Thomaston Cemetery Trustees Set Priorities, Plan Workshop on Records

[0:01] Speaker A (unidentified): I'm just teasing. Oh, yeah. [0:04] Speaker B (unidentified): Who's not here? Right. Yeah. It's still easy. [0:08] Public commenter: Oh, here he is. Just in time. [0:13] Chair/Presiding Officer: Right as the light turns on. Sorry. All right. Call the meeting to order. All right. We'll go ahead and get started with opening public comment. Seeing none. I have a comment about the mess in Union. I don't know where to put it in. We can do that in New Vistas? Okay. [0:44] Speaker B (unidentified): In Union? Let's follow the menu here. [0:48] Chair/Presiding Officer: Yeah, well, we'll get what he's talking about. All right. [0:52] Speaker A (unidentified): We don't need a brain amendment. [0:53] Chair/Presiding Officer: No, I think we're set to just run through this. So the next thing on the list is the approval of the August 27th and September 1 minutes. Let's take the August 27th first. Can I get a motion to approve? [1:10] Speaker B (unidentified): I corrected that wrong thing. [1:13] Board Trustee: Oh, okay. I make a motion to accept the August 27th. [1:18] Chair/Presiding Officer: All right, and seconded by Sue. All right, and discussion. They look good to me, so. All right, all in favor? All right. That is unanimous. So the September 1st minutes, may I get a motion to accept those? So moved. Rod? I just said Rod. I'm so sorry. Okay. Doing the same thing. I think that's the same thing. And Sue seconded. Okay. Any discussion? [1:52] Board Trustee: I've got to make a comment because I've read these and I undermined this vote when they were talking about the monuments and how they should be corrected. I thought it said they should be encased in cement. Do you see? I underlined it. I just read it now again and said they should not be. So my question is now muted. Fair enough. [2:14] Chair/Presiding Officer: That's always good. All right, all in favor? [2:23] Board Trustee: Unanimous. All right, sounds good. Moving right along. [2:28] Chair/Presiding Officer: Project updates. So, out of new posts, thank you, Pete, for picking those up. And I assume we are still waiting on the auger. Is that correct? [2:38] Public commenter: If I could verbatim say what I said last month, I would say it again right now. The machine that powers the auger has not been repaired, and so it's on their list of things to do when it's running. [2:58] Chair/Presiding Officer: Okay. Who manages that process? Is that public works that they're responsible for? Okay. [3:05] Board Trustee: I think Dean mentioned last week that it has been fixed. [3:09] Speaker A (unidentified): It's been fixed, and they're planning to do it next week. Okay. Dean just told me he came into the office and saw me, and he popped in and he told me that it was going to be done next week and that [3:20] Public commenter: the other part has been fixed. I love it when half the committee knows what's [3:26] Chair/Presiding Officer: going on. That's why we have the meetings to make sure. That's how it happened with [3:37] Board Trustee: With me too, I just happened to pass him in the hallway. [3:39] Chair/Presiding Officer: It is nice when the town employees are so excited. You just tell someone that it's hot and fixed. Like, yay! [3:48] Speaker A (unidentified): But I guess he had just talked to Brandon, and Brandon said, hopefully next week. But you know, it is supposed to be a dumb huge. It's supposed to be easy digging. [3:58] Board Trustee: How did they look? Did they look good, Pete? [4:02] Public commenter: The folks look good? My comment is it's A, B, E, 1. I would have loved to have put a six-inch space. [4:17] Board Trustee: Yeah, I bet. Oh, between the E and the 1. Yeah. [4:21] Chair/Presiding Officer: Which we technically asked for. Oh. So we, yeah. [4:27] Speaker B (unidentified): But if it's real bad, we can just maybe draw a line. [4:30] Chair/Presiding Officer: No, because it's routed. Yeah, it's routed. Yeah. Okay. [4:35] Board Trustee: At least you can see the numbers now. That's probably the most important thing, I hope. Would it be, is there space, and would it be worth routing just or just drilling a period after the right after the E? Well, I think we should just see them, I think. [4:52] Speaker A (unidentified): We'll have to see them. Yeah, where are they in the green building? Okay, so we can go and look. Yeah, okay, thanks. They're [5:02] Public commenter: piled two together. I'm [5:13] Chair/Presiding Officer: just making quick notes on this. All right, well, thank you, Pete, for picking those up, and a pre-emptive thank you for coordinating with Brandon to get them in. All right, moving right along then. [5:39] Speaker B (unidentified): The [5:44] Speaker A (unidentified): database updates. Database is updated today. Okay, right up through the end of August. [Speaker H (unidentified): No] problems. We probably should say that I've been working with the girls in the town office about the database, paperwork, and we've come up with, you know, I wasn't at the meeting when Joanne and Maureen were here, and so I went in and talked to them about it myself because I didn't want them to think it wasn't important. And so we've come up with some ideas. I don't know whether we have to vote on them or not. [6:28] Chair/Presiding Officer: I was going to ask [6:30] Board Trustee: you said you've come up with some ideas. You yourself met with them? [6:34] Speaker A (unidentified): The three, yes, the two of them and myself, because I'm the one that's working with paperwork most of the time, and so I had them run off all of the paperwork that is usually designated to either buying or burying, and we're coming up, we've come up with, we're trying to do a list of all the things that are done in the order that it's done in. They're working on that. 's not something that I can't put in, and we're changing the gray book reporter a little bit so that it actually serves the database more. In other words, it's not in the Thomaston Cemetery themselves. No. Because this is for the Thomaston Village Cemetery. And so they said that really is archaic. Their words, not mine. I didn't even know. And then they suggested that we put instead of lot owner, the original lot owner, because we're entering everybody by the original lot owner. And then writing in the affidavit who the person is that's responsible for it now if you want to take a look at the paperwork I also added a list with them of the size of the lots it's big so you can actually see it because on the maps it's like this big and nobody can see it and a list of monument people that are in the area that we can hand out to them so they can make their own decisions and then the paperwork that they use for opening the grave lot and all that jazz each person that comes in to buy a lot will have a folder so that they have everything all together and we've also talked about they have great difficulty with the map which size graves they are which ones are available so we talked about designating the size lots by a color code like a 6th grave lot has a red dot in the corner, a two-grade lot has a blue dot, and then the people can actually see on the map where they are, and they would like all of the lots sounded beforehand, because evidently the girls are saying, people come in and say, I want that lot, and they say, okay, and they go out and they look at it, and they say, I like it, and then they say, but we have to have it sounded to make sure that it is really virtually empty. [9:13] Chair/Presiding Officer: So, we talked about this a little bit last month, and we were going to sit down, and this is on me. [9:26] Board Trustee: I had that underlined, so that was my next comment. [9:28] Chair/Presiding Officer: Yeah, my month got away from me, and I haven't scheduled something. So, we were going to sit down and try to document what the policies and procedures currently are, so that we can then make some improvements around this. I do think you brought up some really interesting points around when we make changes, and I do think the changes need to be brought to the board. We're going to be changing how we are engaging with the town. Even if this board is not really doing a lot, even if it's, you know, Ron doing this mostly, I think it should come to the board for our review so that everyone here knows what documentation we're putting out there. Right, so I do think so. This is already their people. Yeah, just last time we voted that we, the people, and I would sit down, and I think actually bringing your perspective in as well, we can just maybe call, oh yeah, schedule something to bring your perspective in as well. I have not done that yet. That's on me, but we should be able to put something together the next [10:32] Board Trustee: But they should have known that. Yeah, they should have. We sat right here last month. I was the one who had the issue with it. We all agreed that the parties would all be meeting, and they were well aware of that. So that should have been said. If they came in and she was speaking, then they should have said there was supposed to be a meeting. Because it was clearly done. [10:50] Speaker A (unidentified): Well, if the three of you meet, that's a meeting. [10:54] Board Trustee: Yeah. Okay, but listen, the party of one. [10:56] Speaker I (unidentified): What I? That was my first time. [10:58] Speaker A (unidentified): I'm not doing, I'm only trying to facilitate for them because they have very little time. So I'm doing what they ask me to do. [11:07] Chair/Presiding Officer: Well, and they should have, that actually should have come to me because we had voted last time that I would be the point of contact on that. And I'm not, that's not against you. That is a, hey, there was a, they took advantage of a listening ear. Totally fine. And you have some valid points and a valid perspective that I don't think that I would have brought to the table. So I think there's value in that conversation, but we do need to make sure that we are funneling this through to make sure that we're all on the same page with that. [11:33] Board Trustee: What I'm understanding happened is that the ladies have started doing the work, started getting things ready and ran into you while you were doing the database. No. [11:46] Speaker A (unidentified): I went in to get the stuff from the database and we just were talking, right. [11:52] Board Trustee: So and I think that and now the meeting will need to be scheduled with whoever it needs to be, and they have already prepared some stuff to... [12:02] Speaker A (unidentified): Oh, you know what? I've just twisted the truth a little bit. In actuality, they contacted me to take a lady up to show her grave sites. That's how it came about. [12:14] Public commenter: I guess I didn't need it anymore then. [12:17] Speaker A (unidentified): No, you had already showed her grave sites, and so had God. And the lady was upset. Set. And so they said to me... [12:24] Board Trustee: We're on camera, though, okay? So let's be well aware of that, okay? [12:28] Speaker A (unidentified): Okay, I didn't say any names. But so that's why I came into the office. And that's why we started talking about this. Because the lady couldn't find the graves. And so Peggy and I figured out where they were, and I went up and met the lady on a Saturday morning and showed her the two of the three grave sites. I couldn't figure out where the third one was myself but two of the grave sites and hopefully she will buy one of them [13:01] Speaker I (unidentified): she might have gone elsewhere [13:09] Speaker A (unidentified): did I do something wrong? [13:11] Chair/Presiding Officer: I don't think necessarily you did something wrong I would just say that if any of us get a request from the town to do something that would historically go to the section or the assistant section just to communicate [13:20] Speaker A (unidentified): and let them know they had already done it [13:23] Board Trustee: Well, yes, but when I got the conversation, I called Peter. So he was right in the loop. [Chair/Presiding Officer: That's the thing.] He was right in the loop in the area. He and I had a conversation. [13:34] Public commenter: I've always shown somebody who wanted to find a particular lot and not tour all 327 of them, or whatever the total is. [13:48] Speaker A (unidentified): I don't know what you're talking about. [13:50] Chair/Presiding Officer: So I was just saying, I don't think, and I may be talking out of turn, but I don't think you did anything wrong in showing the gravesite to someone. Thank you for good customer service. I think everyone on this board would want to be the kind of person that if someone from the town or community member is asking us for help, we do that. The only thing that I would request is that if we do that, we let Pete know so that he knows what's going on at the section in the cemetery, right? [14:19] Speaker A (unidentified): Makes sense. i thought see i made the mistake of assuming he already knew but he may have known that someone [14:28] Chair/Presiding Officer: had asked because he'd taken that person out but didn't necessarily know that you had then subsequently been asked but pete [14:36] Public commenter: i any anyone from the town office or somebody who's looking at lots who has contacted me or come to the house or whatever i've gone right up with them if i'm there [14:51] Chair/Presiding Officer: Oh, absolutely. That's no question. [14:53] Public commenter: And I always have that map with me because I was the one who laid out that section of the cemetery. [15:04] Board Trustee: I didn't have one of the pages that the town had sent me. Pete and I met. He said, Ronnie, the problem you've got is you don't have that other page. All of a sudden, I had the other page. It made life a lot better. [15:17] Speaker B (unidentified): Did she want to see others? You said she wanted to look at others? I don't know. [15:23] Public commenter: No. This is the first time I've heard of that, of what went on. [15:28] Board Trustee: No, why not? I think that as much as what you did was helpful, they need to be reminded maybe that... Just help people. Who did... Well, instead of like, that maybe nobody else should be called in the first place. [15:42] Chair/Presiding Officer: Well, because it sounds like, and maybe I'm misunderstanding, but it sounds like it was a person and had gone out there before a couple times, wasn't able to get what they were expecting, weren't able to see what they were looking to see, and Sue was able to... [16:00] Speaker B (unidentified): This was just kind of to soothe the waters. Yeah. [16:03] Speaker A (unidentified): I think there, yes, I think there needed to be just sort of a woman-to-woman, quiet finding of gravesite. [16:12] Public commenter: Well, what bothers me from what you just said, is that you couldn't find one. [16:16] Speaker A (unidentified): Well, she was interested in three. Three sites? 239, 231, and then another one. And Peg and I went up to the cemetery, and we couldn't figure out where the third one was. So I told her that these two were definitely open and for sale. And I sit, you know, and I'll find out where the third one is, but it will take me a while, and she said, no, I like this end one because I always sit on the end. It was just a personal thing for her. So I think she was interested in the one on the very end, which would be 239 I think, and so it wasn't an issue. So I didn't call you, otherwise I certainly would have gone home that day and called you, but she seemed to be sad. [17:10] Public commenter: My comment is, if you don't know where they are, then you go in the town office and get a copy of the... [17:19] Speaker A (unidentified): I had a map with me. [17:20] Public commenter: And you couldn't figure it out with the map? Neither could Peggy. Now I'm ashamed, because I was the one who built the map. [17:32] Speaker B (unidentified): But I think it would be a good idea if we could walk with you, it doesn't have to be the whole group, but I would like to see... how they're laid out. There were two stones fairly close together. And it's too complicated. [17:48] Public commenter: I know which two they are, too. I bet you. [17:51] Board Trustee: Was the first and the last name begin with an S? Pardon me? [17:54] Speaker A (unidentified): Begin with an S? I don't think we should say. [17:56] Board Trustee: I didn't say. That's true. Anyway. [18:00] Speaker A (unidentified): Anyway, I just was doing what I was asked to do. I'm sorry. There's no protocol. I didn't know there was a protocol. So I thought it was totally the sexton or the assistant sexton responsibility, but the lady needed to be held. [18:20] Public commenter: You have a document there that I've never seen, and I don't know if it's correct. A document? In the folder? [18:28] Chair/Presiding Officer: Yes. Well, and that is why I think what we need to do, so let's... [18:31] Speaker B (unidentified): This is not boarded. [18:33] Speaker A (unidentified): No, this is just something that they are working on. [18:37] Board Trustee: I think this is why, one of the reasons why we're working on the process and why they need to be updated. Because if they're updated, there is an outlined, exact way of doing things that this wouldn't happen. Agreed. [18:54] Chair/Presiding Officer: It shouldn't happen. Right. I mean, it still might, but at least if we have something that we can point to that says, This is how things are done, you know, and that we all are aware of, that we have clear documents, that we have something. And I think, you know, having some of these documents, you know, whatever Pete is zeroing in on here, I think it is important for all of us to be aware of that. [19:21] Speaker B (unidentified): And it's good for a starting point. Absolutely. [19:25] Public commenter: All right, so just comment this has to be corrected. Okay, that one's out of business. That one doesn't do monuments. Okay, but Ben Pratt does. Ben Pratt has his own business now. He talked to me. Okay, so did you understand it wasn't on this list? Ben Pratt's not on that list. [19:51] Board Trustee: Like a page? I think the list probably definitely needs to be updated now that we know. [19:58] Speaker A (unidentified): Ben Pratt, right there. [20:00] Chair/Presiding Officer: I'm sorry. [20:03] Public commenter: Continued on next page. I didn't read that on the first page. [20:07] Speaker A (unidentified): This is just a working... [20:12] Public commenter: See what I mean? I thought that was it. Continued on next page would be really good. So our answer is officially closed. [20:18] Chair/Presiding Officer: So those are... Hold on, hold on. We are getting ahead of ourselves in that document. Right. We need to revisit that. I agree that we need to revisit that and that we need to have a clear understanding of what's being provided to a citizen who is coming to work with us in the town. So I don't think this is not the meeting to get into the nitty gritty of how it works and what it should look like. So we have a meeting that I will schedule to work on that. Let's put a pin in that for – well, actually, can I just get the Breen Amendment so I can go out of order? So my plan was mostly – so last meeting I was hoping to talk to the lady about what happens, partly because I don't know the current process, and that, hey, maybe in talking through it we can identify gaps. But we've had a couple conversations going in different directions. I know that Ron and Pete want to be involved in that. Talking to the broader group, should this just be a special meeting that we're all invited to, or do we want to specifically keep it smaller? [21:40] Board Trustee: So if they're smaller, if the three of you are having a meeting, then it becomes a special meeting, and it needs to be put on the website and advertised that it's going to be a meeting because it's a quorum. I would argue it's not a meeting because they're not going to make any decisions. I call it workshop. Right. Okay. Your school should probably announce it, though. [22:02] Speaker B (unidentified): I have a comment. Yeah. And I think it's in the minutes. I'm not sure. Are, but when we were discussing that and three people were mentioned, they said they would like me to, you remember that they said Peggy should be there too, and I said, oh no, I can find it in the minutes, maybe I said I would prefer it be Sue because she's the database entry person [22:26] Board Trustee: and knows what we're lacking, and it does say that in the minutes, which Ryan Ronnie Heaton [22:32] Speaker I (unidentified): And so it should meet the standard clearly, [22:33] Board Trustee: create a clearly delineated procedures, guidelines, and instructions. That was accurate. Everybody agreed to it. [22:40] Speaker A (unidentified): Okay. And they've been working on that with me. A bullet, a bullet thing of when a person comes in and wants to buy a lot, this is what we do first, this is what we do second. And Joanne has it on her desk. They are very busy. Yeah. They're going to be training us this week. That's what we're going to schedule something specific. And they've got the election coming up. And they had a new town residence thing, and I said there isn't a hurry on this. As far as I'm concerned, we just need to... [23:11] Chair/Presiding Officer: We just want to make sure that we're all aware of what's going on. [23:15] Speaker A (unidentified): We need to meet their needs. And that's what I heard when I was in the meeting. [23:20] Board Trustee: That's the last meeting. That's why we were going to meet again. [23:23] Chair/Presiding Officer: Okay, so it sounds like we're still on the same page. I'll reach out to them and schedule something. We'll make it a workshop. [23:29] Board Trustee: I say we can make it a workshop. That it's a public workshop anyways, so. [23:34] Chair/Presiding Officer: And these are the required attendees or the requested attendees, and anyone else from the board who would like to come, please feel free to come. I'll make sure everyone has the agenda and knows the time and order. And it can just be like this. And it can just be like this, and I will probably bring my laptop and start making a bunch of notes. [Speaker H (unidentified): All right, cool.] Since we can knock the next one off pretty easily, we'll go up to cemetery stone maintenance and repair. Thank you. Thank you for taking those pictures of the cemetery stone maintenance and repair. [Speaker B (unidentified): Okay. Okay. Thanks.] Yeah. Thank you for taking the pictures of the Lotz Memorial. It looked great. I think it's, I think we made a great decision. And I got the invoice this week and I just did the purchase order. It cost us $600. So that was so much cheaper than any of the other quotes that we had gotten, so that's really, a great relief. [24:41] Public commenter: There were four people working on it, and two of them were free. [24:46] Chair/Presiding Officer: Yeah, so thank you for taking pictures of that and seeing what we did. [24:52] Speaker A (unidentified): So yeah, he's glad to come back. Well, when he sent me the email, he said, I hope you know that we can do business again, and that is certainly something we can talk [25:06] Chair/Presiding Officer: about. I like the idea of doing that, and you can talk about that under project prioritization and your new business. That was why we agreed last time we were gonna have bring list. That's why I printed it out, just so everyone is aware. Where I talked with Jodell just a little bit ago about, hey, could we put money in a budget, could we add a line item for that? And she said that the accounts for this year are set. We can't add a new account for this year, but next year when we do the budget process, we can do a new account for this. And so I actually ended up charging this to our building, our building line item, $13,000 that we have, because that was, she told me it's easier to do it there than anywhere else. But that's what we keep in mind. I would like to have that as a, we talked about that a couple meetings ago, adding that next year, so I think we can do that. All right, anything else on cemetery stone maintenance and repair for the moment it [26:07] Board Trustee: was fun to go around with those guys [26:09] Chair/Presiding Officer: though it was. Yeah, it was a good time, and hearing what they can do. Yeah, what's [26:13] Speaker I (unidentified): but they recommended [26:14] Board Trustee: don't mess with that one, it's not going to do you any good [26:17] Speaker B (unidentified): and how he kept saying that do no harm, but the other thing I thought was important [26:24] Speaker A (unidentified): was you don't have to do [26:26] Speaker B (unidentified): the whole stone necessarily to make it look new, just keep the writing legible, readable, which I never thought of it that way. That's great. [26:38] Speaker A (unidentified): Peggy and I are going to go to the annual meeting of the Main Old Cemetery Association, which is Saturday. Okay, maybe we'll be able to [26:45] Speaker H (unidentified): pick up some good pointers. I hope so. Is that the one that's in Orchard Beach [26:50] Chair/Presiding Officer: was, I know it's in Owl's Head. Oh, Owl's Head, Owl's Head. Yeah, so I was wrong. You were asking me earlier, it might be, apparently it's next weekend. [26:59] Board Trustee: It's this weekend, Saturday. I've heard about that at their select board in the [27:05] Chair/Presiding Officer: rain, and you were asking where the cemetery is, that what you, that was [27:09] Public commenter: What's going to be my next question? [27:11] Board Trustee: What cemetery? I lived in Owl's Head. [27:14] Speaker B (unidentified): It's going to be at the community center. [27:16] Board Trustee: Oh, they're crossing the airport, Pete. [27:20] Public commenter: Okay. I thought we'd be out in a cemetery working. [27:24] Speaker A (unidentified): No,. It's not a workshop. [27:27] Chair/Presiding Officer: Maybe that's what I was thinking of, because there was a workshop. [27:30] Speaker A (unidentified): That was last weekend. In series 4. [27:33] Chair/Presiding Officer: Okay. There's just so much cool stuff going on. I'm getting them all confused. Used. [27:38] Speaker A (unidentified): Alright. And that was Judson. Judson is going to be up there with them. Awesome. [27:45] Chair/Presiding Officer: Alright, so then the last project update is the Fall Festival. The Fall Festival Stone Cleaning. So where I think we stand on that, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, Peggy, you have a list of,, stones with little histories, right? [28:07] Speaker B (unidentified): I've got the list of the people. Okay. I'm still finishing up on the histories. Okay. I had a few more myself this last weekend. Not mine. [28:19] Board Trustee: At a date, too. At a date. A thousand miles. [28:23] Chair/Presiding Officer: Okay. Okay, so I recall from the first meeting that we had on this that we were going to do like little cards or something or bios. [28:35] Speaker B (unidentified): I'll have a separate piece of paper for each of the persons. [28:39] Chair/Presiding Officer: Okay, and what do we need to coordinate with? [28:45] Speaker B (unidentified): I think Justice. [28:52] Speaker A (unidentified): Justice. I don't know how many people she has signed up on the bill yet. [28:56] Chair/Presiding Officer: Okay, but I guess that was my question, is what do we need to coordinate with her in terms of what does she want, what is she envisioning for, is it just a piece of paper, is it like, I remember it being like a cart size thing, but I think a whole, I mean a real history and a full sheet of paper. [29:14] Speaker A (unidentified): Didn't know something about, didn't she? Sue's been talking with her. I haven't talked to her since the meeting. No, but I mean you were the initial. Yeah, well, I may touch base with her at first. From what I understand, she has to figure out how many people sign up, and she's going to order the kits for that number of people, and then we'll have to have the corresponding stones. I don't think she cares what format the people get the information, but I can ask her. Her. Want me to write that down and do that? [29:47] Chair/Presiding Officer: Yeah, format and also what else she needs from us. [29:54] Speaker A (unidentified): She needs us, our presence. [29:56] Chair/Presiding Officer: She does need our presence. [29:57] Speaker A (unidentified): Because she wants us to be observers in the sense that we are responsible for the cemetery and what the people are doing. Okay. And answering questions. [30:10] Board Trustee: Is that still the... [Public commenter: What] is the date of that video? Saturday, October 10th, is that still correct? [Speaker B (unidentified): 24th, isn't it?] I have cemetery cleaning stones on October 10th, but it could very well be the 24th. I don't have it on the 24th. I thought it was the 24th as well. What month? That's the cemetery. [30:34] Speaker B (unidentified): Because it conflicts with Montpelier's event. [30:37] Public commenter: I have it the 24th, too. [30:40] Speaker B (unidentified): It's the 24th, and I think it's in the afternoon, 2 o'clock, maybe? [30:46] Board Trustee: 24th, starting at 10 a.m. 10 a.m. [30:49] Speaker A (unidentified): Oh, 10 a.m. All right. Yeah, if it was at 4 o'clock, it would be dark. Oh, that's right. Is there a rain date? To my knowledge, there is not. No. Okay. [31:00] Board Trustee: But I couldn't... [31:02] Speaker B (unidentified): No, I think you're right. I don't think there was a rain date. [31:05] Board Trustee: If there is, everybody wants to see it. We're on... That's a Saturday. [31:08] Speaker A (unidentified): Okay. Would it read off the poster? Let's see. [31:11] Board Trustee: Cemetery stone cleaning helped preserve Tomosta's history one stone at a time. Part of the Thomaston Fall Festival, which is also happening here, while that's going on. October 24th, starting at 10 a.m. Supply kits will be available for registered participants. Thomaston Cemetery 38, Erin Street, Thomaston, Maine. $25 per person to participate. There's a QR code registered today. Space is limited, so scan the QR code to register. And there's more information. There's a whole website, I guess. [31:49] Speaker B (unidentified): And Ron, you were going to put some tape around the thing. It needed to be. [31:53] Board Trustee: When I bring in the notes today, I reminded myself and said, I'm sure at some point somebody's going to tell me what and where, [32:00] Speaker B (unidentified): and I'd be happy to do it. Right. I'll meet with you if you want me to. I'd love to. [32:04] Speaker I (unidentified): I'll do it. You're going to make it, because that way I can make it. [32:06] Board Trustee: Wait until it gets a little closer. [32:10] Speaker B (unidentified): We've got a date in the cemetery. That's right. [32:14] Chair/Presiding Officer: All right, so make sure I understand. Peggy, you're finishing up the histories. Sue, you're going to follow up with Justice. Mark off the table top. [32:32] Speaker A (unidentified): By the way, when is our next meeting? [32:35] Chair/Presiding Officer: It's the 22nd, so it's actually, I just looked. It's two days before. Okay, so we do have... So we will have a chance to review. But if you could, if you could CC me on the message to Justice, and if Wi-Fi okay, we'll send it out to everyone just to make sure everyone's on the same page. Otherwise, we'll look for an update on the 22nd, which I think brings us to the Sexton report. I [33:11] Public commenter: think I may have mentioned that with the lack of rain we have fall foliage in early, September, and it's continuing to turn. I have some maple trees up there that leave. I'm hoping that it's not going to hurt their growth. We've been busy up there with funerals, and I get the crew to get the leaves sucked up. The thing I've ever seen, and I don't know what the physio has come out in the long run. I hope we have a wet fall. I really do. [34:00] Speaker B (unidentified): Is there a number of funerals? [34:03] Board Trustee: I've received three notices. I think one was full body and two cremains that I saw. You're well, I'm sure you're well. That was like bang,, bang. [34:18] Public commenter: And we have a disinterment of a child coming up for the sake of her, of the child's sister. She wants him exhumed and moved. And that reminds me of the only other one we've done, which was an horror show. And somebody steered me to a paste that's, it's a well-known brand. You mix up small batches at a time and repair holes as much as two inches deep on concrete blocks. And when things slow down I am going to try that to see if it works on the green [35:19] Speaker A (unidentified): building yep I've been reading about some stuff too because I thought maybe we could do it as a project and then I was thinking that we could maybe paint it with some kind of waterproof paint like they use in basements that would preserve the cement block even more than regular preservation regular paint and I also asked somebody to give us another bid and a great building to save it okay [35:55] Board Trustee: We already bought some mortar to replace the blocks so we've had that for a year. We have. Yes, sir. We voted on it. And that was back when Sandy was still the chairman. I was going to say, that was the water. I remember that. [36:15] Public commenter: Did anybody know where it is? [36:17] Board Trustee: Yes. I think it's in that green building. No? It's either in the green building or Sandy's. That's why I say I think we moved it when we were moving that stuff. I put them up on the table so that they weren't on the ground. It was still dry. It may be different because we only got one bag as a test. I think I saw one unopened, untouched bag, and it was also an open bag somewhere. But I put them both on top of the table so they wouldn't get wet. So all that, let's spin back because we're going into the way back machine now. That all was pending a decision on are we keeping the green building or are we demolishing the green building? As far as I know, we've never had a vote. We've never made that decision, so I don't see the point of, you know, getting bids and all that unless we're going to take that into consideration in our vote. But starting to spend more money getting the putty or paste and so forth, I mean, we've already spent some money and we've got a test project and I did the research for that and got recommendations from professionals and that was what was recommended. So it is a special wall and block repair more, right? [37:40] Speaker B (unidentified): So I think getting a bid is a good idea that will help us decide whether we want to go ahead to one way or the other. [37:51] Chair/Presiding Officer: Which all of that I think is valid conversation. We do have a whole section for talking about projects. I think we're getting a little sidetracked for a sectional work, but thank you for bringing that up. And so it's if you could continue with your sectional reports and then you see it going on, no. [38:09] Public commenter: It is really other than we continue to do cremation and we have a full body. [38:18] Chair/Presiding Officer: Coming up. Okay, well thank. You, Pete. Thank you for keeping the order. And then that brings us to. [38:29] Board Trustee: The assistant section report. I just have a couple questions, but now, Pete, on the new section closest to the woods, why is that now got everything on it? I mean, they're just using that dirt piles. I was up there that day, my god, there was all kinds of things on that last row over me too. [38:46] Speaker A (unidentified): Too, wondered what was going on. [38:48] Board Trustee: Yeah. Now, excuse me, can you clarify that? You said the new section. [38:52] Public commenter: Is this the... Well, it's the 12th. [38:54] Board Trustee: Is that it? I didn't know what we were talking about. No, it's the 12th. We stopped for a second. 12th. Thank you, Peter. Okay, or whoever. Okay. But again, I just drove up there and I went, wow, I mean, that was just... Are you aware of the. [39:07] Public commenter: Water main being put in over on the. [39:10] Board Trustee: High stream? I am now, yes. Yes, I am aware of that, yes. [39:14] Public commenter: You saw the black pipe, the water pipe, the two piles of that and the piles of gravel? [39:21] Board Trustee: I probably saw the piles of gravel. I'm not sure what else I saw, but I just saw a lot of stoppings. They always use that section and I just get more curious than anything as to why they always... It was just piled up. So you answer the question. It's all come from by Montpelier. [39:37] Public commenter: It's going to go all the way up to what's the first road on the left? [39:42] Board Trustee: Oh, wow. Okay. Good. Okay. I'm fine. And another question. I drove up and looked at where we want to put the green burials. Yeah. And you had said something about you had cleared some limbs. I don't see that. I went out there purposely and I said, I don't know where it is. I'm sure it's there. I just can't find it. That's all. [40:07] Public commenter: Did you walk all the way through? I did not. This big spruce, that's this big, everything on the burial side was taken off, so that you could walk. [40:19] Board Trustee: I was on this side, looking from the bottom up, you know what I'm saying? So, okay, I didn't walk out. I was just up there, not on purpose for that, for another reason, and I said, well, I'm here. [40:31] Public commenter: I had another call about that today. The green burial? Yes, are we doing green burials? [40:45] Board Trustee: Was that just a curious question or somebody actually wanted to do one? [40:50] Public commenter: They wanted to know if the town of Thomaston was doing any green burials. That's the question I got. [Chair/Presiding Officer: I'm assuming.] Ask you and me that if they're asking they want one. [41:05] Chair/Presiding Officer: Yeah. [41:07] Board Trustee: It could be just some industry. [41:09] Public commenter: Oh, to pass the time of day. [41:12] Board Trustee: No, I don't know, take it like a survey and say where, how many, how many cemeteries in the state of Maine are doing this. Well, I remember we were doing. [41:21] Speaker A (unidentified): That trying to get information. Yeah, well, I did it. I called around and asked about. [41:27] Board Trustee: That's why I'm wondering if it's a, it's a potential customer or just somebody. [41:31] Chair/Presiding Officer: Taking a survey, they're not there, knock that door down anyway. Yeah, call Joanne Richard. Either way, it's good to know that someone called and asked about it. All right. Next, we can take a look at the budget. I honestly haven't had a chance to look at it myself. I don't actually see where the $11,000 that we had talked about last time is supposed to be coordinated in here, but I've had conversations with Jodell in the past where adding budget is really difficult after the fact in their current systems, so that is still a pending point of clarification for me is where that is supposed to be. I was expecting to see. That in the reserve, but we don't have that at the moment. That was a carryover. Yeah, the carryover, I, so I need to find out where that's supposed to go or if that's just a kind of new habits kind of thing, and that's something that I need. [42:40] Public commenter: To have more clarity on that. I have a question when you are ready for, I heard. [42:51] Board Trustee: Rock, first question. No, I'm just concerned that, you know, I hear your comment that it might be something we just know we have, but having worked on accounting systems, that just rubs me the wrong way if that's the way we're actually doing. [43:10] Chair/Presiding Officer: That agreed. I just remember having a conversation with Jodel, actually a couple months ago, about how the budget system works for this and that it's not easy or possible to add which. [43:23] Board Trustee: Right, but going into a new accounting year, if there's going to be a change, that's the time. [43:29] Chair/Presiding Officer: And so it might, that's what I'm saying, is it might be that we just need to say hey, we're. [43:34] Board Trustee: Going to have that, but it's going to be, I request we get that in writing. Yeah. [43:41] Speaker A (unidentified): When would we be working on next year's budget? Pretty soon, to be in March. [43:47] Chair/Presiding Officer: March, yeah, I know. I'll be here before you know. Maybe I'm just too excited for. [43:53] Board Trustee: It, I'm too excited for it. I thought it was soon. I think it goes down, we're. [44:02] Chair/Presiding Officer: We're only three months into the current fiscal year. Give us that. Which actually a lot of municipalities have worked with that. That's about when you start. Okay. [44:13] Board Trustee: Right now in the reserves, the only thing they have is that special project that we talked about with CARA. I want $1,000. There's no carryover. Yep. [44:22] Chair/Presiding Officer: So that is something that I will get clarity on so we can figure that out. [44:26] Board Trustee: Yeah, if you want to put us an audit, it has to be somewhere. [44:31] Chair/Presiding Officer: That's true. Any other questions or concerns? Yeah, oh yeah, sorry, I'm always gasified at the. [44:47] Public commenter: Amounts that are put under each column and where they get the idea that there's going to be so much money coming in from bull burials, from cremains. Did somebody throw darts at a, you know, a number board, or? [45:12] Chair/Presiding Officer: Didn't you say last year that it was based on, what was it, a three-year projection? [45:19] Board Trustee: Projection based on last three years' data, supposedly. Yeah. [45:24] Chair/Presiding Officer: What I'd like to do for next year is be a little more clear on that, so we have more a clearer tie. I don't remember this group sitting down and. [45:37] Public commenter: Coming, so how many of this and how many of that office didn't they know we did. [45:42] Speaker A (unidentified): So we did over the last five years, how many cremains, yeah, and how many full body burials there have been, and the average was between like 24 and 25 a. [45:58] Chair/Presiding Officer: Year of both, and that's why next year I want, so we did this, yeah, I remember that. [46:05] Public commenter: Meeting, yeah, well I have it, I am fine, I must not have been there otherwise I. [46:10] Chair/Presiding Officer: Would have been shaking my head and so this is why next year I want to make sure that we'll take the same thing right and we have the data and we'll basically what happened last year is we started the process a little bit too late for it to be a super clear process. I'd like to start it earlier next year. I mean he really wants to get started but actually taking a look at it and putting together full workbooks for we have like one meeting where we looked at the workbook and that was it so I'd like to get started on that earlier and we didn't really have time to tie it out to get your input and actually make sure that what we see in the database is tied out to [46:52] Speaker A (unidentified): well I didn't work from that I worked from the work orders and we had a black book that went back to 2019 and we did every year from 2019 until 2025 because 2026 hadn't started yet and we recorded cremains and full body burials individually and then grouped them together as so many people buried in our cemetery per month [47:20] Board Trustee: I think that we could keep that up to date keep doing that every time the way I intended to do it today what's this year and I write no words like what's the average every single budget [47:32] Speaker B (unidentified): we've got better data now right yeah [47:39] Speaker A (unidentified): actually would you buy the work orders what's in the database and I believe [47:44] Chair/Presiding Officer: them to be yes would you mind would you have time to do that before next meeting Yes. Okay. Could you do that for next meeting and then send us a document that has the, you know, by year, full body and remains so that we can see those numbers and then we have a visual of, because what I expect has happened over time is we're seeing less full body and more remains. Exactly. Definitely. And perhaps, and it sounds like what you were saying, because I remember this from last year is that like the total number of burials has remained pretty consistent but the proportion has shifted and so I think that we could then take a look at that we have some eyes on it and we'll yeah review that to get started. [48:31] Speaker A (unidentified): I wonder why Pete reacted so much with the number 24 to 25. [48:35] Chair/Presiding Officer: And that's why we're gonna if we have that in... [48:37] Speaker A (unidentified): Do you think that's low or high, Pete? [48:40] Public commenter: That number is way high. Yeah, I agree. [48:43] Board Trustee: I might have unity if they want the number to be lower than right but until [48:52] Speaker H (unidentified): we get the fact yeah so we'll take a look at it black and white yeah I took all my 25 minutes out no worries no worries we do so we'll look at that [49:05] Chair/Presiding Officer: assume people do that for next meeting then we'll get that added and we'll have [49:10] Speaker A (unidentified): Conversation about it. Do you want me to send that to you before the meeting? Yes, please. [49:16] Chair/Presiding Officer: That way it can be included as a pre-read, you know, document that gets [49:21] Speaker H (unidentified): sent out to everyone. Okay. [49:25] Speaker A (unidentified): You can send it out with a... Did we set a date for the special meeting? Not yet. Okay. [49:41] Public commenter: Okay. All right. Did you have any other concerns about the project yet? No, but it's bugged me and [49:46] Chair/Presiding Officer: I decided to no I think that's great and so we'll actually hopefully we'll have some more information about that next meeting let [49:55] Speaker A (unidentified): me ask has anybody ever seen the paperwork for people to leave money to the to the cemetery I understand that you have to fill out the document to have a trust [50:08] Public commenter: I've never seen one in all the time I've been here okay we have a trust let's make that a new [50:15] Speaker A (unidentified): business money to this if leave people leave money to yeah how do we go how do they go about doing that and is it something that we should be suggesting [50:27] Board Trustee: beautiful every organization does have in the bottom of them I think that's a [50:36] Chair/Presiding Officer: really good thing to bring up with the town in the discussion that we have on policies and procedures okay and I think that we could have a button of you know would you like to leave the town of Thompson town cemetery in your will yes [50:52] Speaker A (unidentified): ma'am I understand there is a pre-existing paperwork but I know I keep forgetting to ask the girls about it and I'm sorry sort of out of order that just popped into my mind and I let it come out yeah so I made a note right [51:08] Chair/Presiding Officer: making it right now actually right anything else on budget I think we're set all right so Rob you're gonna come back to flag figures I would like to talk about the veteran flag holders as a perfect but project prioritization are you okay with that is that okay where are we now so we're gonna we're gonna skip down to new business oh hey actually real quick right now we'll do Let's do new business A. Let's do new business A. What's that? [51:41] Board Trustee: Oh, that's what I said, 9A. Yeah, 9A. Yeah. Okay. [51:44] Chair/Presiding Officer: So I printed out the, and I think it was the right one, this is the document that I found and someone had sent to me of the ideas from the September 1st, 2022 workshop. [51:59] Board Trustee: I did all the writing, then we put revenue and public promotions and I can't remember what the F is? Finance. Finance, thank you. I remember watching that meeting. That was one of the first cemetery meetings I watched. [52:16] Chair/Presiding Officer: Because I think the R isn't revenue. I think it's something else, right? [52:21] Board Trustee: I think it was a priority type of thing that you were doing, right? Yes, absolutely. [52:28] Chair/Presiding Officer: And so we've had a number of different ideas and keep coming around things that are important that we would like to prioritize. And so, coming back to, we've already done a lot of work on this, what can we do with this list, and new and or changing priorities, what do we want to focus on this year? And would it help if we walked through some of these? [53:02] Board Trustee: Some of these have been accomplished. Yeah. I mean, how does it work? [53:07] Chair/Presiding Officer: I'm thinking it's great [53:09] Board Trustee: but some of these have been done [53:10] Chair/Presiding Officer: or working on the signage has largely been done I know we talked about wanting some maybe additional signage [53:20] Speaker A (unidentified): the entrance signs we were talking about doing and I think if we started that project we probably ought to finish it [53:29] Board Trustee: are we going to stay at four or are we going to walk to one [Chair/Presiding Officer: that was the] The order of it was done, that's all I'm saying. [53:36] Chair/Presiding Officer: So did the order have, was the 1G free for, was that a prioritization? I wasn't here for this meeting, so can someone tell me a little more about how that was? [53:46] Speaker B (unidentified): I think the order may have changed, too, in priorities perhaps, or it could have. [53:53] Board Trustee: At the time, they were priorities, and I think we have addressed a lot of them. Right. the two I can see that but I'm trying to figure out what those were the buildings on here [54:07] Speaker B (unidentified): I can't remember the symbols I can see the buildings [54:11] Chair/Presiding Officer: I think I have the buildings should be added [54:16] Board Trustee: I'm surprised the building isn't there was a second page we have all kinds of stuff [54:21] Speaker I (unidentified): there are some things missing from this [54:26] Board Trustee: Sandy had all the scrolls [54:28] Speaker I (unidentified): I think there's a wrong one [54:30] Speaker A (unidentified): because i printed the one that i have i sent you one a long time ago i've got another one [54:36] Board Trustee: september 22 boy that was no that's been since then this is september 1st 2022 i don't believe [54:43] Chair/Presiding Officer: it this is the other one that i had which was just yeah there we go is that the right one [54:49] Board Trustee: i mean it's got yeah because see this after his financial and his maintenance yes with this That's August 4th, 2022, at 3 p.m. Burien Memorial Garden, Columbarium. Yep, these were, there we go. [55:02] Chair/Presiding Officer: Okay, so I printed the wrong one. My apologies. No, worries. And is this in order of priority, or was this just... P.M., I'd say. Well, no, like, yeah,. But is number one the highest order? [55:20] Board Trustee: This is August 22nd. [55:29] Chair/Presiding Officer: And R is records, is what it was. [55:32] Speaker A (unidentified): You guys, this is August, and then it looks like she maybe bunched everything together for September 1st. Yeah. So this is the cleaned up... [55:43] Speaker B (unidentified): Cleaned up copy. Yes, because the numbers correspond. Yeah. [55:50] Speaker A (unidentified): Because this one has the same things on it, like the geocaching, drainage areas, the things that were not getting prioritized, she didn't put on this. [56:00] Board Trustee: The buildings still aren't on here. [56:02] Speaker I (unidentified): The building's not on here. Green Island. [56:08] Speaker B (unidentified): And that has come to the surface now, and that's an important one. [56:13] Board Trustee: I think we can certainly, [56:15] Chair/Presiding Officer: I can think of it, [56:16] Board Trustee: we're in Memorial Garden and Columbarium, they shouldn't be one and two. [56:22] Speaker A (unidentified): The columbarium that they looked into, correct, this was before I was on the committee, and it was extremely expensive. [56:30] Board Trustee: I'm well aware of those. [56:31] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah, so they sort of tabled that for now? [56:34] Board Trustee: That's what I'm saying. I'm looking at these top two. I think they could be replaced. [56:40] Speaker B (unidentified): Can we start and just go down? Yeah. [56:44] Chair/Presiding Officer: Well, actually, so if we look at the big list, we can see why some of them were not. Brought forward. Brought forward. So we know what's going on with the Erdmulraga and Palmberg. With the numbers. So the Facebook page and the website. Actually, I think this is something that is... [Speaker A (unidentified): Verse 17.] So that is something that actually might come out of our conversations with the town office. Because one of the things that they had brought up in the last meeting was wanting to make sure that our communication with the outside world was clear and this also might be related potentially to the GIS mapping which will be the next item on our agenda. So I think that's something that we could actually have some discussions about in the coming weeks of [57:40] Speaker H (unidentified): how we want that to look. Are you talking about Facebook pages? [57:45] Chair/Presiding Officer: Well, the Facebook page and a web site, right? Some kind of online presence. [57:50] Speaker A (unidentified): I was wondering, too, if... [57:53] Speaker B (unidentified): I haven't said too much about it because I don't know if I want to do it, but if we could have a little paragraph in each newsletter that says what we're doing and just get our name out there and let people know that, hey, we're here and this is what we're doing. I don't... You know, for PR, which is kind of like the Facebook, but less work. [58:15] Board Trustee: We can talk about this avenue signs. Right,. They're pretty simple. Okay. And that will always add, put stuff in. Where are we? [58:27] Speaker A (unidentified): We've said stuff. Where are we on here? It works. Where are we? [58:30] Chair/Presiding Officer: So we're doing, we're going through the numbered list. We're going through the, not the one that I gave you, not the one you printed out, but this one, if you have a copy of it. [58:42] Speaker A (unidentified): Okay. This is your copy, right? Yeah. Okay. [58:45] Chair/Presiding Officer: This is your copy. So what was the we've got four trust fund account What was the intent behind that just for [58:56] Board Trustee: The cemetery? Yeah? [58:57] Speaker H (unidentified): I mean, that's what is the intent behind the list, the item on the list here. We have one trust fund account. Yeah. [59:18] Speaker A (unidentified): So that would have to do with what we were just talking about. If people have the information to will us money, you know, it would be lovely if every town resident will us a thousand dollars at the time of their death, we'd be doing okay. [59:35] Speaker B (unidentified): I think they addressed that too. We had some meeting where they told us how that trust on money that we got every year worked. [59:43] Board Trustee: But it's a very convoluted and it all goes together. Right, because we that way we get more bang for our buck, right, and put all the funds together, right, and then we'll get a percentage, that's right, but people can [59:56] Speaker H (unidentified): add to that trust fund, correct? I mean, so you can donate money to it. Yeah, okay. [1:00:01] Chair/Presiding Officer: Yeah, that should be there if you donate money to the Tom's didn't feel [1:00:05] Board Trustee: something that's that's where we go. Yeah, I think that isn't there a war and I am every year allowing the select board to accept yeah donations and so yeah. [1:00:18] Speaker A (unidentified): Okay. So why were we going to prioritize that? What were you going to do about it in 2022? [1:00:24] Board Trustee: I don't remember. I'm just thinking it may have been we wanted a bigger share. I mean, it could have been. I'm sure it was revenue-driven. That's the only way we're going to get money. Okay. [1:00:36] Speaker H (unidentified): Okay. All right. [1:00:38] Chair/Presiding Officer: So just to make sure we're on the same page with you, the next one was an adopted grave program? I don't even know what that is. Well, it would be some kind of like a you would pay to like have anything like you pay money like to adopt a street or something or might even be just but I assume because it's financial it's absolutely you could pay to adopt a grave and pay money to have it cleaned or something like that I don't know if that's it must be a [1:01:03] Speaker A (unidentified): program out. Yeah, I don't think it's a priority at this point. Well and so first [1:01:08] Chair/Presiding Officer: let's just go through the list of items and then we can have a conversation what do we want to prioritize this here like we don't need to reinvent the wheel [1:01:14] Board Trustee: right? I don't think we have to prioritize the entire list either. Yeah, agreed. [1:01:22] Chair/Presiding Officer: Then the next one is Cemetery Records on Tomlip Lake, which is done. [1:01:28] Speaker A (unidentified): It's done, but I'd like to see the section lot and row put up as well as well as the alphabetical list because it really helps you to find graves. [1:01:41] Chair/Presiding Officer: Yeah, and we'll also see what we need to have with a GIS solution, because that would help as well. Okay. The next one is all cemeteries under town control. [1:01:55] Board Trustee: That has to do with the butler. Okay. [1:02:00] Speaker A (unidentified): Oh, okay. What about Tilson and John Bapst and the other ones that exist in Thomaston that we're just ignoring? [1:02:09] Board Trustee: I don't think we're ignoring them. [1:02:12] Speaker A (unidentified): Well, we are, in a sense, ignoring them. [1:02:14] Board Trustee: Okay. I think the idea behind that, though, was remember we wanted to take Butler and let the family take care of that? I think at that time, that was probably part of that situation. Well, I think we were also looking at Elm Grove, weren't we? Because there was rumors that they were going to basically hand it over. They didn't want to manage it. Correct. They didn't want to manage it anymore. Yeah. That also was part of that. [1:02:37] Chair/Presiding Officer: But it looks like that also fell off the categorized list. [1:02:40] Public commenter: So just a comment that this was the second year where they've spent funds. [1:02:46] Board Trustee: And I was, I was about to say the exact same thing. It looks like somebody is [1:02:51] Chair/Presiding Officer: actively managing at this point. They're doing a great job and everybody doing [1:02:56] Board Trustee: some, which one are we talking about, Elm Grove, that one, oh yeah, Joe for a week has a fairly good endowment, so [1:03:08] Chair/Presiding Officer: the next thing is signage, which we've actually done a lot of work on. We know that we still want, maybe there's still some things that we could do there, following gravestones and disrepair. We've already had conversations around that and that could look like grants. We [1:03:27] Speaker B (unidentified): don't have any grant writers in our group. Yeah, do you write great, do you [1:03:38] Board Trustee: It's a huge amount of work. There is a gentleman in town that does those, my other organization. [1:03:47] Speaker B (unidentified): Yeah, I have heard of people that do that. [1:03:50] Board Trustee: That's a lot of people, in a lot of ways. [1:03:54] Speaker A (unidentified): What kind of a grant were we looking for back then? I couldn't tell you. [1:03:58] Chair/Presiding Officer: Probably for repair. I would assume that most of the grants would be around preservation. [1:04:04] Speaker A (unidentified): Because I think MOCA gives grants. That's something we can find out. [1:04:09] Chair/Presiding Officer: We don't know what kind of grants they give and would it be ones that we want or would apply to us. Because a lot of grants will have very specific, you can only use it for X purpose. Purpose. [1:04:25] Board Trustee: Like for example, the Knox grave site restoration was funded by several grants I think through the Historical Society, the, what was it, S-A-R-D-A-R or something. I remember the S-A-R-D-A-R Society sits in Henley. Henley Knox Lodge in Boston. [1:04:52] Chair/Presiding Officer: So probably not, maybe something we're going to be able to prioritize immediately, but the next one is water supply to sunrise section. [1:04:58] Board Trustee: If need be, right down the middle of an avenue with a ditch, which trench it, put the pipe [1:05:04] Public commenter: in and fill it back in, [1:05:06] Board Trustee: compact it and Peter's got his hand up. [1:05:10] Speaker A (unidentified): Somebody ought to contact someone and ask about it. [1:05:13] Chair/Presiding Officer: Brandon has had a [1:05:16] Public commenter: problem keeping a full roster. He had one disappear or leave two weeks ago, and I haven't even seen an ad for a new person, and they're still painting white striping wherever it's still needed. That's a two-person job. I was surprised to see the striper going back up to the shop this past week, so there's just, if there are other things that are more important, I'm sure before [1:05:57] Speaker A (unidentified): you know, it winters here and he's plowing. He did say to me that there's many cemeteries locally that have no water supply. Rockland's big cemetery, I think it's a Acorn, doesn't have any water supply, and we have two. And I think he was sort of saying to me, you know, we're lucky we have two. [1:06:21] Board Trustee: There's a spigot on the back of their building for Acorn. [1:06:24] Speaker A (unidentified): Maybe it's not Acorn. I think he said a Rockland Cemetery has none. Some have one, but most of them you have to schlep your water to where you're going from one main water supply. And I do remember him telling me that. [1:06:42] Board Trustee: It's nice that we offer that because we've all taken advantage of it. I, for years, always carried water jugs in the back of my vehicle and, you know, fill it up or bring it from home. But it's nice that we do that. I don't see this as a priority. But it would be nice to certainly have it down in a section. [1:07:00] Chair/Presiding Officer: But you're right. So that can be a nice-to-have on the list. [1:07:04] Public commenter: Yeah. Yes, keep it on the list. [1:07:07] Chair/Presiding Officer: Keep it on the list. Okay. So the next one is competitive fees with neighboring towns. I think that is something that we can review with the ladies. [1:07:17] Speaker A (unidentified): They're updating the list as it is now because they're adding the $50 to everything. [1:07:21] Chair/Presiding Officer: Yeah, and so we can see... [1:07:23] Speaker A (unidentified): This is wrong. The one I showed you is the old list. [1:07:26] Chair/Presiding Officer: So we can take a look at that in the review. [1:07:31] Board Trustee: But you know, when you come right down to that, if you want to be buried in a common cemetery for a reason, I don't know that a fee is going to make a difference. I don't, I mean, if you have long history here in town, I don't think you're going to sit there and say, well, Rockman's $50 cheaper, I just don't think that will happen. [1:07:50] Chair/Presiding Officer: Oh no, I agree with that. I'm just curious what I hear from that is making sure that we have some parity with the other [1:07:58] Speaker I (unidentified): we should be in the same home park [1:08:02] Board Trustee: but I don't think that's the, I don't think that is the reason that people choose to, no matter, they're not price shopping. If you're going to be buried in the village cemetery, there's a reason why you want to be in the village cemetery. [1:08:17] Public commenter: I was at the New People's. [1:08:23] Speaker A (unidentified): Oh, did you go to that? [1:08:25] Public commenter: Yes, I had two, actually three, if somebody comes to the other one, but not a person stopped to ask. [1:08:36] Speaker B (unidentified): Well, they just come to town, they're not planning on leaving right away, I don't know. [1:08:41] Public commenter: I had a sign on the all the lots in Sunrise, and with the sign, maybe I shouldn't say it. [1:08:58] Speaker A (unidentified): Somebody told me it was quite cute. [1:09:01] Public commenter: Get a lot while you're young. [1:09:04] Board Trustee: Oh, Peter, you borrow that from Jefferson, Maine, it's been out on the street in Jefferson, Maine for 25 years. [1:09:13] Public commenter: All right, I found that first in Lewiston. [1:09:17] Board Trustee: That's a bummer, but it is right in Jefferson, you drive by, there's a big sign right there at the cemetery crossing the town office, that's exactly what it says, that's cute. [1:09:29] Public commenter: I'm not a nibble, so I, people are. [1:09:38] Chair/Presiding Officer: So the next one is Expansion Room, Section 12, what was this about in particular? [1:09:46] Board Trustee: I think what we've been talking about a long time, honestly, is about lining that up for future, mark it out and say who's going to be where and what you're going to do. [1:09:56] Speaker B (unidentified): Do we have quite a few in, well, we don't know exactly how many we have in Sunrise, do we have any in 11? [1:10:03] Public commenter: Yes, less, meaning I sat here very quickly with the map. [1:10:07] Speaker B (unidentified): You did and gave you the numbers, yep, you did, how about 11, they're open lots of 11, they're not. [1:10:16] Public commenter: There, they're all sold, some of them are not used at all yet, okay, we don't have, some of them don't. [1:10:23] Speaker A (unidentified): Have names on them in the in the database, I could show you, Pete, I could print it out and show you, and then you could tell me no, that's wrong, okay, all right, I'll do it, I'll try to do that too by next meeting, awesome, thank you. [1:10:41] Speaker I (unidentified): I'm going to be a busy girl, yeah. [1:10:47] Chair/Presiding Officer: So then the next is Dreamy. [1:10:50] Speaker A (unidentified): Oh, did I add something to Section 12, yeah, we're going to, the day that I was talking to Brandon, I never met him before, and Dean introduced him to me, and he said she's one of the trustees of the cemetery, so he started talking about the cemetery, and I said, have you put in the poles yet, I hadn't been out to the cemetery, and he said, no, but the auger's going to be fixed, and that was maybe three weeks ago, so it has been fixed, but also, he said, you know what we'd like to do? And I said, no, I don't know, and he said, plant the trees for Section 12 so they start to get some growth, he said, we have a lot of trees. [1:11:35] Board Trustee: Pete has a lot of trees, yeah. [1:11:37] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah, and he said that they could start planting them. And I thought, wow, that's pretty cool, because they'd start to look bigger, you know, they'd be in place. And I'd love to have one put in section 11 between the two trees. It [1:11:53] Public commenter: could be that way. Continue your sentence. [1:11:57] Speaker A (unidentified): There needs to be a little shade in 11 in one space. From my grave. [1:12:04] Public commenter: So if I do that to you, then the next person who finds out... [1:12:09] Speaker A (unidentified): Well, there's a big space between the two trees. There easily could be a middle tree. [1:12:14] Board Trustee: We don't want Sue to get sunburned. [1:12:16] Speaker A (unidentified): I know. I'm very fair. [1:12:19] Board Trustee: That's a joke, Pete. That's a joke. You're looking at me very seriously. [1:12:22] Public commenter: I don't... [1:12:24] Speaker A (unidentified): I'll show you when we're up here. [1:12:25] Chair/Presiding Officer: But I think the larger question is... [1:12:27] Speaker A (unidentified): He wants to plant the trees. [1:12:29] Chair/Presiding Officer: I think that's a thing that we can talk about with this. I assume Pete has a reason why those haven't been done yet. [1:12:39] Public commenter: In 12th? Yeah. The eastern end has a 50-foot diameter low spot. And that should be filled in before we start putting trees. [1:12:57] Speaker A (unidentified): Okay. But couldn't you put trees in the other end? [1:13:01] Board Trustee: You know, but is that a priority? I'm sorry, we sit here and talk about what Brandon can do and all that stuff, now we're worrying about whether we should plant a tree. [1:13:09] Speaker A (unidentified): Well, he suggested. [Speaker H (unidentified): I understand that.] So maybe something they want to do. [1:13:15] Chair/Presiding Officer: There's a possibility. There's also, you know, what we ask to do matters as well. So it sounds like with section 12 there's some various considerations that we have there. So the next on the list is drainage areas is? I don't know what this is about. That might have been 12, [1:13:35] Board Trustee: which you were just talking about. [1:13:38] Public commenter: I don't know how to tie it into that [1:13:40] Board Trustee: both words. I don't recall that one. I don't know. At one point we talked about that area if you're looking at the Knox gravesite behind there and Peter mentioned probably a year or two ago that it was very marshy there, right? Oh! [1:14:01] Public commenter: The pond on Section 2. [1:14:05] Board Trustee: Well, I never heard it called that before, but okay, we'll take that description. [1:14:11] Public commenter: Our kids, when we moved here in 73, the next, that winter, they were skating over there on that pond. That's why there were no burials in that area. [1:14:23] Speaker B (unidentified): It's very wet. I don't even know why we listed it here. [1:14:27] Board Trustee: I don't recall either. Not at all. [1:14:30] Speaker A (unidentified): And the ground penetrating radar, we found out, was so expensive, that sort of went to the four limbs? That's right. [1:14:38] Board Trustee: How much did it cost? I can't remember. It was a lot. It really was. I mean, ooh. [1:14:44] Speaker A (unidentified): My bond went less than that. It was like $10,000. [1:14:48] Board Trustee: I actually followed that because there was a lady in Hope, I think, that was involved in that. And I dealt with her for a while, really did back and forth conversations. And she would bring it up in hope, and that's how I remember. But I know that it was expensive, yes. [1:15:09] Speaker A (unidentified): I wasn't here then. [1:15:11] Board Trustee: But it is. It certainly wouldn't be a priority. I think Sandy told me. But what we wanted, that's for sure. And I think that was also related to Butler, something there. Probably. Yeah, it could have been. Because we didn't know if it was buried there or out there. It could have been. [1:15:25] Chair/Presiding Officer: I mean, yeah. The prices I recall what stuff you know I would buy but what a day and that looks just as nice as could be today very well done all right so then There was cost-saving mowing maintenance and we're kind of limited on that one [1:15:45] Public commenter: Based on it did we get are we in the second year of that contract yes or Oh, third year. [1:15:52] Board Trustee: Second. I said second. Yeah. That's the end of the conversation. [1:15:57] Chair/Presiding Officer: And the last one was promotion through things like geocaching. And I think, actually, we have started to do some of the more community-oriented things with the tours that we have done and the fall festival, but... [1:16:10] Board Trustee: Ironically enough, my daughter and I hit a geocache in there a couple Weeks ago. All right. In the cemetery? Yeah. Where? No, I just want to say one thing when you were talking about bids. I listed a piece of property in the area, and it includes everything, okay? And one being lawn mowing. And there's 75, I think, coming. The gentleman who bid, $27,000 or something like that. Oh, the other ones were higher. I mean, he bid way too high. And the new numbers that they're talking about now next year, and I'm not talking major loans here, folks, and the next numbers they're talking is definitely in the high 60s. Where is it [1:17:15] Public commenter: It's in Warren in Warren [1:17:17] Board Trustee: Is this just a residential property [1:17:20] Public commenter: Yeah really how big is it how many acres [1:17:23] Board Trustee: It's 75 pieces I don't want To get into oh separate Locations you mean No all in the same location [1:17:33] Speaker H (unidentified): Okay but again that new number [1:17:35] Chair/Presiding Officer: Is going to be in the 60s folks so we're going to have to ask the town for more Money well I mean that's But that is a... [1:17:43] Board Trustee: But he sat at 27, not at 80-something, okay? So, yeah. But I just want to say, you know, that's... [1:17:50] Chair/Presiding Officer: But that kind of was... Well, because, yeah, next year at this time, I think, actually, I think it will be next year at this time, we will need to look at the bid process for the next one and hopefully gas prices are a little more stable. [1:18:00] Board Trustee: But that was... Unfortunately, this poor guy, his zero turn went, yeah. [1:18:06] Chair/Presiding Officer: So that brings us to the list of what you had talked about previously. And so I wanted to add to that the things that we have brought up here. I mean, obviously we've talked about signage and great stone repairs, important items. We've also talked about the green building and the veteran flag holders. Do we have anything else that [1:18:28] Board Trustee: you think needs to be done on the white building, Peter? Yeah, that was a question I had. White got it either. Are we done or do we need more? Probably paint the wood. [1:18:40] Public commenter: Would you trim around the big door and the little door? Okay. And maybe the double door and back. That's the only thing. How's that done? [1:18:48] Speaker A (unidentified): I think we have a spring project there to do the same thing we did on the green building, where we inventory and know exactly what is used for what. [1:18:58] Speaker B (unidentified): And sort it. And sort it. [1:19:00] Board Trustee: Did you get together over that area you were talking about? I'm sorry, though. Gutters, grain gutters? [1:19:05] Public commenter: I haven't seen any yet. Okay. [1:19:07] Board Trustee: I mean, that was a... We know that's a fire in the White Building. Yeah. Okay. [1:19:17] Speaker B (unidentified): But otherwise, it's pretty weather-tight now. [1:19:21] Public commenter: Which one are we talking? The White Building. Yes. Yeah. Okay. [1:19:28] Chair/Presiding Officer: So, I mean, with all of that, I think we do have a pretty comprehensive list, and maybe, I mean, my thought is that maybe we choose, like, two or three priorities for the remainder of this year that we want to focus on. [1:19:43] Board Trustee: Great words. I think it's three or four. I'm glad you said that. We don't need that much. But again, I think we can look right here and look at it. I mean, I think we're really... Our stones really seem to be a concern, cleaning up and repairing them. I think the building should certainly be there. The rest I would leave up to you folks. I mean, I can think of those two things, but not the man. [1:20:03] Speaker A (unidentified): It seems to me there's some interest, not just statewide but countrywide, in restoring stones. There's a lot of stuff on YouTube and stuff about it. I think maybe we should grab the tiger while it's got the tail and maybe get on that in the next couple of years since there is community interest. [1:20:21] Speaker B (unidentified): We don't have that mentioned at all here. [1:20:24] Chair/Presiding Officer: it's under fallen gravestones clean and repair it's number 9 on the long list I think that will be really interesting I'm really curious to see what kind of engagement we get for yet the fall festival I think that'll help us but regardless I think one of the things that I would be interested in doing is next year add a new line item and actually trying to see if we could get yeah have a budget for and have someone come out and do like a section at a time and maybe come up with a plan for what That does and promote yours. We asked for you know three $3,000 for gravestone repair for this year and here is what it did. Here is how we invested that to make the Santa Clara [1:21:16] Board Trustee: Look better. Again, I certainly am not in favor of adding to the budget, having been on the budget committee and we all know that our mill rate keeps going up and our tax bills keep going up and people are not happy. So, however, having said that, will be up to the budget committee. But if we get that $11,000 that supposedly [1:21:36] Chair/Presiding Officer: And he's in his budget somewhere. [1:21:37] Board Trustee: We could do a fair amount with that. I wouldn't suggest we use it all, but we certainly could use some. We all agree. I'm just throwing it out there. [1:21:45] Chair/Presiding Officer: I think it sort of sounds like a matter [1:21:47] Board Trustee: Of where we're going to allocate that money. Yeah. Right. Right. And if it's there, then... We won't take it all, but we can take it. [1:21:53] Speaker A (unidentified): The one thing I would like to say is if we do want to do work on the gravestones, other than the work that you guys can do yourselves, that they were explaining to us that day, if we want somebody like Judson to work on us, we have to sort of contract with him well in advance they're booked Joe just worked us in that Saturday [1:22:14] Board Trustee: Didn't he say he was booked for two years [1:22:16] Speaker A (unidentified): Or something? Joe's booked for four [1:22:18] Board Trustee: But he said he'd like to do [1:22:22] Speaker A (unidentified): He's here working on a project and we have a small thing like that he can do on a Saturday, I think he'd be willing to do it, but Judson if we wanted to hire Judson for a week I think we need to talk to him about it now and then maybe not tell him exactly when but that we want him so that he'll know we're on his list [1:22:41] Board Trustee: And I don't think it would hurt to search others that may be able to do that if they know we have a fine line and I'm speaking about Ben oh dear and I think saying oh dear is the wrong thing to say [1:22:58] Speaker A (unidentified): I'm sorry I had to say it [1:23:00] Board Trustee: Okay, but I don't think you should say that in the public thing. But I'm just saying, he knew the budget we were under. And I'm not asking to completely redo a stone, but I certainly have used him in Elm Grove for a client from the Historical Society. He did a fabulous job, and they were very thrilled. As a matter of fact, he did it twice and some other thing. So I'm not talking about the individual. I'm just talking about if a person knows our budget fine. What are we going to deal with? And you're qualified. Can you help us out? So I'm saying, this guy's out four years. I wish I had a job. I could be... [1:23:42] Speaker A (unidentified): You're talking about two different people. Joe Faranini, that repaired Moses Watts, is out four years. [1:23:50] Board Trustee: But as we've said about that, [1:23:52] Speaker I (unidentified): if we had that [1:23:55] Board Trustee: equipment, as Pete said, we could have done that ourselves. [1:23:59] Chair/Presiding Officer: Well, and so these are all the discussions that we will need to have once we determine what our priorities are and where we want to allocate money to, because we don't need to have a discussion about whether or not we're going to hire Joe four years from now if this isn't the thing I'm going to do, and that's... [1:24:16] Board Trustee: Hopefully by next meeting we know what money there is, right? Is that the plan? Exactly, yep. [1:24:23] Chair/Presiding Officer: So I guess the question now is, what are our priorities? It sounds like we're all on the same page. What I have as a list for the priorities is, I'm going to lump them together as the buildings, but we need to figure out what we're going to do with the green building and flag holders. It's a priority. Even if we decide we're not keeping the green building, that's a priority. The veteran flag holders, we need to make a decision about that. Rod did all this great work two months ago for us, and we need to make a decision to determine how we're going to handle this situation and gravestone repair it has been something that's come up repeatedly for the sickle repair and I think something that we all actually want to prioritize and I think we can and with a little money and some quotes from some people and some timelines we may be able to allocate out some of this work are there anything he's done a good job [1:25:18] Speaker A (unidentified): I'd like to finish the signage, too. [1:25:21] Chair/Presiding Officer: Yeah, we need to... Okay, if we can add that to the list of determining what Romanian signage needs to be done and putting together the list. [1:25:29] Speaker A (unidentified): And then that project would be... Yeah. [1:25:31] Chair/Presiding Officer: Okay. So that is four priorities. [1:25:34] Speaker B (unidentified): I can start adding newsletter information. Okay, if you think that would be a worthwhile... I mean, it's the group's decision, not... It's kind of an update. [1:25:46] Board Trustee: Like you said, talk about them, or a photo, a photo of the new signs. [1:25:52] Chair/Presiding Officer: A before and after photo of the Moses Swamp. [1:25:56] Speaker A (unidentified): You can start right off with that. [1:26:01] Board Trustee: I should have gone to that thing last night, Pete, and seen you up there with that sign. Okay, I'd also like a white plastic fence all the way up Aaron Street. Could we do that too? I didn't know how good that would be though, seriously. Okay. [1:26:17] Chair/Presiding Officer: Are we comfortable with those being our appearance? [1:26:19] Board Trustee: Yes, I am, but I can't speak to everybody else. When it comes to repairing the stones, there's definitely two that I can see that seem like they might be dangerous that are propped up, right? [1:26:31] Public commenter: Yeah. I'm sorry, what? [1:26:32] Board Trustee: The two stones that are propped up with a piece of wood, are those potentially dangerous? So, where? Right next to the Watts one. In five. [1:26:44] Public commenter: Five? Close, could you say close to it instead of next to it? Right. Yeah, well, when I was up there that day, when I was up there that day, I looked at them and I said, I better put something there before they flop down. Now that I know what to do. [1:27:04] Chair/Presiding Officer: I think those ones, because of the height, so those are only a couple feet high. I don't think danger is necessarily the concern. It is if they fall all the way over. There's a risk of breaking. There's a risk of damaged stone, right, that will make it harder to repair. Right, and you're gonna rock them up because you're concerned about them, someone getting hurt on them. No, you're probably because they're gonna fall. That was my question. Yeah, okay. [1:27:31] Public commenter: All right, a couple people with dirt shovels. Yeah, would probably get it back up in an hour. [1:27:42] Board Trustee: You talked about that, about the things that we could do, how you could fix some of those pretty reasonably. I was pretty impressed with that. I was impressed with the way they described how [1:27:55] Speaker B (unidentified): you do that too, where you dig on the side so there's no pressure on the stone. You dig on the one where it was leaning like this. You dig here and then bring it back. There was a right way to do it in a wrong way, so it wouldn't stress the stone. [1:28:14] Public commenter: The big problem with the wax stone was a rather significant piece of stone that was mostly on the east side, the cement plant side. Once they got everything off, Joe got on it and he did a hula dance on that rock. Wow. Okay. I don't know why the rock never broke in all those years, but I can see it right now. Had that not been in there, that stone, I don't think, would have tipped. [1:28:54] Board Trustee: Oh, interesting. Because the stone was moving, the big stone. The big stone. [1:28:59] Speaker B (unidentified): Is the big stone the one that did it separate? Is that the one that separated? And so it lost its support underneath the watch. [1:29:10] Board Trustee: I think that's what he just said. [1:29:12] Public commenter: It wasn't bonded to this one big piece of stone. So when you had frost going on, it was doing some kind of dance and tipping. And I was just amazed. He jumped down on there and did a dance on it. The thing was wiggling all right. [1:29:37] Board Trustee: That was, did we get a guarantee on that, by the way? [1:29:42] Public commenter: I know what to do now. That's right. Yeah, I am to prove it. Okay, so I think we have a list. I [1:29:52] Chair/Presiding Officer: don't think we need to, like, a motion or anything on these. What I'm thinking, and please correct me if Tom wants to do something different, we need to know how much money we have to before we determine what are we doing with the rest of this year or what we may be waiting for until next year. And so my thought would be that the next meeting we'll have an actual sit-down of here's the amount of money that we're going to have that we can allocate towards projects where we want to go. Discussion. Does that sound fair? [1:30:21] Board Trustee: Absolutely. All right. So again, Sue's right to talk to Panini or whatever his name is and, you know, say, here's X amount of dollars. [1:30:34] Chair/Presiding Officer: Okay, and then I don't know that we need an official motion, per se, for you to authorize you to go talk to the, or put together a newsletter item, but I think that sounds like a good idea. [1:30:48] Board Trustee: All right, please do. And if anybody comes up with an idea, I'll come in and work it out. [1:30:58] Chair/Presiding Officer: Perfect. All right. So then I think that is all. Anyone else have anything on project prioritization or veteran flag holders at the moment? I think we've covered everything that we can today. [1:31:09] Speaker A (unidentified): What about the veteran flag holders? [1:31:11] Chair/Presiding Officer: It's one of our items on the list. So we've added it to the prioritization list if we want to deal with this one way or another this year and decide how we're going to deal with that. But we need to know exactly how much money we have. [1:31:21] Speaker A (unidentified): Before we do that too, I got a call from Greg Hamlin and he asked, he told me that he had done, he had received a phone call from someone that asked him how many veterans were buried in Thomaston Cemetery of 6500 people, and he said he went to the database and checked there are two places that record plots that have soldiers in it, and also stones that belong to soldiers. And it was a ridiculously small number. And part of that is because that information has not been being recorded on the database over the years. And so Peg and I were talking about how do we find out how many people really do deserve a flag in our cemetery that don't even have a holder. And how many are up there, and we don't know how the Hernandez family, I think if I remember correctly, Pete, you said that wherever there's a holder, they put a flag. So we have a lot of missing or never identified veterans, and I need help. I'll do the research, but I went on VFW and stuff like that online line to see if I could find Thomaston residents that were in a branch of the service I can't find and so I think it's a big thing especially in light of what Rod said about getting you know a whole bunch of them maybe there's a break even if they're you buy more you know there is yeah and so we need to find out just how many soldiers do are not being honored in our cemetery and honor [1:33:09] Board Trustee: The Historical Society, right now, is working on exactly what you ladies are talking about. Susan's working with, oh God, I know his name, he ran for legislature, lives on Green Street. Plannigan. Mike has taken on a project for us, and I know he and Sue, him and Susan Devlin, are really trying to get a list together. So if you want to reach out to one of those, that might help a little bit. [1:33:36] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah. Okay. Are they working since the Revolutionary War through? [1:33:41] Board Trustee: Actually, I believe so. I absolutely believe the Revolutionary is one of the things that we've been talking about. [1:33:47] Speaker B (unidentified): Then we can help each other. [1:33:48] Board Trustee: That's right. That's what I'm telling you. [1:33:50] Speaker A (unidentified): Because then we can actually go in. I can go into the database and put them in as a soldier, veteran, and their branch of service. [1:33:59] Board Trustee: Now, there's a... What's the other one? No, that's her name. D-A-I. You know what I mean? Oh, Joanne? Thank you. I mean, she must know pretty good about the revolutionaries. [1:34:08] Speaker A (unidentified): Well, we pretty know our revolutionaries. Oh, okay. It's people that fought in World War I. I think maybe even people fought in the Civil War. People, Vietnam and Afghanistan, things like that. What I'm doing is when I enter somebody, I go and look up their obituary, because their obituary tells me if they were in the service. But that's wicked time-consuming. Also. [1:34:35] Board Trustee: Seriously, another way you could talk is Togus. Oh. They have a decedent affairs. That's a good idea. Okay. But Togus has a wonderful program over there. I used to use them a lot. [1:34:47] Speaker A (unidentified): And they could tell me if they were Thomaston. [1:34:51] Board Trustee: Especially if they were members or they had gone to that hospital, okay, they have a lot of records. That's a great idea. They've been a wonderful resource in the past. [1:35:01] Speaker A (unidentified): Okay. Okay, thank you very much, because I said to Greg, I don't know what to say. [1:35:05] Board Trustee: A call to ask for Deceit and Affairs. Deceit and Affairs. Yeah, there's a dedicated person, and last I dealt with them, they always were lovely. [1:35:15] Speaker B (unidentified): And we could, once we get our list, we could cross-reference with their list, so that we both would pick up. [1:35:24] Board Trustee: They also have another place. Their database is huge. Is it? Yeah, I mean, they can reach out to national. [1:35:31] Speaker B (unidentified): I'm talking about historical society. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't say that. [1:35:35] Board Trustee: Another thing you could cross-reference against is the Legion still have their honor roll board in the entryway? I know the Masonic Temple does. I do know that. On this list there. [1:35:53] Speaker A (unidentified): Do they have an honor roll? Right on the wall. [1:35:55] Board Trustee: You walk up the second stairs and it's right on the wall. Yeah, we have one, two, I think we ended up putting in Desert Freedom, or what is it, Stonewall, which one, yeah, so we added to it. [1:36:08] Speaker B (unidentified): Do you have access to that building? I do. If we could get a picture of it, then we could transfer the names. [1:36:14] Speaker A (unidentified): Would you mind doing that for us? [1:36:16] Board Trustee: I'll try to remember to do that. Okay, thank you. When you and I have coffee. [1:36:21] Speaker A (unidentified): It will be of help to Greg too because he was I think he was a little flabbergasted that we only had like 365 people or something like that were actually recorded in the database. [1:36:34] Board Trustee: Well I after we did the green building inventory yeah I was on the somebody called me as I was starting to drive off and I was talking to him on the phone I looked out the windshield shield down that back crossroad there and I just saw all these flags fluttering and after I finished my phone call I got out and took a picture I bet there was 35 or 40 flags flying just in the photo it was Vietnam it was gorgeous. [1:37:07] Speaker A (unidentified): It's impressive, but I don't like the idea that we have. [1:37:12] Board Trustee: Over the years, I can think of two government regulation stones, you know, from Memorial Day, that I've gotten out and microphone, and my father-in-law used to use a Legion member in New Jersey. He used to give me flags and I would put them up, you know, out there, keeping them in the van at the vehicle, and the other two to government issue. [1:37:39] Public commenter: Veterans' stones, those white stones, that had no [1:37:45] Board Trustee: flag holder, no flag. [1:37:48] Speaker A (unidentified): Well, some of them have been broken off and stuff like that, too. I think there are a lot of people that just, they've never been identified. [1:37:59] Speaker I (unidentified): Ron, funeral homes [1:38:02] Speaker B (unidentified): do not supply the flag holders. [1:38:06] Public commenter: If you want one, they will supply one and it will be in the final. [1:38:13] Speaker B (unidentified): Oh well, you as a client [1:38:16] Board Trustee: they don't know. They don't require. [Speaker H (unidentified): Well I mean] they're not a non-profit organization, so right, but I think they would end up doing the same thing as I've done about my own for my father and my brother. And so I think they would end up having to do the same thing, to be honest with you. [1:38:42] Speaker A (unidentified): I wanted to add something about the green building before we go on. I have asked somebody to give us estimates, and it's a broken estimate. It would be the roof would cost this much. The windows and the door frame would cost this much. Repairing the cement block and painting the outside would cost this much. So that we can pick whatever, you know, we think we can do ourselves versus what they would do, and it would be meant more affordable. I did ask him to submit, no I [1:39:24] Chair/Presiding Officer: think that's fine and I very least that will give us some kind of framework of [1:39:30] Speaker A (unidentified): cost, total cost, because the bills we have were from two years ago and it was fourteen thousand [1:39:35] Public commenter: dollars. Yeah, two years ago, windows. Yes, tell me what's wrong with the windows. [1:39:49] Speaker A (unidentified): I don't know what's wrong with the windows, but I was told that they needed to be replaced by [1:39:55] Speaker B (unidentified): by Brendan. In which building? The Green Building. [1:39:59] Public commenter: The Green Building? Oh, that's... Why don't you check with me on somebody else's thoughts about the Green Building, okay? We had a session there with somebody shooting the windows out with either air pellet guns or BB guns or whatever, and I got sick and tired of putting in glass, so I started putting in plexiglass and I left one there and I think it has 22 strikes in it just to show people what was going on. [1:40:35] Chair/Presiding Officer: Yeah, that's a lot. [1:40:36] Speaker A (unidentified): I think he was more talking about the frames. He was look at the building and give us an estimate, so what [1:40:44] Chair/Presiding Officer: this is all stuff that we will discuss when we have a better sense. [1:40:49] Speaker A (unidentified): He had to do it. I want to get permission. Yes. [1:40:54] Chair/Presiding Officer: Thank you for getting the quote. Please bring us that information, and we'll use that to make decisions around how we want to allocate our money. But we're not in a place where we can go in and talk about what we're going to fix or what's been damaged or what's not. That's not today's conversation. Okay. Anything else before we move on to the last bullet item? All right. The last bullet item is the GIS mapping. You notice she's not here this week. Turns out she had a conflict in this earth this time. She also has a conflict on our next meeting. However, she offered to meet if we wanted to do a special meeting next, you know, another Thursday next month. You could do that. She said she's available the first, the 8th and the 15th. I don't think there's [1:41:40] Speaker I (unidentified): any rush. Okay. Yeah, why don't we plan it for November? Okay. [1:41:47] Speaker B (unidentified): And I visited again, and I still have difficulty with it, so I'm eager to see how she explains it. [1:41:53] Chair/Presiding Officer: Okay, that's fine. I will see if she's available then. Alright, and the next meeting is... The 22nd. The 22nd. What will the... The concern I have about the November 2nd, that always... Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving. Because the 4th Thursday, which is our meeting, is always Thanksgiving. giving, so would we want to turn that third? I'll do the third, so that for November's meeting, do we want to do it on the 19th? 11 19. We're going to 26. Did we go past October? Is going to be the 22nd. Okay, but we were talking about trying to schedule the t-shirt from Knox County to come in November, so we're going to take a look at November's meeting as well. 11 19. 11 19 work for everyone? That's a