up with anything? No, not a lot, it just may, it just may have to push me into creating an RFP not knowing if we're getting it or not, just you know to have things ready if we are awarded and then go through that process because then it's you get into federal and everything else so that it's [1:08:23] Chair (Select Board Chair): going to come back things even if we, even if we do that and we put out the RFP, I mean we don't have to do the work, we don't get the award. Oh no, that's [1:08:30] Speaker D (unidentified): once again I wouldn't put the RFP out, but if all of a sudden we don't get final award notice to later in the spring, the state fed and sure, I just don't want four weeks to have to craft something, so I may choose to drop it earlier. Yeah, depending on how compact that schedule gets, and then we just wouldn't submit if we didn't get it. Yeah, you know, so that's going on there. I gave you guys the handout on poverty abatements, just as a side note, we are advertising for part-time snowplow operators, that's been posted, the job ad is over there and the applications are online where people can come in, and then lastly just my thank you again Union Historical Society. Most people don't realize how much they're doing in the background, all these tours and reaching out to the cemetery committee now to get people helping with tours, so they're doing a lot of public education on that, they do a lot of preservation stuff, and then just thank you again the partnership, they're always calling what can we help with you know things, so that's a good group of people and just give him a shout out. So that is what we have going on. [1:09:43] Chair (Select Board Chair): So do we know what's our space count? Looks like, I mean, we're going in a couple spaces at least on the trailer parking. And I think it's four we're gaining on the car parking. On the car parking. Going the other way? Yep. So we're [1:09:59] Speaker D (unidentified): gaining parking all the way around and separating it. [1:10:02] Chair (Select Board Chair): That's it for time ranges report? Yes sir. Any public comment come in? [1:10:08] Speaker D (unidentified): No just slight of hand comments in the lobby. That's people paying their taxes but that's all. Those count. Those count so yeah I hear them all [1:10:16] Chair (Select Board Chair): so it's fine. Any other comments anybody took in here? Public comments? John you want to make any? [1:10:22] Speaker G (unidentified): Yeah I wanted to compliment the town road crew on the job they did on Pound Hill Road. looks very nice doing good work yes that's what that's what the culvert [1:10:33] Chair (Select Board Chair): isn't that was where we took the call right now that was no grinding yeah the [1:10:37] Speaker D (unidentified): other crime vulture yeah they're doing culverts they've been putting them in there they're doing they're doing good work and they're [1:10:44] Chair (Select Board Chair): getting ahead of things so they were they were pretty quick on North Indian Road swapping that culvert up there I mean that was a couple hours between I [1:10:54] Speaker D (unidentified): I mean, Tom's thought process, the crew that he has, having Chris Packard helping out, we've got some skilled operators now and people that are thinking big pitches. So things are happening quicker than normal. So those are all positives for us. [1:11:09] Chair (Select Board Chair): You talked about resiliency committee. Do we have any other committee reports? [1:11:13] Speaker D (unidentified): No, like I said, green space is going to be coming at some point. Aid friendly, we talked about the meal, but then also we'll work on a new charge after we have the first meal to be able to bring back to you so then we can start accepting statements of interest to formalize a committee again green [1:11:32] Chair (Select Board Chair): space did meet though right yep they've met multiple times yeah then it [1:11:36] Speaker D (unidentified): looked like a week ago two weeks ago yes yep then they met to review the bump hill properties and that's why they chose to have another site visit to kind of formalize what they agreed okay and they didn't get to one of the parcels because just time and it's very thick and so it's it's it's a process and so Linda doesn't know this but Steve and it can never say his name right she comes DK could check that does trail design for a little for a living he and I are meeting next week to kind of take The committee's thoughts and kind of try to map something, so when we go on the first they have something to look at, and then potential, yeah, potential, yeah, you know what I mean, but for them to validate, is this what they were thinking, but then also he's good about the implementation of things, so what the process would be, you know, those, if we were to bring something to you to say, okay, here's a potential use, and here's what it would take, and then look for funding in the future, did you, would [1:12:38] Chair (Select Board Chair): you gauge it as enthusiastic for the green space? I only asked because I know we asked a lot of the green space early on with Coggins Hill, and then it was kind of a great type of weight scenario. [1:12:48] Speaker D (unidentified): Yeah, no, I think the word, I mean, Linda can speak because she's been there as ladies, and I think [1:12:53] Chair (Select Board Chair): they're very excited. I think that you thought there was still momentum in the room. Oh yeah. [1:12:57] Speaker D (unidentified): I mean, I heard comments from people, especially on the quarry property, yeah, that's the furthest one on our group of properties. There like two of them didn't even know that it was there, and just, you know, how beautiful and what the potential is. That one down by the river is gorgeous. Yeah, I mean, it's just, so these are resources that we have in town that we haven't tapped. And so the goal for me is almost to curb the enthusiasm because of process, getting your validation, trying to find alternate funding. Another project. Yeah, another project funding. But again, with the group that's there, I mean, it's a pretty, I mean, Kathleen brings a certain skill set with her professional background. Cindy works for Knox County Soil and has a professional background in biology. Steve's a professional trail builder and grant writer. you know the blonde what's that 's cindy oh yep and then we've got she's a teacher but she's an outdoor person and so you know between linda becca and carolyn i'm terrible with names that's okay those three are outdoor people so they look at it from a different lens so we've got five different people and then my job is to kind of ground on them through process and so but everything they're talking about and again we've talked about river trail and other property you know there's so there 's momentum, there's momentum, and [1:14:23] Chair (Select Board Chair): I think there's things that we can, I was just, that was my concern because they came into that Cog and Tilt thing with a lot of steam behind them, yep, and we just sort of hit a roadblock on tax acquired properties, and you know it never feels good when you're wasting like citizen-thusiasm, and I was really worried that would just, we lose the [1:14:47] Speaker D (unidentified): sizzle. They did ask and I said I would put it on the next meeting agenda in mid-November to review the conversation about how do we maintain Cog & Sill regardless of what happens to it. Yep. And I said we'd start that conversation brush hog and we had that donation, but you know, and then there are other things happen in that area with Wyman's pieces being sold off and who's buying, can we piggyback with them on some maintenance projects, and so yeah, they're very thoughtful in that sense, so all good there, any other committee [1:15:19] Chair (Select Board Chair): reports, Steve, anything else, John, anything, we're still TCC working [1:15:26] Speaker D (unidentified): through a meeting before we're, yeah, I may have to propose a different date because Michael can't be there, okay, and when he chimed in, but we're gonna meet early in November, hopefully we have the final second phase of the brownfield stuff back, you know, so you know we don't have that yet, no, share some of the things I learned going to that brownfields conference, vacant properties conference in Pittsburgh with the committee, some different ideas, and then you know Michael's got a good lens to look through as far as how to put some pieces in place to be able to start thinking about what's next, or when we want to start thinking about off ramps for certain areas, not that they were there yet, yeah, so we'll get that TCC group to committee to get in, you know, put an update of everything that's happened at this point, so I [1:16:13] Chair (Select Board Chair): found going to the planning board and watching a couple planning board meetings recently, Michael is very good at threading the needle and not getting into the weeds on contentious issue, so I'm sure he's gonna be an asset on that, yeah, and he's doing [1:16:31] Speaker D (unidentified): a good job of, you know, he comes in, we check in on tuesday morning, he says here's what i'm going to work on, what else do you need, yeah, you know, he's got a couple balls in the air and he's doing some outreach stuff for us now, you know, i've asked him to reach out to the three land trusts so we can put names to faces, kind of what they've got going on, initiatives, and we start talking comp plan stuff, we're playing, we kind of, we're in that loop versus finding out in the paper, especially we talk about You know, green space, yeah, so a lot going on. All right, anything else? [1:17:04] Chair (Select Board Chair): Like our select bar boards, yes. [1:17:08] Speaker D (unidentified): I'm good no that's it yes that's like four [1:17:10] Speaker F (unidentified): boards linear you got anything just that I started working on the free Thanksgiving dinner that will be I think it did a new post online yes maybe I mean, November 14th, 3 to 6, to Saturday. Typically, once we get closer, everyone will start chipping in on the food and stuff. The stores usually help me with the turkeys in the hand. I have my crew. I've asked for a couple of extra people. But it usually falls into place. [1:17:45] Chair (Select Board Chair): I think, you know, I saw you mentioned a couple times, like, I was worried it wasn't going to be on Thanksgiving. I actually think it's perfect the way you're doing it well typically last year [1:17:59] Speaker F (unidentified): I did it a week before Thanksgiving and that worked great because everyone all the moms that were going to have to be cooking the following week a lot of people were having their family Thanksgiving the next day and the moms liked being waited on and eating and stuff because they were going to be cooking the next day but the Masons breakfast is that day and I need the kitchen for the whole day so I'm having it the week before so it's actually a couple of weeks before Thanksgiving but we'll see how it goes that might even work better yeah you know because it's not going to interfere with anyone who's traveling or trying to have Thanksgiving the weekend before because we've always had our Thanksgiving a week or two before because of families yeah trying to go everywhere yeah so we'll see how it goes last year do you remember it was like a hundred people we served last year yeah it was like a hundred people we served last year. So I'm hoping that it that we'll have a good crowd this year [1:18:53] Chair (Select Board Chair): too. That's that's pretty impressive in itself a hundred people is pretty [1:18:57] Speaker F (unidentified): impressive. And a lot I mean and the community was great I mean I think the only thing I paid for that whole thing was the hams and then the day off we ran out of stuff because I wasn't expecting such a big crowd because we usually get what 60 or 70 but we I'm sending. I mean 60 or 70 would be impressive in itself. I'm sending John to the house to grab stuff out of the cabinet because Becky had gone to both Dollar General and the Common and bought everything they had for a cranberry sauce and stuffing because that's what we were running out of. And we got by and we had like a handful of stuff and left and I think like maybe a handful of cranberry sauce left over by the time it was all over. [1:19:44] Chair (Select Board Chair): I think it's really impressive how you pulled that off and you've done it. I mean you keep doing these things and you keep getting a turnout and I think it's really impressive. I [1:19:52] Speaker F (unidentified): love doing it and the community likes it. Yep. You know. My eyes are dry. So and I don't know how many people like there was some younger people who came in who were like thank you so much for doing this because they had no place to go and they couldn't afford to go out and do something so we're very happy because it's free yeah I think it's great I think I think [1:20:14] Chair (Select Board Chair): don't let anyone talk you out of it I think it's great when you do it I just gotta figure out where [1:20:19] Speaker F (unidentified): the donations are going to go if I'm going to give them to the rec towards the beaches again or if there's someplace else where there's a need but I'll talk to Todd about it later and we'll figure out where I'm sure you can find the donation several options because it's it is free but people insist on donating so yeah but we'll figure that out later anything [1:20:44] Chair (Select Board Chair): else Steve I can't talk that Linda always goes first and ruins it what are [1:20:58] Select Board member: you guys doing I just think it's great that Linda does it and I think there's something to be said for not having all these events compressed into two or three days i mean i you know because people are busy and you know they got stuff going on with family and they do and whatnot and the fact friday shopping it's just yeah there's just so much going on it's like okay this is going to be you know this is the opening pitch yeah so which i think that i think there's actually something to be said for that [1:21:32] Speaker F (unidentified): so that's great I mean I just like the community involvement everyone pulls in [1:21:38] Chair (Select Board Chair): I think it's great that we live in a place where people care about their community that you care about the community enough to do that you know that's I want to live in places like that yeah that's great anything else I [1:21:51] Speaker E (unidentified): just want to emphasize this community luncheon that the age-friendly committee is doing October 27th. It's noontime, 1130. It does say on it ages 55 and plus and up. It's mainly focused on getting those who are very much confined to their homes, you know, out to see other people, to get together and talk about their needs or whatever, you know, just a social hour for them, and hopefully them very much just the first of several, so it's, yeah, we hope to start this and I hope to get a good crowd on this first one and a lot of ideas for what's down the road, so yeah, if you're interested or know of anyone in that situation that might be interested, if you can bring them, fine, come too, but let them know, do [1:22:55] Speaker F (unidentified): Do you need an RSVP on that? Yes. [1:22:58] Speaker E (unidentified): Yeah, RSVP by the 21st. All [1:23:04] Speaker B (unidentified): right, anything else? [1:23:07] Chair (Select Board Chair): I have nothing other than I'm struggling to stay awake over here. I think you can get in here and it's warm after working out in the wind. What do you got? I [1:23:22] Select Board member: want to, being a select board member, seeing the day-in-day operations of the town and how the town union does things. My hat goes off to everybody upstairs that they're doing a fantastic job and they do it by the letter. I just signed on papers and they do not own the property in Washington anymore and we actually had to, a couple days before we did this, we had to jump through hoops because the town didn't do what they were supposed to do when they tried taking somebody to court. With that being said, I just, it's awesome to have a good code enforcement officer upstairs. I work with Chris almost on a weekly basis, it seems like, lately, but just everybody from Todd to Chris to the girls in the office to the planning board, everybody seems to know their job and it's not like going back into the 70s. I just, I wanted to bring that up just to say that it's awesome to know that I live in a town that knows what's going on, they know how to conduct business as far as municipal goes, and they're right on top of [1:24:45] Speaker D (unidentified): of things I hate to bring this back up at Stacy's email and text me the conversation I had with a person that was requesting the poverty abatement may still be considering it okay so the question I had for this board was if we were going to host it would be on the 20th at your next meeting we have to give the candidate or the applicant I should say a time and so the question would be is do you want to hold it before your meeting or after your [1:25:21] Select Board member: meeting, and either one is fine. Before, I would, I rather do before unless anybody's [1:25:27] Chair (Select Board Chair): really closer. I think you're the one that's usually a scheduled conflict, yeah. [1:25:30] Speaker B (unidentified): I mean, I can do it, so if it was like six, yep, it's hard to determine how late [1:25:37] Chair (Select Board Chair): The meetings gonna go well. We basically never basically ask him to sit here. [1:25:41] Speaker D (unidentified): Yeah, so I guess is I don't know what the conversation is going to be. Again, you won't get to see the information for it till that night. So is you get the information, you make a decision. That person can be in the room when you have those conversations. And then it'll be Stacy because I am out of town that night. She'll be running that abatement as well, which is as GA. That's perfect. She will then collect that back so you don't have it before or after. And so I'm just wondering is it's a half an hour. Enough to then get you down here. [1:26:15] Chair (Select Board Chair): We probably should do 530. I think a half an hour is enough. It's a pretty okay. [1:26:22] Speaker D (unidentified): It's gonna be a pretty clear. So six o'clock if the applicant decides to do it would be a six o'clock. Yeah, okay, perfect. I mean if we got into it and we needed more time, yeah, it's it's still enough. Again, complete application time frame, blah, yep. [1:26:41] Chair (Select Board Chair): Okay, so we're talking on tuesday, so you will you will get back to us on if that's. [1:26:46] Speaker D (unidentified): Going to take place. Yeah, it'll be part of your packet and you're okay. Excuse me, thank you. [1:26:52] Chair (Select Board Chair): Anything else anyone wants to add? All in favor? We have a motion. We have a motion to adjourn. Oh, second. I am out of sleep. It's been a long day. Second. All in favor? All right. Thank you all. And nobody runs.