Thomaston Planning Board Reviews R1 Zoning Rules, Weighs Walmart Expansion

[0:00] Speaker A (unidentified): But I've been spending too much time trying to get the Sear's fork. [0:08] Speaker B (unidentified): Oh, yeah, Sear's fork. [0:11] Speaker A (unidentified): Sear's fork, yeah, I got the hole in it. You don't need the hole. It's, no. So trying to cut and paste the historic overlay part is what I was trying to do. Gotcha. And so, if you'll notice, I have to give up because the spacing and all that stuff because they've got ground spacing and all that. So anyway, just something we can look at. The only one that I found that had an actual, really in-depth, historic overlay. I figured if that overlay works, then... [0:43] Speaker C (unidentified): I really liked, when I was reading through the types of Zoni, I really liked the floating... [0:50] Speaker A (unidentified): Oh, you liked the floating? Oh, I didn't. [0:52] Speaker C (unidentified): I thought that was... [0:53] Speaker A (unidentified): I thought it was a little too loosey-goosey. [0:56] Speaker C (unidentified): I mean, yes and no, because you can be very specific with it and I feel like it creates the least amount of work. [1:07] Speaker A (unidentified): Okay. I don't know, somehow I made it look like it was more work. It's floating wherever and then all of a sudden, I mean some guy that wants to come and do some kind of a development, you've got these floating things and what does he think he's supposed to do? [1:23] Speaker C (unidentified): Okay, from that perspective I get it. There was another one that was like the third one down that looked also [1:31] Speaker A (unidentified): I didn't print those off because I was running out of time I was spending too much time [1:36] Speaker C (unidentified): I reached out to the Maine Forest Service I did not get an answer, however I had a message out to them to provide me with, if they have a template [1:49] Speaker A (unidentified): Because everything I could see, pretty much except for the two that did have something in there They all just said, oh, they refer it back to the state, forestry, main state forestry. So when they came in to you to talk about timber harvesting or clear cutting, you just said, okay, you need to contact this person, and this is the Belfast model, and you need to do these forms. I'm good at that. So basically, yeah, I spent my day mostly. I didn't even print off. [2:24] Speaker C (unidentified): the agenda tonight so if I can remember I don't think anyone's going to show up because the office was closed today yeah so nothing could get set up why are you cold you have to know blast everybody's in them and I made conference and I got stuff yeah and then they own that thing [2:47] Speaker A (unidentified): you said I was about going, Phil and I [2:48] Speaker D (unidentified): already registered for that. Oh, that's good. Perfect. [2:53] Speaker E (unidentified): Did you all come home, too? No. [2:57] Speaker C (unidentified): I drive to Augusta. [2:59] Speaker A (unidentified): I'm going to be there on Saturday. [3:03] Speaker E (unidentified): You go there for Sam's Club, right? [3:05] Speaker C (unidentified): No, I go there for training. [3:07] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah, no, I don't go to Sam's Club either. [3:09] Speaker D (unidentified): I hear you're going to work there. [3:12] Speaker A (unidentified): I used to be there. Okay, so I'm looking at [3:15] Speaker D (unidentified): I was [3:21] Speaker F (unidentified): thinking about it today, and I don't know if this is considered government overreach, but if there's a piece of property, say there's an acre of something that has never been forested, at least in modern memory, and it doesn't have any water or sewer or anything else in there, Before people, you know, they buy the land, before they clear-cut it, is there a way to have them come and at least show that we have a viable plan? I mean, I'm thinking of this guy over by the Walmart who just sort of cleared it all and went, oops, my bad, and walked away from it. I mean, I don't know if it's considered overreach, but... Overreach to do what? I mean, you know, the whole thing about, it's my land, I can do what I want to. Yeah. Yes, I believe in the ownership, but there's also the stewardship. Yeah. And is there a way to just make sure that there is a plan and it's viable before they clear-cut it and go, oh, I guess that won't work. [4:25] Speaker A (unidentified): So that's why I want to have something in the ordinance. Yeah. And that's why our ordinance is so huge. It's because of that, well, it's my land, I can do what I want. then the other piece of it is no you really shouldn't do some of these things yeah and I [4:41] Speaker F (unidentified): mean you can't legislate stewardship of the land and try to preserve the world for future generations you can't legislate it but hopefully you can slip some stuff in there that it from just careless clearing and just walking away from it after it's been destroyed. [5:02] Speaker A (unidentified): I don't know. It's kind of a sale, isn't it? [5:05] Speaker C (unidentified): At least a portion that I know of. [5:08] Speaker F (unidentified): I mean, the one thing, if you were to at least get it graded and put in a little bit of new landscaping to fix the damage, but it's just done up. [5:19] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah, now my big concern, as I said the other night, is that we get a real big storm and all of a sudden all of that stuff is going down into that little brook and then DEP will be all over us if somebody complains. [5:33] Speaker C (unidentified): They haven't done any real stump grinding from what I see and there was a lot of oak in there so my hope is that the oak does what it does and it shoots out its babies from the roots and starts regrowing, but there's nothing at this point, it just still bends, [5:54] Speaker A (unidentified): There's no... No. And we always try to be good about that, like on the corner you'll see the building is finally going out of it, and we asked him when he was here about the banking, and he said he was going to leave all of that stuff because it was keeping the banking. If he just said he was going to take it down, then we would have had to make him put all kinds of other stuff in there. So we try to be good about that stuff. Especially with the West King Marsh and stuff there, we don't want it to get [6:25] Speaker F (unidentified): filled up. I think development can be very beautiful if it's done intelligently, but to just change your mind halfway through and say, ah, this isn't going to work. Yeah. [6:39] Speaker E (unidentified): No, I agree. Courtney, short land zoning. How far is there [6:44] Speaker G (unidentified): a feet from the water line up how far is it varies based on what the water body is [6:54] Speaker C (unidentified): so tidal waters is 250 feet from natural high water and then it goes down from there so like great ponds and marshes 75 brooks and streams 25 and it just yeah so like the gig situation that's That's a Great Marsh, so that is 75, and that was... [7:19] Speaker A (unidentified): Most of the Great Marsh is not in Thomaston, it's in Southampton. [7:23] Speaker C (unidentified): It's in Thomaston, right. But that watershed is all over the place. [7:25] Speaker A (unidentified): We've got the watershed that feeds into it. And I know that was a big concern when we were doing Walmart, is about... [7:32] Speaker B (unidentified): Oh, I have to talk to you guys about Walmart. [7:36] Speaker C (unidentified): My phone has been blowing up all day today. Today. Walmart is going to be coming back with a bigger expansion. We have a cap on commercial buildings at 200,000 square feet. This is going to put them over. And so they're now going to be seeking a variance. [7:59] Speaker A (unidentified): My understanding is… So [8:04] Speaker E (unidentified): why can't they go bigger? [8:06] Speaker C (unidentified): It's going to be 4,000 more square feet than what they... [8:11] Speaker A (unidentified): In what way to prove? [8:13] Speaker E (unidentified): Are they going up or out? [8:14] Speaker F (unidentified): In the same area for the same... [8:16] Speaker C (unidentified): I don't know which direction, if they're going lengthwise, but I assume popping outward width-wise. I haven't seen anything. I just got the call this morning from Mara McKenzie, and she was like, okay. Because she's the engineer. She worked for the engineering company. She must go. Right. [8:35] Speaker F (unidentified): She must go. I saw that some company had bought a lot of the land, like where Tractor Supply is. [8:43] Speaker C (unidentified): That's a separate entity than Walmart. That's where Tractor Supply is. [8:48] Speaker A (unidentified): And Tractor Supply is still under the... [8:50] Speaker C (unidentified): They have sent nothing to my office or Lindsay's office, so, like, no plans for... [8:55] Speaker A (unidentified): Shapiro was a well-contacted way back then. It's owned by another company and they own everything. Walmart's the only one that owns their own space. Everything else is still owned by that company and everything rents from them. [9:12] Speaker E (unidentified): Where is the other lot, the empty lot in the middle? [9:15] Speaker C (unidentified): I think it's on the other side, back side of Tractor Supply. [9:19] Speaker A (unidentified): If you look at Tractor Supply, it's only half what it should have been. It should have been a complete same size, right beside it. And the parking lot continued out because they did not have anybody that was interested in it. They chose not to develop it at that time. [9:36] Speaker E (unidentified): Are they going to fill in the gully that's between the road and in? [9:39] Speaker C (unidentified): I think that's the retention pond that they can. [9:42] Speaker A (unidentified): Well, when you come in, you have this retention pond. You can't do anything. Well, you can. As we know. Legally, you should not fill in the retention pond. [9:53] Speaker D (unidentified): Okay, that's a variance. [9:54] Speaker E (unidentified): It was a way for them to get rid of their dirt. [9:58] Speaker A (unidentified): My understanding is variance is something we can't give. I thought there were just appeals boards that gave us variance. [10:06] Speaker C (unidentified): I told them that if the planning board denied it, they'd have to do a board of appeals. [10:11] Speaker A (unidentified): I was like, wait a minute. This is where I would get my computer. [10:14] Speaker D (unidentified): Variance. Come right up. [10:17] Speaker C (unidentified): I think she knew exactly what she was asking for when she called me anyway. Yeah, she was just like there's a lot of heavy sighing and that's like she [10:27] Speaker A (unidentified): thought she was done and they changed their minds like what do I have to do [10:32] Speaker C (unidentified): which steps and I told her and she's like okay well and she's gonna have the submission to me by the end of the month so basically it's a change [10:46] Speaker A (unidentified): What is the largest size we came up with? It was 200,000 square feet for a commercial building. You were not here, and I don't even know if you were living in town at the time. I know this one was way back then. We had this big brouhaha when Donald General wanted to go in wearing the tie [11:10] Speaker C (unidentified): I remember reading about it in the paper [11:12] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah, they wanted to go in and they claimed they were a neighborhood store [Speaker D (unidentified): I remember them] And so that was one of the quickest times I've ever seen this town all come together like, whoa I might have hated you yesterday but now you're my best friend. And they came together in a matter of only a couple of weeks. We had a special town meeting and designated a neighborhood store to be a certain size and commercial to be another size. Yeah. But before that even, when they were looking at developing out what Walmart is, we had a small size and there was a group in town and wanted it to be like 2,000 square feet maximum for all commercial buildings. [11:58] Speaker B (unidentified): Wow. That's really small. Which is very small. [12:02] Speaker A (unidentified): So that was where I say, the people that hated each other from that battle, because I remember that was the first time I got involved in anything in the town, I walked around handing out flyers explaining the size of this, and if you wanted to have any development out there and get tax money, you'd have to make it bigger. So that's when we came up with the total size, and it was only a couple of years later when make up the dollar general whole thing it was like oh my god yeah I'm not sure how much their [12:31] Speaker C (unidentified): requests would put them over that but it will put them over well the max so well [12:39] Speaker A (unidentified): she's going to come and explain why and what and then we'll go from there are you talking about the dollar [12:46] Speaker E (unidentified): general or whatever general dollar whatever it is there was a garbage store there was four where we where we were living and they had put a facade on the front and it made it look really nice. It's unbelievable what it just a little [13:02] Speaker B (unidentified): Yeah, but then you go in [13:05] Speaker E (unidentified): That's right, then you go in but it looks, it fit [13:08] Speaker G (unidentified): the neighborhood. It's because they made it fit the [13:11] Speaker A (unidentified): neighborhood. Yeah, it looked nice. [13:12] Speaker F (unidentified): And we tried that [13:15] Speaker A (unidentified): Oh, it's going to have to look like a cape, no [13:16] Speaker D (unidentified): they wouldn't do that. [13:18] Speaker A (unidentified): They put windows, I mean they basically wouldn't do anything to make it look like it would fit. And it was the 3A where it's got special, what it has to look like, and it has to fit, and it has all these things. And no, they weren't going to go along with any of it. [13:35] Speaker F (unidentified): So that's why the little Thai [13:37] Speaker A (unidentified): restaurant looks the way it looks, because that had to fit, and that's why it's a cape. [13:41] Speaker E (unidentified): and yeah it was the store in rockland where the [13:48] Speaker G (unidentified): yeah the dollar whatever that is there's a family dollar there it looks awful from the outside it looks like it's never a job lot no the one next to the dollar the dollar one yeah is it still open oh yeah there's a family dollar [14:01] Speaker A (unidentified): there and it's still open it's still open the one over by the rockland food service that [14:10] Speaker F (unidentified): That was full of garbage. [14:12] Speaker A (unidentified): That was. That was bad. Very bad. But, anyway. I heard people shop there. So anyway, so [14:23] Speaker F (unidentified): tonight. It wasn't worth the dollars that they were charging. No, it wasn't. [14:27] Speaker A (unidentified): I don't think we need to tackle this story. I wanted you just to have it, because you need to have it in your hand to be able to read it before we do anything. So I can say here, that's not fair. And I did make copies for the other two guys when I went back. [14:44] Speaker E (unidentified): When people complained about the historic district, is there any way of doing a brochure or anything to hand it out that people can say just because women make it historic it doesn't mean you are conspiring to not having you can paint this and paint that? [15:02] Speaker A (unidentified): Going through this, what I did is I finally just cut and pasted out their 85 page. [15:08] Speaker D (unidentified): Theirs is tiny compared to ours. [15:11] Speaker A (unidentified): They have quite a lot of stuff in there on the historic district and the standards and all that kind of stuff, and it's like whoa. So that's why I thought we'd start with that, but yeah, it's like this has always been the problem whether we've tried to have a historic district. You can't tell me what color to paint my door. You can't tell me what color to I mean we've got one on Main Street. [15:34] Speaker D (unidentified): With a bright pink door. Yeah. [15:37] Speaker A (unidentified): And then others that are, you know, black and dark green, the colors they used to be. [15:41] Speaker E (unidentified): But like you, I'm concerned about the next house that's going to come into that. If somebody tears down a house, what's going to come into that area? That's what I mean. [15:50] Speaker A (unidentified): It could be, unless we do something and put an overlay over it, could be a mobile home. [15:57] Speaker F (unidentified): That's right. Nobody wants water until it affects them. [16:00] Speaker A (unidentified): No, and that's it. And then all of a sudden they'll be screaming and hollering. [16:03] Speaker B (unidentified): Honestly, I don't even know if an overlay will supersede that law. I mean, we could do it, but I don't know. [16:14] Speaker A (unidentified): Okay, so if we've got a historic district... [16:16] Speaker B (unidentified): That's something to ask them, too, isn't it? [16:18] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah, something to ask them is, if we have a historic district with historic buildings, one by fire or whatever, is gone, can we prevent a mobile home from coming in? I'm not saying we have to build something, because I can tell you down anyway there was a big enormous captain's house down there that burned when I was in high school. Was that the corner of Knox and Thatcher? Because I know there used to be one there, it was beautiful. No, this one was okay going down Knox, it's the first. Is that Gleason? Gleason. Gleason. Gleason. It was Ben Harding's house, and it burned, and they put in this small little cape that's there now. And then the other one is where the apartments are for sale, where the apartments are on claim, further up on the right-hand side of Main Street. Chapman's house burned when we were in sophomore year of high school. That one burned to the ground, and that's in there now. There are apartment buildings, and the next one is that painted Victorian. So that had a big huge house the same size as that painted Victorian, and so then went apartment buildings. But that was back when I was not on the planning board. I was a kid, but anyway. So what I'm saying is these do on occasion burn, and there was one gorgeous one, left inside after Booker Street, sat way back, a little further back. And all of a sudden, it just burned up one night. Some kids were, it was empty for quite a few years. And so these things happen. And then there's the one at the end of Elm Street. What happens when that falls down? Because it's only a matter of time. The roof is now sagging. [18:27] Speaker C (unidentified): Are we talking the blue one there? [18:29] Speaker A (unidentified): No, I'm talking the white one. It's in the bushes so much you can't even see it. Next to the nice little yellow cape. Okay. Yeah. It's kind of like you're at the end of... [18:39] Speaker C (unidentified): There's a couple on Main Street that are empty and... [18:42] Speaker F (unidentified): It's just the living places. They moved out there. Yeah, they closed. [18:46] Speaker A (unidentified): I had no idea. They happened like that. Yeah. Wow. So that big yellow one in the corner? The loose set is closed. Yeah. The loose set is closed? [18:55] Speaker G (unidentified): They took all... [18:56] Speaker C (unidentified): Their residence and found them new homes and they're rightful and stuff in a dumpster. Yeah, I've had like several phone calls just this week because it went on the market and, Wow, can we have a bed-and-breakfast, can we do a different business [19:15] Speaker G (unidentified): Yeah, we couldn't get the help anymore, quality. I'm not surprised. I just feel [19:25] Speaker F (unidentified): For the people who were behold, I mean, I know John always walked around town, he'd [19:30] Speaker A (unidentified): Come to the dog. I'm shocked. I had no idea. Yeah, I was there. I was like, what [19:44] Speaker C (unidentified): This club, because Stephen Betts called me the night before, and of course my phone was off because it was after hours. Yeah, and then I called him back first thing in the morning, and he's like, has it sold? And I was like, what are you talking about? He's like, is the loose that close? And I was like, I don't know anything about it. And then literally 15 minutes later he talked to Lindsay, and she was like, yeah, there's a, there's like a notice that they closed down, and it was in the paper 20 minutes later. Oh my lord. Yeah, you can tell they haven't had time. [20:18] Speaker A (unidentified): Wow! That blows my mind. That was there from the time I can remember. Yeah. Someone's been there. Yeah. 50 years I spent. Oh, wow. Wow. You're [20:32] Speaker D (unidentified): really shocking me tonight. [20:34] Speaker C (unidentified): I'm sorry. [20:36] Speaker A (unidentified): The little steps closing and the Wal-Mart's expanding. [20:39] Speaker C (unidentified): I've had a day, I'm telling you. [20:41] Speaker A (unidentified): I know. I can see that. [20:43] Speaker C (unidentified): People are doing their applications for the mining thing, too. Jake Barber called oh he did [20:49] Speaker A (unidentified): so they're following through and they're actually getting their paperwork we know everybody else well [20:56] Speaker C (unidentified): we know who won't [20:59] Speaker A (unidentified): well yeah well that'll just be a yeah that'll be a nice little visit into court [21:07] Speaker G (unidentified): and all the rest of it 'll take forever [21:08] Speaker A (unidentified): it won't cost them it won't cost us [Speaker D (unidentified): it'll cost them] so that's what we need to do [21:19] Speaker D (unidentified): I'm still just reeling from this [21:21] Speaker C (unidentified): and it means that it's destroyed [21:23] Speaker D (unidentified): get off track the home kitchen they're closed [21:30] Speaker C (unidentified): permanently they're closing on the 18th no that's the bakery [21:35] Speaker F (unidentified): I hope they closed the restaurant [21:39] Speaker G (unidentified): if you tell me once this has gone out of business then that's it we're done [21:43] Speaker F (unidentified): we're done we're done there's no place to go for breakfast anymore except buttermilk but if you can't get mariner's in camden and it's fabulous but it's nobody wants to work where do you go for [21:58] Speaker C (unidentified): breakfast now camden what do you yeah that's very nice and it for every marriage but you can't find [22:04] Speaker F (unidentified): party i know and mariners is totally worth it but it's packed yeah you have to get there [22:10] Speaker C (unidentified): I mean, Marino's was always packed. To Rockport. [22:14] Speaker D (unidentified): To Rockport, what? [22:16] Speaker F (unidentified): They've got pimento cheese, bread, biscuits, and the fried chicken. And the blueberry jam. [22:25] Speaker C (unidentified): It's pretty darn good. [22:27] Speaker A (unidentified): Okay, now we're all getting hungry. Let's get something done here tonight. Ah, God. Alright. Recording. Yeah, we are recording. It's okay. they can go crazy we are do we want to do anything with the timber do we want to wait until the other two are back I think Claudia will have a lot I do that's fine with me I just wanted you to have it so yeah that aside and I [23:01] Speaker C (unidentified): would like to hear something too from the forest of this yes what's the a process. [23:07] Speaker A (unidentified): I mean, I was shocked. I mean, all those other ones, as I said, I went to Camden and Rockland and Rockford and Harris-Goddard and New Gadsden. There's not a lot online. [23:16] Speaker C (unidentified): I mean, I kind of scoured [23:18] Speaker B (unidentified): through, too, and I was like, there's nothing [23:19] Speaker A (unidentified): here that's tangible. And they all get down to that tomorrow, doesn't they? Contact the [23:24] Speaker C (unidentified): main, blah,, blah, forest service. Recently, in the spring, did a training with the Knox and [23:29] Speaker B (unidentified): Lincoln Soil and Water Conservation [23:32] Speaker C (unidentified): Before our service was there, and the person who was there was really great and was like, please contact me if you have questions, contact our [23:40] Speaker A (unidentified): office. I was shocked we're in the Southern District. Right, whatever that means, but [23:45] Speaker C (unidentified): but it's hard to get a hold of them because there's so few of them, they're out in the field. Yeah, they're out in the field where disease can be. But I have faith that they will call me back and they will be willing to, the guy that was there was like oversharing information. [24:02] Speaker A (unidentified): He was like, we can do this, we can do that, we can do this. So they'll have something, okay, good, well, let's do something simple, yes, that we can do, please, okay, can we look at the R1 district because I know our two with it and maybe doing a little bit of something there, but they are one, if we can at least, I handed them out a couple weeks ago somewhere, so they're in the A file somewhere. I finally found one. Anyway, if we could just go through and at least look at maybe the Thomason Street's part of it. You know, and then High Street, County Road, all the way to the Rothermore and Town Line. And so we can at least review it and see if there's some things that we really don't need in there. Do we want to add some things? [25:20] Speaker B (unidentified): Find it. I don't have it in this folder. [25:25] Speaker F (unidentified): It's okay. What page is it in this folder? I have a copy. [25:30] Speaker A (unidentified): Let me see if I've got any more copies in here. [25:33] Speaker F (unidentified): Yeah, it's copied in my car. It's okay. [25:37] Speaker A (unidentified): I'll make so many copies of all these things. Section 710? Yes, 710. Yeah, okay, 477. Okay, yeah, I didn't even bother to send everything to Mormon because I knew the office [25:50] Speaker D (unidentified): was closed, okay, so that's TR3, oh, here it is. [26:33] Speaker A (unidentified): I hate to point this out, [26:36] Speaker F (unidentified): but the table of contents pages are completely, oh no, [26:42] Speaker A (unidentified): formatting issue. [26:44] Speaker C (unidentified): We've been dealing with this. [26:46] Speaker F (unidentified): It's got us looking at pages 709. [26:49] Speaker A (unidentified): I'm crying out loud, are you kidding me? [26:54] Speaker C (unidentified): And that's the most recent copy that we just made from the last. Yeah, it's just the, you know, formatting. Marina was working on it too before she left and she was like, it's because they started out with some kind of software that only Dave had. [27:12] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah. And then as Dave, I would make corrections, send them to him, he'd format them, and then sometimes he wouldn't. And if you couldn't do it, you had to get your last one. And then I just started doing, I'm wondering if we like [27:28] Speaker C (unidentified): refresh it as Like scoop it out and take it and put it as like create it as a new word document Well, I think we can just trigger finger I get that I'm wondering about that, because I think if we started fresh, like we just took the guts, put it in a new document, and then it kind of negates all of the formatting. [28:03] Speaker A (unidentified): The thing is, whenever I've copied and put it on a clean sheet, like I do for these different sections, I copy, it's got these hard set something or other. [28:15] Speaker C (unidentified): Right, when it jams the text off. I wonder if he created the original in Publisher I have no idea because the transfer I've done that too like I take sections of it to send to people and I'm like why does it do this to me every time and I'm thinking it's because it's not how it was like oh god I have to use the word perfect [28:41] Speaker A (unidentified): Anybody that's got an Apple and uses WordPerfect. Oh yeah, she insists on using an Apple only and Word only. [28:49] Speaker C (unidentified): That's probably perfect either. [28:50] Speaker A (unidentified): It's like an iOS thing. And then she would send it to me. This is what we do in the book. She sent everything to me, and I put it in Word at the album. [28:58] Speaker F (unidentified): The worst thing is the outline formats. [29:02] Speaker A (unidentified): They don't stand up from the platform. And so you'll notice when you get looking at the one I just gave you on CS4, there's the PDF. And when you convert from PDF to Word, it does bizarre things. Yes, it does. So I went through, and that's why I was late, trying to correct the bizarre. Permit came out, PNNIT, P-N-N-I-T, instead of permit. [29:30] Speaker C (unidentified): It's like auto-correcting words. [29:32] Speaker A (unidentified): There was like 15 of them in there. And it's like, oh, it just changes, and some letters become symbols. [29:38] Speaker C (unidentified): The code isn't the same, so it doesn't communicate. [29:41] Speaker F (unidentified): No, there was something that they called it Sears-Paul. [29:44] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah, so I'm just saying, when you see those weird things, because I finally had to give up and said, okay, just print them and bring them. But yeah, when you go from PDF to a word, it messes things up drastically. [29:56] Speaker C (unidentified): I think I will have time someday to sit down and play around with the land use ordinance [30:04] Speaker A (unidentified): No, that's why we're hiring you an assistant [30:07] Speaker C (unidentified): That's a job They have to be capable No, [30:12] Speaker D (unidentified): that should be the job requirement [30:14] Speaker B (unidentified): That's to be [30:16] Speaker C (unidentified): It has to be [30:17] Speaker A (unidentified): I mean, good grief I mean, if I wasn't willing to sit there and spend I've been weeks doing this over and over, and I never, I cannot imagine a single page. [30:31] Speaker C (unidentified): I have like a little mini-inch or nut-nut every time I see that thing go back and forth. [30:35] Speaker A (unidentified): So, I mean, it's like, why did I even bother to take out my old one, which was double-paged? But anyway, I can't stand killing trees. [30:46] Speaker F (unidentified): You know, we did have a few spares in Tungsten, so. Yeah. [31:00] Speaker A (unidentified): Okay, sorry, all right, okay, if we just look at keeping in mind the [Speaker D (unidentified): purpose the] The district includes most of the town's rural lands. It also includes lands with multiple natural resource constraints that are especially important for their recreational, scenic, or other resource-based opportunities. The district is designed as a rural as opposed to a growth zone. I may have to change that. Its purpose is to allow a level of development and activity, including farming and wood harvesting. There we go. All this timber. Consistent with the protection of the natural features of the lands, any residential development in this district must be compatible with the character and traditional use of rural lands, preserving as much open space and forest land as possible, minimizing visual impact, and protecting scenic views. Plus, the development is preferred for any residential subdivision in this district. This preface was rewritten by the folks from comprehensive plan. [32:18] Speaker D (unidentified): Okay? Okay, let's start it. Anyway, just to let you know [32:22] Speaker A (unidentified): that was rewritten maybe three years ago. Something like that. [32:29] Speaker E (unidentified): And so... Three years ago? Maybe four years ago. I don't know. [32:33] Speaker B (unidentified): The comprehensive plan was written... [32:35] Speaker A (unidentified): No. Well, the comprehensive plan... No, I'm saying when it came time to review these, we used to have a big table out here and the comprehensive plan folks were here too. Gotcha. And they dictated what we did with the language ordinance. And then they disappeared. The next year when we were reviewing it, two of them showed up. The next year I put out the notice when we started, nobody showed up. Now it doesn't exist. But I just want you to know that this is the purpose before we start deciding what we do. Because if we go against the purpose, we'll be in trouble. [33:11] Speaker D (unidentified): Okay, so permitted uses. [33:13] Speaker A (unidentified): Some of these are things that are dictated by the state. Some you'll notice like accessory use for principal structures in every single solitary district and that basically means you can have a garage [33:25] Speaker D (unidentified): attached to your house [33:27] Speaker A (unidentified): You can build a standalone garage. That's basically what most people think of because being rural agriculture building or use including keeping large animals or poultry. That's good because we have a horse farm out on West Meadow Road, beautiful. And they're close to development because that's what they want. Commercial agriculture uses and practices. That's so that you've got the farm, well, a perfect example is the one out there that's got the alpacas, West Cape Farm. They then sell produce. So that's considered to be a commercial agricultural use and practice. And then duplex dwelling. I don't know whether we need to really duplex in. Do we change it to multi-unit residential? I [34:23] Speaker G (unidentified): don't know what if you put a slash mark on that. What was the one we [34:31] Speaker A (unidentified): were taking out of every, we're taking out multi instead of apartment. Yeah, because we already had apartment. That was multi-unit residential. I don't know. I don't know what it is with this room. Multi-unit residential structure. How are these going? Oh, mine's running all day. [34:46] Speaker C (unidentified): This room. This room especially. Oh, this room. No, mine's running all day at home. Anyway, [34:52] Speaker A (unidentified): so yeah, multi-unit residential is what we took out because we had an apartment building. Conditional. Right. These are permitted uses. So you've got, you put in manufactured or mobile. You put that in a year ago because it was mandated by the state. Government uses in buildings is everywhere, right? It's like R1. Would we want a government building in R1? What would it be, a farm? Funny, like a post office, like, well, any place better. We haven't got it now, right? We can't get in and out of it. [35:41] Speaker F (unidentified): I mean, I've got a little municipal garage. [35:45] Speaker C (unidentified): Right, like the town garage, fan shed, something like that. [35:49] Speaker A (unidentified): And I have one. I'm just saying, yeah. We've already got a garage. What else would we want? [35:56] Speaker D (unidentified): All right, what's my definition? [35:58] Speaker A (unidentified): Okay, so government building. Let's figure it out. [36:02] Speaker B (unidentified): I guess we should leave it because I can think of things that it could be. Okay, y'all. [36:10] Speaker A (unidentified): Okay, G comes after S. That's good to know. Okay, government uses in buildings. Any structure used by or use of any space solely for the conduct of governmental affairs or federal, state, or municipality, its agents, officers, officials, employees, and its subsidiary agencies. [36:37] Speaker C (unidentified): So, I mean, literally the only thing I could think would be like a sand shed. [36:44] Speaker D (unidentified): Tell me about it. Yeah. [36:47] Speaker C (unidentified): because sometimes they keep it in different spots, you know, [36:49] Speaker B (unidentified): so they can access it easier. [36:51] Speaker A (unidentified): Okay, it's been in there forever. I can tell you that. Yeah, I don't believe it. [36:55] Speaker F (unidentified): I don't think anyone will try to take advantage of it. I don't think so. [36:59] Speaker A (unidentified): Okay, so they've got emergency operations. Again, that's everywhere. Central services, that's like pump stations and like, you know, where County Road is, you've got the big CMP transformer. Those are central services. Keeping and raising horses, including horse boarding facilities. Yeah, that makes sense. Seems how we already got at least one that I know of. Narrow exploration. We added that last year. We'll leave it in there. It seems how that's where one is. At least one. Non-residential structures less than 100 square feet for educational, scenic, scientific, or nature. And there's those like kiosks. [37:46] Speaker C (unidentified): Oh, like at the walking trails and stuff? Yeah. [37:49] Speaker A (unidentified): Big boards. It could be just a, well, it could be like the... [37:53] Speaker C (unidentified): Or a sign that says... [37:54] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah, the museum and the street sign kind of thing. It could be a sign about this big, you know, and it's got a little bit of an overhang to keep it from the weather and just explains, you're looking at the West Keg Marsh, that kind of thing. Okay? Raising small animals. Yep. And roof-mounted solar goes everywhere. Single-family dwelling. So if we've got single-family dwelling, do we need manufactured mobile home in there? Manufactured home will always be considered a single-family dwelling. [38:27] Speaker C (unidentified): Let's keep it there until we talk to Ben McCall. [38:30] Speaker A (unidentified): That's a good idea. That's a very good idea. Okay. Now we've got soil and water conservation practices. That's standard everywhere. We're going to get down to conditional uses, and I don't know if we need 44 conditional uses. So, we've got accessory dwelling unit has to be there, affordable housing again has to be there. Can we have a common building or unit? It's a couple of little crosses, I didn't print this out, a couple of little crosses. [39:11] Speaker E (unidentified): I was going to say, I don't see it anywhere. [39:13] Speaker A (unidentified): Oh, it's going to be in your book, anyway. [39:16] Speaker D (unidentified): Right now, I'll just... [39:19] Speaker A (unidentified): An art gallery. Do we really think anybody's going to put an art gallery up there? What? [39:29] Speaker F (unidentified): They might, like, have a garage, I don't think. [39:31] Speaker C (unidentified): I can think of a few people who have come in for a home occupation that would... Well, that's home occupation. [39:37] Speaker A (unidentified):...fall into that. When I think of an art gallery, I think of what's... Like an actual gallery. Yeah, like what's on Main Street in Laughlin. You go into a gallery, and it's an art gallery. [39:46] Speaker E (unidentified): What's the church on the side of the library that's sold privately? [39:50] Speaker A (unidentified): Oh, that's not an art gallery. [39:53] Speaker D (unidentified): She lives right in there. It's an occupation. [39:57] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah, she came to us, and it's basically home occupation. Yeah, she took the choir lot and turned it into a bedroom. I chuckle every time I think about that. I used to sing in it quite a lot, but anyway, so then we'll leave out gallery then if you think that would be appropriate. I mean, my idea of that gallery doesn't mean it's everybody else's when [40:22] Speaker F (unidentified): they have like art walk type things or like St. George gallery where every artist hangs things up [40:30] Speaker A (unidentified): in their garage so you can go look at them, but that's not an art gallery, that's basically an out-of-store. Kind of different. I guess it's just my concept of an art gallery, so you can walk on Main Street. [40:45] Speaker F (unidentified): But they might leave it up year-round. Yeah. Whether it's a vanity project or something, they're really trying to sell, but yeah. [40:59] Speaker A (unidentified): We'll leave it. I don't think anybody's come in and asked for it. And it's been in there for a very long time. [41:08] Speaker B (unidentified): Well, it's been my tenure. [41:12] Speaker A (unidentified): Automobile garage excluding auto body. And that's just auto body because of the paint smells and everything else. We don't like that. [41:24] Speaker E (unidentified): Can they put in a filtering system or not? [41:30] Speaker A (unidentified): Pardon? Can they put in a filter? Oh my God, yeah, but it costs a lot of money. So most of them don't want it. But if you think an automobile repair garage, I mean, that would be just... I see it again as home occupation. Some guy just wants to use his two-car garage and start working on people's cars. This is why my little county road does it now. Yeah, well, you know what I mean. Yeah, he's on the list. Yeah. And actually in my neighborhood. And his two-car garage, he was prepping the cars for his car dealership where it worked. Until we found out he was also changing oil, and then we had the concern about what was he doing with the oil. So basically, we brought it to the attention of the code enforcement officer at the time, and I recused myself and sat back and let them discuss it. Anyway, he doesn't do that anymore. Beauty Salon or Barbershop. Yeah, there's one out there now. Yeah, already on Ross Avenue then breakfast thinking, yeah, I mean, our one is huge, it's going out Beachwoods, I think it's the day, yes it is. This is a professional office there again, if somebody's got a big enough space or so, let's say it's an attorney and it just wants to work out a front door of this his house, or somebody buys a loose set for example and converts it to business professional office, which I think that's allowed in R3. If any of these don't make sense to you, then just speak right out. Building your use of an education religious, philanthropic, fraternal, political, or social major not used for residential residency. That's so if somebody buys a big building out there on Beachwood Street [43:41] Speaker C (unidentified): or Oak County Road or West Meadow [43:42] Speaker A (unidentified): and decides they want to make it into a church. [43:46] Speaker C (unidentified): Like a Legion or an Odd Fellows or a church. [43:50] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah, or like, yeah, fraternal Odd Fellows or something like that. And then campground. Campground is the only area we do allow campground, including RV park. And we do have restrictions on it, so that's why it's conditional. Cemetery. There's good ol' Neil's Cemetery. He's in our one. Crematory. Because if somebody puts in a large cemetery, they can have a crematory. Church. Commercial agriculture and agricultural sales of farm products on the premises. Again that would be like West Cape Farm [44:33] Speaker D (unidentified): Congregate housing. Congregate housing is kind of like what that yellow house was [44:38] Speaker A (unidentified): on the corner of Booker [44:40] Speaker C (unidentified): does congregate housing literally mean like from the congregation no I'm thinking of it completely [Speaker A (unidentified): backwards] are they asking people from the church [44:53] Speaker D (unidentified): it was an interesting [44:56] Speaker A (unidentified): interesting discussion on that. Okay, congregate housing, a resident, a residence in which tenants have private rooms but shared common areas such as kitchens, dining room, living room, and bathroom, like a hostel, one big happy family. Yes, a dwelling consisting of private dwelling units and central dining facilities within which a supportive service program serves occupants unable to live independently yet do not require the cost of supervision or intensive health care, and that is also that one, the yellow one on the corner of Booker and Main that wanted to build a new one on the park and the townspeople, yeah, anyway, that's what congregate housing is. Okay, I had that in my mind [45:51] Speaker C (unidentified): also, but I was like, does it specifically pertain to the church? [45:56] Speaker A (unidentified): No, that would be the building of an educational, religious, philanthropic, or whatever. Although, no, it can't be residential, so it can't be that one. Conversion of existing residential to an apartment building, a unit, a bed and breakfast, congregate housing, a nursing home, residential care facility. Now nursing home and residential care facility have different definitions. They definitely do. Yeah. They definitely do. Yeah. You notice in this one, this is the only one, when I went looking for all the conversions, they didn't have [46:41] Speaker F (unidentified): multi-unit residential. What? Because I googled multi-unit and every one of them, I crossed it out, [46:49] Speaker A (unidentified): of a taking it out and anyway it's like okay and then we've got daycare facility good thing because there's a lot of clutter on my street fast food takeout stand walk up only that would be if some of you decided to do a little hot dog stand in there yeah but they have to come and get permission first can't do this no that's what we told the lady that brought the chocolate it's like thank you but no oh yeah I need to turn down chocolate [47:26] Speaker F (unidentified): That's hard. We can't meet him in the hallway after. Pardon me. It worked. [47:35] Speaker A (unidentified): After. After. Let me have a funeral home. Because again, she's got a big house and we just want to build a new one. Okay. [47:46] Speaker D (unidentified): So far we're still keeping them. [47:48] Speaker A (unidentified): Then we get to ground-mounted solar energy system, all sizes, out there. They've got plenty of room to do them. Then home occupation. The usual. Kennel. [47:58] Speaker B (unidentified): Like a dog. Dog kennel. [48:01] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah. Multi-use residential structure. I'm taking that out. Neighborhood store. A nursing home. Outdoor conservation recreation uses not-for-profit. We took that out of our tune, didn't we? [48:20] Speaker C (unidentified): That's also redundant. Nursing home is under [48:24] Speaker A (unidentified): conversion of interest. Yeah, and this would be a stand wall, a brand new one, you'd be building a brand new one. But then we've got that outdoor conservation and recreational uses. If you remember, I think it was R2 where we took out one of those. [48:42] Speaker B (unidentified): So did we take it out? [48:44] Speaker A (unidentified): We talked about it enough. Right. [48:47] Speaker C (unidentified): Not that we didn't take it out. It was R2. It was R2. Yeah. Excuse me. [48:56] Speaker D (unidentified): That's GR3. These are the un-soiled ones. [49:02] Speaker A (unidentified): You've got the one that we did do something with, right? Yes. I have one here, too. [49:07] Speaker B (unidentified): In this other stack. [49:12] Speaker A (unidentified): Okay, so, there are two. Anyway, we did take it out. Okay, we took out outdoor conservation and recreation. Recreational use is not the problem. [49:34] Speaker D (unidentified): I don't have to sell. [49:38] Speaker A (unidentified): We also take it out of our own. And our reasoning was that we already had recreational uses, recreational facilities. Right. But, again, it's up to what these folks think. I [49:59] Speaker B (unidentified): don't think it matters if it's in there or not. [50:02] Speaker A (unidentified): Okay, you can leave it there. If you ask me the reason why we did it that was so many years ago, right, so other conservation recreational uses, we just have a really nice chart. I still have it at home, but it's not in the minutes. I'm not going to try tossing it in there, okay. [Speaker D (unidentified): So building] a minute outdoor conservation or creation, we don't, we don't have it in here, okay, public facility, yeah, public open space and recreational use, quasi public facility, recreational facility of recreational activity, not, that's why, because that is pretty much the same thing as outdoor conservation with, you know, not for [Speaker D (unidentified): profit is. Repair] service, non-automotive, small engine computers, etc. It's like somebody in his garage decides, but again, isn't that a home occupation? Yes. [51:29] Speaker E (unidentified): The fellow that fixes, he's got to do the computer repair. [51:37] Speaker A (unidentified): Oh yeah, in the basal place. [51:40] Speaker F (unidentified): He does everything. [51:42] Speaker C (unidentified): He does everything. Anyway. [51:46] Speaker A (unidentified): So it's not automotive, so in other words, if somebody just likes to work on people's lawnmowers, or chainsaws, or something like that. [51:54] Speaker F (unidentified): Home occupation could be anything from baking to sewing curtains for people. Yes, exactly. [52:00] Speaker A (unidentified): They're different. They're different. Okay, research facilities and services is an accessory to the principle of permitted use. I keep thinking about how big it is, but there's no water in this whole sewer, so who's going to build a research facility? No one. That's what I mean. It's like they'll build a data center and then research laboratory, yeah, and residential care facility, wait a minute, essential care facility, don't leave, well, they're in the conversion area, the conversion, yeah, nursing home, we have to rip there, we do, but 25 is nursing home. [52:43] Speaker C (unidentified): But two different definitions for those. Yeah, they are. [52:47] Speaker E (unidentified): Would Lucy have to fight for residential care? [52:51] Speaker C (unidentified): I think that's what it was categorized. [52:53] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah, it is residential care. [52:55] Speaker C (unidentified): Because its residents could take care of themselves. [53:00] Speaker A (unidentified): And then we've got restaurant. Wouldn't that be lovely if we could finally get a breakfast house there? Well, Beechwood Street, High Street, there's no place on High Street unless Neil wants to do one. I'm thinking going out on County Road. I keep thinking, stop and think a minute. You're going out on County Road if you're taking the shortcut. All that land on the left, all that field, all the meadows, which is what it was originally called, the meadows, that's owned by whoever owns Dragon now. And so they could decide to sell that. They could decide to develop it. And it would not be that hard. [53:43] Speaker E (unidentified): Is there water out there? No. [53:46] Speaker A (unidentified): No public water, no public sewer. But it would not be that hard to get it out there. Although I will tell you, [53:53] Speaker D (unidentified): because you worked on getting the grant, [53:55] Speaker A (unidentified): to do it the house after my street used to be the Allen's house the sewer failed three years ago. And I got the call from the town office from Rene to tell me that the sewer had failed and that I needed to be contacted because my land cuts up to where the sewer was. So anyway, and so they looked into extending the sewer line just that short distance. It ends at the end of Emory Avenue. So you're talking a few hundred feet. And it was so much money to just go that short distance. [54:37] Speaker C (unidentified): I was like, that's just highway memory. So instead, they got some evil corporation. [54:45] Speaker A (unidentified): So the town decided to instead spend $7,000 or something. [54:51] Speaker C (unidentified): The town ended up spending [54:56] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah, before the slipboard to also be spending $7,000 from the septic system at blah county road. Huh. Interesting. You didn't have anything to do with that, did you? No, I didn't. Okay. Lucky you. Sorry I said that. Anyway. Interesting. And so somebody then, the next house up then came and asked the town. I got a grant for 120 Old County Road. 120. Ann Allen's. Yeah, that one. That's it. That's the one. [55:32] Speaker D (unidentified): and get a grant for that. [55:33] Speaker B (unidentified): Maybe they spent $7,000 on it. I don't know. [55:36] Speaker C (unidentified): What was it a grant for? The grant was for the septic. [55:39] Speaker A (unidentified): Well, maybe that's the authorization for the whole spending of the grant. [55:42] Speaker B (unidentified): Maybe that's what it was. I don't think they spent anything on that. I know. It got done. Shady. I got that. Don't love that. Sorry. No, I mean, seriously, [55:57] Speaker C (unidentified): I got that grant. That grant paid half, and the owner paid the other half. Okay. In total. [56:02] Speaker A (unidentified): So it probably was the select board just authorizing the use of the grant. I hope so. I think that was what it was. And I was very thankful that you guys did that. Yes. And I'm glad it was a grant, not tax dollars. Yes. [56:17] Speaker D (unidentified): You're really good at getting grants. You are. Wow. Okay, we're ready to get off on that one. [56:24] Speaker F (unidentified): I'm already up to a upholstery shop, and I think that is a shop in pursuit of trade. That's what I have here. See? I agree. [56:31] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah. So, why that is still in there, because it was born, we got rid of that, three years ago. So we're taking it out. We're taking it out. Now, timber harvesting, we're going to look into. Shop in pursuit of trade, like she says, that's anything. It's like, I have no idea where an upholstery shop, why it was in there. [56:54] Speaker E (unidentified): Yes? What chamber of jewelry at one time was an upholstery shop? [56:58] Speaker G (unidentified): I don't know. What thing? [57:01] Speaker A (unidentified): Chambers Jewelry. It was a pizza place when I was a kid. [Speaker E (unidentified): Well, in between.] I left town in 1960. [57:10] Speaker F (unidentified): There was no more pizza. I know. [57:13] Speaker A (unidentified): I would have known. It was the first pizza shop in town. I think it was something that was small. Something like that? [57:21] Speaker C (unidentified): I don't think there was ever an upholstery shop in Thomaston. [57:24] Speaker A (unidentified): No. Now, transportation facility. Facility. We discussed that in R2. We did. We took it out. Is that going to be like a bus barn? It was like a bus stop. We're talking like a cab shop or like a train. It just doesn't fit. fit okay transportation facility a fixed installation serving public transportation such as tracks piers or a station like a train station a train station or a bus station you can't get a bus service to run on Main Street they [58:02] Speaker C (unidentified): don't go out to 131 right each one there's no and there's no tracks that [58:07] Speaker A (unidentified): run that direction. There's no train tracks anywhere near R1. [58:11] Speaker C (unidentified): Well, technically... They all run north-south. [58:13] Speaker A (unidentified): Technically, they run through R1 across, you know, [58:17] Speaker D (unidentified): where Thomason Street comes in. [58:20] Speaker A (unidentified): I can't see them putting [58:21] Speaker C (unidentified): stations. But it's in north-south. Like, it's not going... I'm thinking in my head, up Beachwood. No. [58:27] Speaker A (unidentified): But see, that still is R1 there. Because it doesn't turn to Thomason until after Wisco. Yeah, the tracks are down The tracks are there. [Speaker C (unidentified): And there's no...] But Thatcher Street is R3. [58:42] Speaker C (unidentified): Rockland is the one stop, and then the next closest one is... [58:46] Speaker A (unidentified): You used to have a station in Thomaston. Yep. But, yes, you've got Brunswick and nothing until Rockland. [58:53] Speaker C (unidentified): I don't even think they stop in Waldemar anymore. [58:55] Speaker B (unidentified): No. Their little depot hasn't burned down. [58:58] Speaker A (unidentified): Yeah, no, there's been nothing. nothing right so when Amtrak wants to come through so do we leave it in there [59:09] Speaker D (unidentified): in case Thomas wants to have a station but it wouldn't be in the hour one it [59:13] Speaker F (unidentified): would be right because are there any tracks out that way yeah there is so [59:17] Speaker C (unidentified): When you go out there are one tracks and are by Westgate, they come across Butler. They come there in Thomaston Street and then go straight across the river and just follow [59:31] Speaker A (unidentified): it all the way along. So if you're going down 131 to South Thomaston, you have to go across the railroad tracks. [59:35] Speaker F (unidentified): Right, but those aren't the ones that go out past... They go to Rockland. [59:39] Speaker A (unidentified): Right, okay. They would be the ones that Amtrak would use if they ever... Yeah. But I think Rockland's going to have the station. [59:47] Speaker D (unidentified): They'd have to kick off a really good restaurant. [59:51] Speaker F (unidentified): Do we know anyone who has property on the truck? Lime and Morse. [59:57] Speaker C (unidentified): Lime and Morse. A couple other farms along the river do. [1:00:04] Speaker F (unidentified): We always kind of like it when a train goes through. It's very exciting. Yeah, it is. We're simple. [1:00:10] Speaker A (unidentified): There are people in town that do. They go racing out to take pictures of trains. [1:00:15] Speaker C (unidentified): It is kind of a novelty if you think about it. It doesn't happen a lot. No, it doesn't. Not anymore. [1:00:21] Speaker F (unidentified): Not anymore. Used to. We used to wave at it when there were actually, like, people on the train. Yeah. Anyway. [1:00:30] Speaker C (unidentified): So we're going to leave it. [1:00:33] Speaker A (unidentified): So are we leaving? Are we leaving transportation facility? [1:00:39] Speaker F (unidentified): I don't think it's going to be a real hot-button topic, so leave it at that. [1:00:46] Speaker A (unidentified): I agree. Okay. So we're taking out upholstery shop. Taking out outdoor conservation and recreation uses. Taking out multi-unit residential structure. I think that's it. Okay, that's all right to you guys? Okay, I'll make those changes and bring it back for a final vote. Yeah, I've [1:01:11] Speaker F (unidentified): changed. I like the timber harvesting is conditional. Oh yeah, it's got to be [1:01:16] Speaker C (unidentified): unconditional everywhere. I know I'm getting tired when this makes me laugh. I've chased the dot for this in the CU so it matches the PU. What did you do to the CU so it matches the PU? What did you note at the bottom? To [1:01:37] Speaker B (unidentified): you, to you, to you. [1:01:39] Speaker C (unidentified): You've had a very hard day. I haven't had it in a very long way. I'm a little slap happy at this point. [1:01:46] Speaker F (unidentified): I never even noticed it 's just a good life [1:01:51] Speaker C (unidentified): It's a good sentence. I like it. [1:01:55] Speaker A (unidentified): Alright, so that means our two and our one we've done. [1:02:00] Speaker D (unidentified): We've made changes. That is too funny. See you to be you. Okay, so those two [1:02:12] Speaker A (unidentified): now, as you know, we didn't do anything on the dimensions and stuff, that's up to you. Do you want this one back? No? Okay. [1:02:21] Speaker D (unidentified): Okay, so we reviewed the R1, we reviewed the R2. [1:02:31] Speaker A (unidentified): I did not print off the 3 and 3A, and it's already 6 o'clock. We're going to call it quits. [1:02:38] Speaker E (unidentified): You need to get home and watch baseball. [1:02:40] Speaker A (unidentified): No, it's not baseball anymore, you know that. [1:02:42] Speaker G (unidentified): Well, they're art. They're all people. They're not. [1:02:44] Speaker D (unidentified): Except the Yankees. [1:02:49] Speaker A (unidentified): The Yankees are playing. [1:02:50] Speaker D (unidentified): They're squealing at Happy Dance. It's me. It's me.