Eliot Conservation Commission weighs water reuse concept for mixed-use zone

[0:00] Peter: No, it shouldn't be. I mean, I think the proximity rule is like anything within a foot, you're good. Yeah. Even the difficulty is if you side address, if you go side, even though it's the same distance, a big difference. Peter, where do you usually sit? [0:20] Speaker B (unidentified): I usually sit close to this in case I have to jump in and monkey around with it, but I don't. [0:26] Peter: Are you going to stay there or are you going to sit next to it? [0:28] Speaker B (unidentified): I'm gonna sit in front of a microphone so I'll sit where I have my little [0:33] Peter: purple note. Okay, so you know there's up on the front of the microphones there's a button, yeah, and it switches between the red mute and the green on, yeah, right. [0:48] Speaker B (unidentified): I guess the final thing is normally, I was looking at this screen. See that it's set up so that it tiles. [1:13] Peter: Slow down a second. So see there's a window in a window on that monitor? This monitor faces the boards, right? So this is for the board's use and it's not the public view. But what that shows you in that lower right hand corner is the public view bar [1:38] Speaker B (unidentified): that's going up and down. That's right. [1:41] Public commenter: Hi, I have a question. Yes. How do we know? We have other people that are procedures from the public. How do we know? [1:50] Peter: Well, that's a good thing. Eric's here because. [1:55] Speaker D (unidentified): I'll take over this position if you don't mind. What was it? What was the question? [1:59] Speaker B (unidentified): I can give you microphone too here. [2:03] Peter: Eric, so for remote folks coming in. [2:11] Speaker D (unidentified): Nope, just use the microphone like with the number on it, right? [2:15] Peter: All right, I'll use one. It's got to be microphone one. Is that one? There is one. Okay. Okay, so question is, we have other participants who will be signing in on Zoom for the meeting and looking for their participation, which would mean they may have like raised hands or privileges like open mic, without having to unmute. Unmute, we didn't do any of that at the planning meeting, so to do to set it up that way this evening, should we be using the host computer for those functions? Oh, I believe they're, I mean [3:03] Speaker D (unidentified): I believe there's settings on that Crestron panel in the Zoom tab like, you've started the meeting, right? So there should be, you know, and again, I have to use it. I haven't used this specific setup yet. You guys were the first ones. Okay. But, yeah, if there's nothing in there that sticks out, it's probably best to, you know, use the Zoom from the computer. Okay. OK. [3:35] Speaker B (unidentified): So the Eric, the from the standpoint of someone who's dialing into this meeting, the interface that they're looking at hasn't changed any. [3:46] Speaker D (unidentified): Right. So, I mean, if they're using Zoom. Right. Then I just watched, like, so I'm on Zoom. Yeah. I just watched the camera pan right to you. you so that's all I see is you right just like a normal Zoom meeting really right okay I know what you see up there is a version that you'd see on TV when if we do that or right now like on town hall streams so I'm not on Zoom okay so what's broadcasting out is a is Zoom and then a small picture and picture of the people talking in the room you can change it if there's not anyone on zoom or not many you know like you can change the stream to the public to just be the cameras from the room and not, you know, so you, on the Crestron panel, I don't know if they showed you how to switch to what, you know, gets streamed to the, to the public. No. Yeah, but I guess [4:54] Speaker B (unidentified): Yes. One of our members will be dialing in a short while. And generally, oftentimes during the course of these meetings, she will share a document from her screen. And I assume that she'll just be able to do that the same way she's always done it. [5:17] Speaker D (unidentified): Exactly. And then what will happen is the people that are watching it, either on town hall streams or the cable channel eventually, or watching it back on demand through town hall streams, they'll see the presentation, which, and before that never really happened. Okay, all right, so that part of it is pretty cool. So it'll show this, it'll show whatever Zoom is showing, you know, will work. So if she shares her screen, you know, it'll go up on the big TVs in the room, all [5:51] Peter: right, so I cannot log into this computer. This computer requires a town employee password, which I don't have. Isn't it right there on the, yeah, go ahead, give it a go. [6:11] Speaker D (unidentified): Yeah, that's, that's probably it. Go ahead. Here it is. Yeah, we'll work. So if she shares her screen, [6:34] Peter: okay, we don't want to install any updates. Conservation meeting that has already started, I thought. Yeah, it [7:03] Speaker D (unidentified): looks like you joined the Zoom. Yes, we just started the Zoom. All right, so now you can manage the questions and stuff from there, and we'll have to figure out [7:12] Peter: how we do it from the Crestron panel, but that's why I was suggesting, Peter, you may be good for you to be at the computer, because if there's any Zoom manipulation to be done, okay, it would happen here. I [7:31] Speaker B (unidentified): mean, so you can move the computer, right? Well, yes, but the, it's tethered to a cord which is not very long, so I think I'm just gonna do this, will be fine. Okay, and [7:53] Speaker D (unidentified): So I mean if the meeting hasn't like really started, yeah, every time you look up at that screen you can go on that Crestron panel, the top middle of it, if you swipe down it'll go to a home screen. It's not easy to, we have the home screen. Yep. Okay, so then if you go back to that other panel you did, you go back, did you hit home? We're at the home, live streaming in progress. Yep. Right, so this is where you're gonna, at the end of the night, they didn't do it last night, you gotta shut that, you gotta shut the system off, right, bottom right corner. Yeah, don't do it now, but yeah. Okay, you can add, you know, so you can end it from Zoom, so if you, if you want and you click, you see where it says what you're sending, what video are you sending to town hall streams, those [8:51] Peter: are in progress, so we have Zoom meeting is being broadcast to town hall streams. [8:57] Speaker D (unidentified): Right, you can switch it to just the cameras in the room and then it'll, right, you can even do that now, it's not gonna, you know, so now if you look up at the screen at the broadcast, right, it shouldn't be the zoom, it should just literally be you guys and that, right, so now that's what's being sent out to tv land and in the internet. Okay, not to zoom, I almost still sees you guys, and then you can switch, you can switch it right back and go back to, so the kind of the point of that is if you're running this meeting and there's no one on zoom or they're, they're done really talking to zoom, you can switch it off of zoom. Did it shut the tvs off? Yes, it's going to turn it back on, we're, that we're going to fix that, we have a list of [9:46] Peter: sort of user, okay, so Peter, what is, in summary, when you guys are done tonight, hit the big off button and then, you know, you have remote controls here, make sure the tvs are off and [10:01] Speaker D (unidentified): if they're not, they, the tv should shut off when you shut the system down, when you stop the zoom, when you end the zoom it'll, it will, the tvs will shut off automatically. So if you want to go back to the zoom controls you just swipe down the middle and go, you find that home button. Okay. Now you can end the Zoom from there when you're ready, and then you'd want to go back out of that and go end the meeting or shut the system down. [10:36] Peter: Okay. So I do not see anybody else logged in to – [10:45] Speaker B (unidentified): No. Lisa said she'd be a little bit late logging on, but she's pretty – [10:51] Speaker D (unidentified): You know, so last night they said the audio was really low through Zoom, but I'm hearing you guys just fine. [10:59] Speaker B (unidentified): So I'm not. Well, I know I have a stentorian voice. I've been told that. So that's probably why it's coming through loud and clear, because I'm just loud. [11:11] Speaker D (unidentified): Yeah, mine broadcasts as well. Okay. [11:17] Speaker B (unidentified): All right. Well, I think we are. So, Eric, are you going to be hanging out with us, or is your job done now? [11:25] Speaker D (unidentified): I mean, I probably can stay for a little bit if you need me to, if that makes you comfortable. [11:32] Speaker B (unidentified): No, I think we can let you go. Thank you for your help. All right. Thanks, Eric. Oh, yeah. That's a USB [12:04] Peter: -style connector on the back of them. Can't drop. [12:16] Speaker B (unidentified): Fragile. Not a USB-C connector. No, it's an old-style USB connector. All right. Well, Greg will not be joining us tonight, and nor will Mara. I heard from both of them. And then Lisa will be dialing in. But we do have a quorum. So we're just going to plow ahead. All right, I'm going to wait for Lisa before we delve into minutes. She sent a note out. I'm not sure if she sent it out to everyone or just to me, but she said she hadn't completely finished the September minutes, and we already have the August minutes in our possession. We didn't review them last meeting because Lisa wasn't here, so we're going to blaze right past that. So let's go to, well, first of all, any input from the public? I don't know if you're considered public, Paul, or not, but. [13:40] Peter: I actually asked. Okay, [13:50] Speaker B (unidentified): good. All right, let's do that. So why don't we hand you the talking stick. If you want to either step up to the podium or just grab that microphone, whichever is more comfortable for you. We [14:15] Peter: noticed last night that the microphone is rather low, and we had a very tall guy who was bent over trying to talk into it, and the room volume is a bit much. All right, so at this year's Elliott Festival Day, I had a very brief conversation with Chair Eggleston with regards to a concept. WE WERE KICKING AROUND ON THE PLANNING BOARD WITH REGARDS TO NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN THE MIXED USE ZONE. AND THE REASON FOR THAT KICKING AROUND OF CONCEPTS WAS BASED ON THE RECENT NOTIFICATION FROM KITTERY WATER DISTRICT ABOUT SOME WATER MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS THAT CAME INTO PLACE. And our recognition that we have some projects in the queue that are being worked on by the town planner that involve a large number of residential units, and therefore water and sewer is the mandatory component that we have to have in order to allow that kind of density with those kinds of numbers in that zone. And one of the things that we talked about was in these buildings, what kind of recycling is possible with either gray water capture or storm water capture, each being treated differently. Because you know with gray water there is some filtration that may be required. Also with gray water, you cannot use it for any kind of irrigation that's above ground. So everything is below ground drip style. With storm water collection, obviously you can set up retention ponds and do aerial watering with typical sprinklers. And so we have this concept of some means to collect either or both gray water and rain water for use in that facility for their landscape watering and their plantings needs. Needs and we think that there is a lot to be learned about it in terms of feasibility and practicality and costs and so forth. And we also know that those things are not necessarily things that we would address on our own, and it's it's a group effort not only with the planning board and with conservation, but maybe also with others in the town, code enforcement with health and welfare issues. And so we're trying to prompt the initial conversation to start at least talking about it conceptually to see if there's something here worthy of following up and getting more information on and digging a little deeper. Especially because time is of the essence as they are laying out a project currently that would be prime for the application of this kind of water capture and reuse. So that's why I'm here tonight is just to present to you a concept and to see what your group thinks of that and if there's something more to follow up on with your input a [18:22] Speaker B (unidentified): Question first of all I'll just say that I'm really intrigued with this idea, you know, that the notion of well just I'll just preface this by saying that my experience with this comes from having built a LEED certified facility down in Hampton, it was a 17 acre site. And one of the things to get LEED certification was a very, stringent stormwater management. And our site was designed to retain every drop of runoff on the property through various and sundry ways, bio swales and rain gardens. We had one big detention pond, but that was kind of the last resort. In fact, in the years I was there, I don't ever remember seeing anything accumulating in that detention pond because everything else worked so effectively to percolate all that runoff back into the soil. But a question I have, so anyway, that's a way of prefacing that I find this whole idea very appealing, very attractive of keeping stormwater on site. The gray water is I think also very interesting. There are, as we know, a lot of wetlands up in that mixed-use zone. I don't know where this development is going to be vis-a-vis where all those wetlands are, but let's just paint with a broad brush for the time being. Do you know if what the strictures are for thing? Let's just start with stormwater. because i think that's a somewhat easier one if you are trying to capture stormwater on site are you also required to keep it from incursion into existing wetlands or can you kind of utilize the wetlands as a somewhat of a i don't know what the term would be like a buffer you know car you 're shaking your head i think this is probably in your bailiwick as well yeah yes [20:58] Public commenter: Okay, sorry, hopefully I won't scream. So a few thoughts. You can't discharge directly into the wetlands. Obviously, there could be different, and that's why we have stormwater rules, right, to minimize and to provide these BMPs to minimize what's directly going into those wetlands, whether it's a retention basin, you know, some sort of stormwater filter, rain garden. The part that concerns me is reusing that water, and the potential pollutants that could be in that water, and how there's no treatment, water goes into whatever it goes into, and so how then are we assured that we're not spraying pollutants out into the environment? [21:48] Peter: I well I think that's from a standpoint of what I think it depends upon where you collect the water from, and I'll give you an example. If you're collecting water off of the top of a building, very large building, and it's guttered and it's all controlled and goes into a central retention area, it's very different than if you're collecting it from throat stones and stormwater collection systems in the parking lot where you don't know what's happened out there, and I think that's a different use case. Where there may be some more treatment needed than would be if it was something just like off the roof, you know, much like, you know, any of the warm water climates where they do cisterns, I think is, you know, kind of a model. And that, what would you put in a cistern? Well, it's, it's not from the parking lot, it's from the roof. And, you know, it's straightforward, I think. I know, I don't know much about this at all, other than to say I think as a class of rainwater, I think of things that haven't been on the ground yet. I think of things that are being collected from the building that are elevated as being separate from what you would [23:19] Public commenter: collect on the ground is different and done anywhere in Maine. Pardon, please, what, which one? I didn't know, has this been done anywhere in Maine, or you guys just came up with this, like, hey, this is a great idea. [23:35] Peter: It is a little bit of concept of, it is nothing that I'm pointing to saying, for example, they've done it in Bangor. I haven't done the deep research. It is, as I mentioned earlier, it's a concept. And so you're asking me a question about how to handle it, which would be a technical issue, which I don't know. I summarize that. Guidance would need to be brought forward because if anything is going to ultimately, you know, if you envision this actually happening, we need the guidance up front to understand the requirements so that we can place it as an ask in into our work, or actually the planners work initially in trying to guide this developer in terms of what they can and cannot do based on what they are putting forward on a design for the, for the area. Developer came up with this concept? No, the developer is developed the developer is laying out buildings and is coming up with an idea of how many units and how many buildings cited in such a way given the topology of the particular lot. And they're asking basic questions about, shall we say, connections between buildings or heights or, you know, other kinds of, you know, design questions. All the while, we have discussed at the planning board, again, very generally, is it a good idea to have a conversation about the water capture? Either gray water or storm water. And yes, we thought it was worthwhile. The implementation, we have no idea. [26:10] Public commenter: It just really was high level discussion. [26:12] Peter: Again, this is this is supposed to be thought provoking and to initiate a dialogue where we have no real knowledge of the matter other than to say we did pass some ordinance with regards to management and for conservation benefit of the payment in kind, if you will, for if you're going to take up a certain amount of a protected resource if we agree to allow that to happen there's either some payment in kind or some other work in kind that's done in order to compensate we think there could be a potential and i say potential strongly because we haven't really investigated it in that if you do find that there is some kind of a gray water or storm water collection system there may be some sort of credit using air quotes for those activities which are considered to be environmentally advantageous as opposed to using you know all potable water for doing landscape work or wash down work in this new project so more questions and there are answers at the moment I guess if I was a if I was a fisherman I'd say to you this is the bait look interesting to [27:48] Speaker B (unidentified): you that's something you want to pursue so if I just to help me in my mind clarify we're really talking about well let's let's for the moment not distinguish between stormwater runoff and greywater let's just call it all water they're really they're really two different issues as I understand it you can correct me if I'm wrong one is the is the diversion or the keeping this water out of in the case of gray water out of the sanitary sewer you know hurting it out of that and reducing the stress on that system and then the other part is thing you know retaining the stormwater on site rather than sending it down the conventional stormwater system which my understanding is kind of has a direct ticket out into the public waterways in most places and then this the other issue is whether that water can be repurposed for say irrigation in landscaping then against with the savings of not using potable water for that so do i have that in general you're spot on so it is probably possible to accomplish even if the second part the repurposing of the water does not become feasible because technically it's just too difficult to reprocess that water to the point where it's usable for that reason it still may be [29:48] Public commenter: Worth pursuing this idea of diverting that water and retaining it on site in some form. Because I guess I guess my question is, before you go any further, it's it depending on how large this do we know how large the development is, how many acres? I have I am not really available to comment on it because we're going to assume it's more than one acre, which would trigger storm water requirements. So there are the town has this ms4 permit, that's one piece, and then there's also storm water requirements for developments greater than an acre or three acres. And so then in those cases, three acres, i think maybe i'm wrong, it's i'll [30:40] Peter: just summarize by saying it's bigger than anything that we have in place currently, so there would be [30:47] Public commenter: be a stormwater component required by the state as part of this project. So it's not a nice to have to retain the stormwater on site, that's going to be a requirement of some sort of stormwater management. And then whatever, you know, I don't know enough about what the, I'd have to look at the MS for as well, but I don't think that would affect this. But it would be really more. What can we do, really the second part of the question Peter is what they want us to kind of look into, i'm guessing. Well so you opened a little bit of a [31:22] Peter: you open the door a little bit in terms of the zoning and obviously you know you i think i should say obviously you please assume that there's going to be a lot of hardscape, there's going to be a huge amount of impervious added to an area of which there is basically zero at this time. So it is going to be a heavy lift in terms of a stormwater management system because obviously we don't want it mixing with that area and behind without being controlled and managed. So that is you know the gist of this is just imagine that there's HUNDREDS OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS, ALONG WITH RETAIL, ALONG WITH PAVEMENT AND VEHICULAR TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA THAT GIVES YOU A DENSITY THAT THIS TOWN DOESN'T HAVE OTHERWISE. YEAH. SO THIS IS WHY I AM KIND OF GENTLY PUSHING IN THAT IT LOOKS DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING WE'VE EVER DONE, and therefore we should take a new look at what we could do given this right condition without and [32:45] Public commenter: knowing that there are going to be many more regular regulatory requirements with a development of this size than we're used to seeing. But so we're just trying to come up with hey we need to come up, we need to start considering as a town water conservation measures and what is the [33:04] Peter: the feasibility of. And you need to also, I think, discuss your framework in terms of, as I mentioned earlier, where you have your, you know, taking of a resource or, you know, into a bank and paying for the things you take and the things you impact and how to get them back. I think this could also go into that category because, obviously, there's a lot of stormwater. There's a lot. It just needs to be managed so this may be an additional component for that kind of a review i [33:48] Speaker B (unidentified): guess one of the first things sort of to echo point that kari made a minute ago is to see if this has been pursued successfully in other places you know has someone else invented this wheel already or at least some form of it that I [34:11] Peter: bet you out of state it has. I did a brief look locally and there wasn't anything that really popped up, but I think as you get further west and the water becomes a commodity that's of great value, I think they have they have some pretty interesting solutions for these [34:38] Public commenter: questions, you know, what it would be more at some point in these discussions, because this would be part of. So but from a conservation standpoint, the [35:07] Peter: bullets are well, I think at minimum, you should be aware and having your chats about what it could be based on your experiences, or your knowledge or your contacts and the kinds of things you envision that gee with hundreds of people living in that kind of density what should we be thinking about [35:27] Speaker E (unidentified): is there anything about a timeline of when we would have to have any kind of recommendations or [35:36] Peter: I can't give you a timeline. I can tell you that there are a couple of projects that the planner is working with the landowners and their agents on and they are very much at like design development phase of, you know, real basic stuff first looks at some of the layouts to get comment back and so the planner is actually looking at a ordinance, coming back and looking at ordinance to see how the new mixed use zone ordinance, which we haven't done project one yet, or that new ordinance. So everybody's reading everything 10 times to make sure we understand it correctly and it's giving us the result we envisioned. So timeline. It's being discussed now from a project standpoint, and I bet you they're running some numbers in terms of what they think their cost may be per square foot. I think having more infrastructure requirements in the way of, for example, if you implement something that's got gray water in it, you have to have a parallel system to your hand wash sinks or your washers and so forth in order to collect the gray. Can't pop that on somebody after the fact because it's, you know, once they get into their real building layout and design, it's like, it's, you're off to the races there. So we were thinking probably within the next six to eight months we start to get a look at some project prints about what's really being proposed that could change. And I would say if it changes, it's probably going to be further out than it would be near in, because it's just too many questions, Mr. [37:51] Speaker E (unidentified): me that they need to comply with any ordinances that are already in place. If we, I mean, would they actually voluntarily implement, for example, a gray water system if it's not required, or if we made a recommendation that we'd like to see something like that. I'm curious. That's why I'm asking [38:13] Peter: you to contemplate and investigate in your mind how you think what we've done with regards to the payment in kind concept, how that may work in a situation where if you want to give somebody an incentive for doing something, what's in it for them. And I think in that area over there we know there's a very large wet complex, and I'm suspect that at some point in time they're going to want to step on something that's wet, and if that's to happen, what would be the exchange in general. So I think over the next few months, it's for all of us, it's a matter of let's find out what we can find and see what's going on and see if there's guidance and suggestions and what's worked and what hasn't worked and just educate ourselves. And because there is no ask at the moment other than let's get smart about it. [40:01] Public commenter: Yep. But are they conducting [40:12] Peter: or? Well, you know, we have a contract with them with regards to volumes, both up and down. And we last, I want to say about a year ago, we had an increase on our commitment to them. I don't know if you would use the word commitment, our agreement with them in terms of potable water usage, I believe. I don't want to quote a percentage increase, but there was a percentage increase, and it was in anticipation of what we were going to need with all the new areas coming online to the sewer system, up and down 236. You know, that said, I think regionally there's great pressure on some limited resources, and I think this is, this Kittery notification is a really good reminder that depending upon the last year or two of water collection can have a serious impact on lifestyle. And one of the other things I had actually mentioned to the town manager is there a contingency plan. Do we know, for example, if there was to be a town well, where could it be? Has it been scoped at all? Is it up off of Brixham by the ponds? Is it somewhere else? Is it, you know, has to be away from the saline areas along the river, but what would we do if Kittery Water District was no longer able to not necessarily even expand but to maintain for all those people that don't have wells any longer and Because we are allowing greater density, you know, down to an acre in the village, which is substandard for a septic system by state standards with a well on the lot, you've backed into a corner in essence in that you have to have public water and sewer in order to maintain those areas. [42:57] Speaker B (unidentified): New speaker. Before you go, I had one other thing, and you will notice that I actually did have this topic on our agenda. I wasn't aware that you were going to be coming tonight, but I put it on the agenda anyway, just to let everyone know that it was coming down the pike. So, but the other thing I just wanted to follow up on real quickly before you leave, and you don't have to talk about this as a group after you're out of here, but if the Conservation Commission supports the idea of writing a letter in support of utilizing the right-of-way between Road and Bolt Hill, is Eastern Trail the organization that we should address that to? [43:55] Peter: I can give you a quick update, because the last thing I did with Jeff Brubaker before we left was have a conversation on this very subject. [44:08] Speaker B (unidentified): Okay, just for some background, when we were standing out there in the windstorm the other morning, Elliot Festival Day, one of the several things we talked about was the right-of-way that Eversource owns, where the high-tension lines run between Road and Bolt Hill. Bill. And Paul mentioned that in addition to that, there's a right-of-way on that property that's actually owned by Central Maine Power, which is where those wooden electric poles are, which is ultimately going to be abandoned once CMP builds their new substation down. And that is the one that seems to be the most attractive to turn over for public use. But this is where we have more recent information. [45:10] Peter: So in summary, Eversource is the owner of that right-of-way for the utility corridor. Eversource was approached by a company called VHB, which is an engineering, civil engineering consulting firm. They were hired, VHB was hired by the Eastern Trail Alliance to do their surveying and let's find the best routes. And as they came down through South Berwick and into Elliott, you know, they're planning on coming down Old Road in South Berwick and popping out on the Dover, Elliott Dover Road. And then you come a little bit up to the traffic light at 236 by Enzo Benzo. And you hang a right and go over to Heron Cove Road and you can duck in and ride the street. Well, there was another route that was proposed that was going to take you right down 236. And everybody said, that's kind of a crummy route because it's fast, it's furious, there's lots of curb cuts, and it's not going to be a good ride. So we said to Eversource, hey, how about at least down in that section between Beach and Bolt Hill, where there's lots of curb cuts and things happening, COULD WE GET IN THERE AND UTILIZE THE EDGE OF THE POWER LINE THAT BACKS UP TO WHAT IS NOW OUR MIXED-USE ZONE? SO MOST OF THOSE LOTS ON THE MIXED-USE ZONE ON 236 ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF 236 GO RIGHT TO THE UTILITY CORRIDOR. LONG STORY SHORT, EVERY SOURCE SAID NO. And then there was a second meeting down in Kittery of which members of the press showed up and they wrote about the fact that it's looking like Eastern Trail is going to get on 236 because there is no other place to go and Eversource was not interested. Sometime later, Eversource rang people in the know with Eastern and said, let's have a chat. And there was some chat going on. I cannot tell you where that chat is today. I gave Peter some names and numbers to contact. I can tell you that SMPDC was involved in that. VHP, I believe, is on the sidelines right now because their contract is up. So the two active parties would be SMPDC, the East Chela Alliance to talk to. And with regard to what goes on in Elliott, Central Maine Power is coming back to us maybe within the next month or two to talk more about the Bolt Hill substation. It's going to, as you may know, it's going to be a very large substation. They bought some property, some houses down there that will be leveled, if they're not already leveled, in preparation for that construction. That lot has also got extra capacity or space for more capacity that is a future proofing. I do know that the Navy Yard asked for a redundant, 100% redundant section in that power station for both their power drop down from the main transmission lines, as well as all the wire routing down to the yard. So if anything happens to source A, it flips to source B. So it's 100% redundant. Done. That's one of the reasons why they're doing this project is for that request. Over on Beach Road, there's a very small substation that is right at that low area right where the creek goes underneath by Bouchard has the truck terminal there. As Peter mentioned, that's got all wooden utility poles. Central Maine Power has an easement with Eversource to run those poles from that substation down along that whole stretch all the way down to the second station, which is currently on Bold Hill Road, but it's on, if you're coming from 236, it's on the right-hand side up against Cole Brown, the development on the hill there. And that substation is coming out as well. So everything is going to be taken care of across the street at the new larger substation so they ask that we had originally in the conversation we had loosely with the CMP guys when they were last in which has got to be eight months ago thereabouts was we they're going to take the poles out the utility poles out and all their equipment that's behind chain link fence all the substation equipment on both ends and they're going to just clear it and put it back to just grated and gone so the ask was what is the potential for eastern trail getting an easement to continue their trail down there using that beach to bolt corridor DOOR AND BECAUSE IT DIRECTLY ABUTTS THE BACK SIDE OF OUR NEW MIXED USE ZONE, WHAT'S THE POTENTIAL FOR GETTING A GRAVEL PATH OR A PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE PATH ENTRANCE THAT COULD COME OFF OF THAT WOULD GET YOU INTO THE NEW AREA THAT WE HOPE TO DEVELOP AS A GREATER AREA. So in summary that's where it stands and I can't tell you where the conversation is but at least I believe that the door was cracked open and there was a little bit of light whether it's still there or not I can't tell you but that's an SMPDC and an Eastern Trails question but that's framing it in terms of how we envisioned it how we possibly could use it in town. Thank [51:54] Speaker B (unidentified): you, Paul. Lots of food for thought here. Always [52:59] Peter: a distinct pleasure. All right, take care, all. [53:16] Speaker B (unidentified): Just so everybody knows, the reason why I asked Paul to expand on that question about that right-of-way, and it was interesting because when I was setting up or helping to set up our table at Elliott Festival Day, one of the things that was on the flip chart was suggestions that people had written down last year. And one of the things that someone had written down last year was, hey, when are we going to be able to, or can we? I forget how they put it, but it mentioned that stretch of where the high tension lines are. And I know it's been on a lot of people's minds over the years and so it was it was interesting to have to learn about where things stand right now but anyway I sort of got this bee in my bonnet because I was thinking about our role as the Elliott Conservation Commission and can we and we play a somewhat more active role in advocating for projects, even if that advocacy just takes the form of writing a letter in support of something. Now, obviously, we would need to know what we're writing about. We need to have a pretty clear, specific idea. We are the Elliott Conservation Commission, and we are writing in support of thus and such, and the thus and such has to be pretty clearly defined. And the timing has to be appropriate, and then to whom we direct it has to be appropriate. But I personally kind of like the idea of whether it's someone from the Eastern Trail Alliance or whoever it turns out to be, going to whoever they have to make their case to, And amongst all the things they have as part of the case they're going to make is a letter from us supporting the project. I don't have any illusions that 's going to tip the scales, but it adds to the weight of the argument, I think. But I would only suggest we do that if we all think it's a good idea. you know if there reasons why it's not a good idea then you know you should talk about that too it's not a front burner issue but it is something I'd like to explore a little bit so with everybody's blessing I'll reach out to the contacts that Paul gave me at the Eastern Trail Alliance and also I'll reach out to SMPDC to see connect me with whoever is there who's got an eye on this project so anybody want to talk me out of it 's I guess the way I think of it sort of tangentially fits in the Open space concept and that's really how my mind's been thinking of about that. All right, well I'm gonna do that. Hopefully I'll have something to report back. Well I'm not sure if we're gonna see Lisa or not. I think she did say she would be dialing in late. She may not have been able to dial in and all. So go ahead, we'll skip past the deed research project. There is not a lot to report on the York River Watershed Grant other than the fact that I did go back up there and hike around and took measurements, which I'm gonna be sending off to the fellow at, [Speaker D (unidentified): with the- DEP.] Yeah, because he's waiting to hear. I think the impression I got, tell me if I got the right impression, Kari, that we will fall under the threshold of square footage for not requiring a permit. And after I went up there and paced off the sections where we would be putting down boardwalks, I was even more convinced because I think it's like 4,500 square feet or something. Yeah, and we'd be far under that. [58:21] Public commenter: Yeah, as long as they don't make us go out and do some sort of jurisdictional delineation, which would be a problem because we can't do that. And if that's the case, then we stick on the dry side, stick on the side where Swansea Hill is, where Tara pointed out that crossing that's existing, repair of maintenance of that. I think we could we could fall under that exemption for that portion and then in the future if we've if you know that section out to Bar Mill near is it Bar Mill Pond the other pond yeah they also call it Rookery Pond Rookery Pond so you know that section that was pretty wet like if that if that required anything it is small and if we kept the we kept the dimensions you know within five feet I think you could do that but you know maybe good at some point we [59:15] Speaker B (unidentified): could set up a call with him or yeah so I will send him I have a email that I started like a week and a half ago and just haven't finished it and sent it but I'll send him all those dimensions tomorrow so far he's been pretty good about getting back on a timely when does the funding have to be the project has to be wrapped up by December 31st of this year it's you know we have we have basically two and a half months to get done and be honest you know most of the stuff all of the signage is stuff that I'm just going to be doing in my barn you know to get it all ready you know all the router weight finding signage with a post [1:00:17] Public commenter: hole digger and so on and so the funding that was used for the [1:00:22] Speaker B (unidentified): Purchase of the materials, yeah, and I have to work that out with Mike as far as how the mechanism actually works, because my understanding when we were going back and forth on that is that I, they won't reimburse me after the fact. So I can't run over to Home Depot and load up with equipment and submit a reimbursement, which seems kind of silly. So I either have to use, I don't know, I'll figure that out. It's not going to be that hard to do. So that's the update on that. I'll be attending the MEACC of Mary Alice, my counterpart at the Kittery Conservation Commission. Oh, cool. Hopefully we'll be able to drive up together. Yeah. Let's see. A couple other things I followed up on. Oh, I did ask about, and I may have, forgive me if I'm redundant. And I did write to, at Don Emerson's suggestion, I wrote to the town assessor to clarify the question about building permits and the process. How do building permits end up being recorded on tax cards and then also on the town's GIS map? And he explained the process. they 're not it's not instantaneous the GIS map I think that gets updated once or twice a year and he has to enter in there 's there's a lot of hand entry stuff that he said that they are working on and he feels pretty confident it'll be much better more automated but I also he put me or he wrote to Shelley Bishop because I followed up and I said, well, how do we get information about building permits, like up-to-date information about building permits? It doesn't come up with us very often, but I think it would be nice for us to be able to have access to building permits if something does come up. I wasn't aware of this, but on the building inspector's web page on the town website there is a link to up-to-date online building permits, so you can just, and if anyone's interested I can, you can either find it snooping around on the town website yourself or I can send the link out. But it's, it's pretty cool. I mean, you know, click on different properties or you can do a search. You can search by the, just type in the name of a road. Like I typed in River Road and every building permit on River Road showed up. You know, and or you can narrow it down by address or by applicant or by type of building permit, so it's pretty nifty little tool. So thinking of Ellie, I did send everybody her response about the logging up on Pumpkin Town Road, right? I was trying to download the letter that she referred to that she attached to her email that she'd gotten from the state. Couldn't make it download onto my computer. But, you know, they are doing mitigation. I like the fact that, you know, honestly, Cara, you remember this because I think you were the one who really were flagging this, was that gravel driveway. And what Shelly wrote here, she said gravel driveway. The attorney, the owner's attorney maintains that the driveway was already there before shoreland zoning. We don't agree with that based on the history and scope of the driveway work. So we'll review that further with DEP. That's a crock. That is an absolute crock. That gravel roadway was not there. [1:05:19] Public commenter: Right. You can see it on the aerials. Yeah. And they talked about it. They talked about creating the road. Yeah, and so not down to the shore, at least it might have gone to maybe some, there was a driveway [1:05:33] Speaker B (unidentified): that went to the, if they're trying to make the case that has always been there, that doesn't seem like a very smart thing to do because there's photographs that show it not being there, you know. Okay, well, I just wanted to check that off. The last thing I wanted to just bring up, I'm just doing this sort of all under the header of open space. You saw the emails about that parcel up off of Odeon Road, or Odeon Lane, where the solar project was proposed, which was when I first came on the Conservation Commission. [1:06:23] Public commenter: Were you here when the guy from the Fish and Wildlife Service came? We'd have to go through old minutes, but he came and presented at one of our discussions when the solar company was here, was at the meeting as well. [1:06:39] Speaker B (unidentified): I don't remember that. [1:06:41] Public commenter: Maybe that was right before. But he had talked about, you know, what the value of that is part of adding that into this Great Thicket National Wildlife Refuge. [1:06:51] Speaker B (unidentified): Well, yeah, so you have a much clearer memory. When I went and looked up that property, because I was going up to the pumpkin thing this weekend, and I was heading up there on my scooter, it just flickered through my mind. I wonder what happened to that property. Property. So I looked it up and saw that it was now owned by U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and then I looked it up after I sent that email out to all of you guys. I looked it up in the open space plan, and sure enough, it is listed on the inventory in the open space plan. It hasn't been entered into a state database, which is why, probably why it doesn't show up as conserved land on the GIS map, but I was curious, and then I looked at it, 's like, oh, Great Thicket National Wildlife Refuge, so I looked on their website, and anyway, all this is a very long way of saying, I'm sorry, that I asked Michelle Meyer if she could tell me who was the person at U.S. Fish and Wildlife who kind of ushered that process through of acquiring that land. And she gave me the name of an individual who works out of the office in Wells at the Rachel Carson Refuge. And the name is Dr. Strohmeyer. [1:08:32] Public commenter: I'd have to look at, we'd have to look back at the minutes but he might have been the guy that presented to us well so if he already did [1:08:42] Speaker B (unidentified): that might change my next thought which is to invite him or someone else from his office [1:08:47] Public commenter: to come in oh no i think that's a great idea just because we have more than just that parcel but what else is happening for as part of great thicket because it's a well regional area and he could i mean it's something that would be interest to people we talked about the cottontails for a while to kind of you know have it's not getting as much attention but that successional forest and all that part of that well then I'm [1:09:14] Speaker B (unidentified): going to go ahead and reach out to him because you know I think it would be really interesting to see if some if he or someone else from his office would be willing to come and do like a public presentation it's great I just come to our meeting, but actually come and we can promote it and invite the public. Because one of the things that occurred to me is that as we are kind of assembling our own toolkit for open space conservation, we should be, I'll just speak for myself, I should be better educated about all the different options there are in addition to say the obvious ones you know great works regional land trust or you know all the different forms of conservation easements that people aid or through the town but this would be another one so if we identify a parcel here in town that maybe meets their criteria maybe we can then put something together to hold on what they've already started on all right so well I will I will reach out to dr. Strohmeyer jotted down his first anyway. It's in the shells email that takes care of all clean up. Probably none of you probably have time to check your email again. Pdf copies of this fire and as i look at this i can see the records i don't know if anyone has. I'll bring i'll bring one of these in here. [1:11:37] Public commenter: Golden harvest and main market yeah and if. [1:11:43] Speaker B (unidentified): You know, if you want to put it on your social media, too, I'll go ahead and put it on the Conservation Commission's Facebook. [1:11:53] Public commenter: I'll try to get it to the high school via my daughter, if I can. Okay. You know, she can share it with David at, like, an Interacts club that does, like, volunteer stuff. [Speaker B (unidentified): Cool. All right.] Do that I can't guarantee that she'll shuffle it along but at least I'm sure she has many. [1:12:14] Speaker B (unidentified): Things on her plate yeah this teenager all right well I'm just gonna jump right down to the next item which is really the last item which is around people i write water with my name oh i know because i was going to basically echo what paul already talked about a while ago about situation that our town may find itself in the glittery water district on us that will be again i'm not sure if it's really a conservation commission topic although water conservation you know we've we've not really to. My knowledge we haven't really talked a lot about water conservation and maybe in new england we're kind of traditionally have always had water you know if we were in say central california you know, or Southern California, or frankly, lots of other parts of this country, water would be much more at the forefront of our minds. [1:13:49] Speaker F (unidentified): Other than what? Last weekend or the weekend before? [Peter: Yeah,. Right,.] There's no indication of that. [1:14:05] Public commenter: We did bring up back years ago when a lot of the marijuana,, not just the shops, but where they were doing some manufacturing. We did bring this up and we expressed concern over ground, but that was really groundwater usage. Those are all outside of the sewer. So it was use of groundwater and we brought it up as a concern, but it just kind of got shuffled to the side. So it's not a new concern, but now that in light of the development and if Kittery Water District starts to put a squeeze or anything, then yeah, that is something we need to from a conservation standpoint. So I mean, I see where Paul's coming from, but I think we also have to look at what does that mean and is this really feasible or just some, you know, pie in the sky thing that sounds great. And how do you know there are regulatory hoops that would be required then? Well, creating a whole water supply [1:15:11] Speaker B (unidentified): infrastructure for out of whole cloth just seems like a major undertaking. I guess there's no time to start at least contemplating it anyway. I didn't want to hijack, so I that was the only thing I was going to throw on the round table. So, Tara, do you have anything you want to put out on the roundtable? [1:15:47] Speaker E (unidentified): Not only that, I would love to see that trail usage survey go on. I [1:16:02] Speaker B (unidentified): have all of those surveys with me, and I meant to scan them. I'll do that tomorrow when I'm at my desk. How am I supposed to put this on? [1:16:15] Speaker E (unidentified): What's that? It there is with the QR code, it can quantify survey results, which would be nice. So scanning, I can well and do that because I have, I own the survey, so as we continue to use it as [1:16:32] Speaker B (unidentified): time goes on, we'll want to have these results. So here's a question, so I have them all, they're still all clipped to the clipboard and I don't know, there's maybe a dozen or 15 of them. I mean, I can just key them all in, maybe that would be the better thing because they're going to have to be entered in anyway, so I don't mind doing that. 'll I can just do that over coffee tomorrow [1:16:55] Speaker E (unidentified): morning, just let me know if you want, if you can do that in the in the survey itself, like in Google [1:17:01] Public commenter: Docs, I think, I think we have, you had hard copies at the yeah, some people filled those out and then did we have people, I don't think we had any electronic copies. Okay, well, we can, we can definitely put that on social media and, you know, maybe next meeting we can talk about is Lisa, someone called in, five one, someone's phoning up. I am, it's me. Oh, hi Lisa, can you hear me? Hi, sorry I'm late. We can, we can, we're just talking about the trail survey and getting on social media and then maybe, you know, whenever we're ready to do another newsletter, letter would be good to have it in there and then we could have kind of an ongoing and we talked [1:17:50] Speaker E (unidentified): about maybe having a table at the election, remember which we meeting before then, so we should maybe decide that where [1:18:05] Public commenter: it used to be easier at the gym because there was so much space [1:18:12] Speaker B (unidentified): Last reach out to Wendy when I was here in June. This was the exit, this door right here, yeah. And I was just like, okay, you just sat there, and unfortunately people opened the door, and as they were going out the door they just immediately looked to the right to go to their cars. And so there were relatively few people. I thought, oh, maybe I should bring a boom box and play annoying music or something to get people's attention. But when I talked to Wendy about it later and I said, I should be in the parking lot directly opposite the door. And she said, that's fine. Let's do that next time. So that's how we'll do it. It and I think we can just have a similar setup to what we had for Elliot Festival Day and hopefully I can get some other folks to volunteer. It was a little bit lonely in [1:19:16] Public commenter: June. Can we talk, can you give us like a brief of Elliot Festival Day? We do, I don't really know how Atlanta. You were the only one there all day for the most part. No, let's see, Greg was there. [1:19:35] Speaker B (unidentified): Well, you were there early on and Mara was there as well. I was there for the first half of the day and then yeah, I came, yeah, so we, yeah, so it was fine. And then we, Greg and I packed it up probably around 1 32 because that's when everyone was packing it up. There were probably maybe a third of the normal number of vendors there just because I think a lot of people just looked out the window and looked at the weather report and said I'm not gonna pack up my van with all my traps and set, you know, it was not, it actually wasn't as bad as I think as everybody thought it was going to be, there was relatively, just a little spitting of rain, but the wind was a little bit intense. But, you know, I always used to say this at work at the brewery when we would have like a blizzard, you know, we would have relatively few people would show up, but the ones who did, man, they were the best. Yeah,, yeah. So we always had the most fun when the weather was the worst because the people who came in the door were people who really wanted to be there. And it kind of felt a little bit the same way that yeah, you know, so I think we were, we were interested to see how many people went to fill out that survey really were not really aware of the trails at all, which is a worthwhile data point I think. Yeah, yep, so, but I, thought our little table looked pretty good. You know, we had, we had the nice map that you had done up and,, various and sundry other little doodads. So we'll do the same thing for, the election and just cross our fingers and hope the weather's, so, yeah, so I don't mind. I will reach out to Mike and make sure that the tent and the chairs are out there, and I'll reach out to Mike and Wendy, and then I'll, I don't mind coming in the morning first thing and setting it up, and then we think [1:22:17] Public commenter: at that event, we might want to be soliciting volunteers for the trail work. [1:22:26] Speaker B (unidentified): Yeah, that's a good idea. Yeah. So I think at that point, hopefully by then we will have gotten everything squared away with the state, and that we will be able to have scheduled some dates on the calendar for when we're actually going to want to get out there, and that'll make it, I think, a little bit easier to solicit volunteers if people know exactly what they're volunteering for. Hey, well, continuing with the roundtable, Kari, what do you want to? [1:23:05] Public commenter: Oh, that was really, I just wanted to see how Elliott Festival Days went. I'll have a receipt for the printouts that I'll get to Greg. I think I have to give it to Greg. [1:23:18] Speaker B (unidentified): Yeah, he can take care of that. [1:23:20] Public commenter: Yeah, and then that board, the big board, was free because they cut off a corner of the town. So I said, wait a minute, you didn't line it up where I wanted you to, and she said it's free, isn't that right? Well, now we can make it better. Yeah, exactly. So anyways, I didn't spend that much. I spent, I think, 60 [1:23:44] Speaker B (unidentified): have it done right next time. David, how about you? Do you have anything you want to put on the round table? [1:23:50] Speaker F (unidentified): I'm just kind of curious about this whole development and the developer would have to show that they were fine with whatever water restrictions [Peter: worked] into our regulations or code, that it's really not up to us to go find water. Water usage should be whatever is available. It seems to me that we wouldn't be in a position of having to recycle. I [1:25:02] Public commenter: think the concern, I might have this wrong, is the actual water usage itself. There's no limit, right? And the conservation for long term. Since we're seeing this, like Paul said, there's going to be a lot of these big developments. And so, you know, should we start thinking about water conservation? Reservation. No requirement to do it, really. You know, they have to, there's certain things they have to demonstrate. But, you know, are there ways that we can minimize use of potable water for non-drinking water purposes? And that's kind of what I got from what he was saying. Yeah, I don't. Not that he's asking us to go look for where's water, but if, but that just kind of, That conversation came like, well, if, you know, is there a possibility at Kittery Water District? Because they have expressed concerns at some of these meetings that, you know, they're concerned about some of the development in all the towns. They're asking for a certain amount and for some infrastructure upgrades to support that. And they're providing, can't really talk about it much, but they're providing that support. support so that infrastructure upgrades the navy is paying for that so yeah i think i think [1:26:36] Speaker B (unidentified): the bottom line is that there's going to be a lot more competition for what is in effect a limited reason yeah water from the kittery water district there's no there's no requirement that [1:26:53] Speaker F (unidentified): that the local would have to show that they [Public commenter: would suck] whatever water went on in the town? [1:27:07] Public commenter: Yeah, I don't know that 's... I'd be very surprised. [1:27:11] Speaker B (unidentified): But that's a really valid question, David. I just know, and again, I hate to keep drawing on my own experience, When we built our brewery, our issue was not so much water usage, but discharge into the wastewater treatment system. And in that case, they had very clear limits. You know, our discharge had to fall under certain threshold in terms of, you know, total suspended solids and biochemical oxygen demand and all those kind of things as standard units. And if we and we were originally just saying, well, fine, we'll just if we can't meet those limits, we'll just pay the pay the surcharge. But at a certain point, they're just saying, no, you don't understand. You can't pay a surcharge because we literally do not have the capacity to receive the high-strength waste that you may be putting in. So, we had to really work hard to manage our wastewater and reduce those levels. And so, I think, and I'm going to guess that there probably, if there aren't already, there will be some kind of threshold limits. [1:28:36] Speaker F (unidentified): I know this is a lot of talk about this, and I've got to choose an incredible amount of water. [1:28:50] Speaker B (unidentified): Yeah, and it's just for cooling, too. [1:28:53] Speaker F (unidentified): They'll just suck all the water out and then use. Yeah. You know, I don't know if there's any limit, really. [1:29:13] Speaker B (unidentified): I don't know. One of the things that Paul mentioned a couple times was this notion of, I forget what the term is. Cara, you can help me with this. Basically, when you're trading, you know, if they are developing and they're they're taking out a certain amount of protected resource and in exchange they about banking mitigation banking or yeah and that's you know perhaps that part of what they're doing is I think they're building the airplane while they're flying it right and but I think so he's sort of as he's saying these things I get the sense that he's kind of kind of working it out as he's describing it but when he's talking about Perhaps creating incentives for the developer to find ways to say repurpose gray water and storm water for irrigation as opposed to using potable water that one of the only levers really that the town has to create an incentive is that mitigation banking thing. I'm not sure if that's necessarily the best use of that policy because if someone's gonna gobble up I don't know two acres of wetlands I think the mitigation or the or the trade-off has to be comparable in you know it has to be yeah and I Have to go [1:30:55] Public commenter: Back and look at that ordinance again but if it's specific to wetlands then no we can't be throwing this stuff in there yeah and if it's and you know we talked about like the mechanisms of making that ordinance work and I don't think we ever me I never went forward and presented anything but you know one of the things we talked about was what's called functions and values assessment where you look at hey what does this wetland provide and are you going to give that you know make sure those Functions are created somewhere else so water is a different thing this is what they're talking about so I don't know if they want to create some sort of trading with water which seems odd to me since we don't own the water there is just look quickly at this site location development act which would be one of the regulations they would have to file for a big development like this which does have a public water has a water use component to it you know they basically have to get a letter I think From the from the water public water source that says there's enough water [1:32:04] Speaker B (unidentified): Well and to your point David that's so that sounds like there is so there could be some other things [1:32:09] Public commenter: But it's something we should definitely, I think we should continue in this conversation with the planning board and from a conservation standpoint and making sure that those, you know, protected natural resources that were part of this ordinance don't get traded for some consumptive use of water. [1:32:31] Speaker B (unidentified): Yeah, and that's partly what I mean by building the airplane while they're flying it, you know. So, well, you know, I guess for me, part of, one of the takeaways for me is that, you know, we've been as a, as a group we've been putting a lot of focus on developing our open space plan and now a lot of our focus is going to be on implementing that plan, which I think is really important and definitely I think should be our primary focus, but I would think we might want to move water conservation kind of up the list. I gotta say when I got that notice from the Kittery Water District, we've only been on town water for a year, at town water, yeah, we had it extended down to our house, we went in halves with our next door neighbor about 10 years ago and I'm really glad we did because our well, we had a really crappy well and it was, it would get salty on us every now and then, yeah, and that was scary because there are like four wells on our property that have been abandoned over the hundreds of years. And I'm sure they all got abandoned because they all got salty. So anyway, getting that notice, you know, with the water restriction was a real shot across the bow. It's like, oh, okay. So it is a deal, you know. And so anyway, I just, I just think when we're, when we're looking at, when we're reviewing projects going forward and, maybe it's a thing that we should, you know, we should tip Dawn off to Don Emerson as something that is going to be of special interest to us is in addition to wildlife habitat and impact on shoreland zone and protected, you know, resources and all the things. Water probably should be on that. [1:34:48] Public commenter: Maybe that's something that would be a good topic at your, at the conference. Yeah. Because I'm sure other municipalities are dealing with similar issues. Yeah. [1:35:25] Speaker B (unidentified): Okay, well, I think that, oh, shit, I'm sorry, I forgot about you, Lisa, I'm sorry, Lisa, do you have anything you want to add to the roundtable, or just add in general? That [1:35:45] Public commenter: comes to mind, but I'll just, I'll catch up on the minutes for last month and this month and get those to all soon. Also [1:35:56] Speaker E (unidentified): happy to help with sharing stuff on social media like the cleanup. [1:35:59] Speaker B (unidentified): And everything okay, very good. Why does she sound like she's calling in from outer space? I have to ask when I come in tomorrow. I'm gonna have to ask him about that because that's not going to do. All right. Well, thank you, everybody. And we'll look forward to seeing your smiling face next time, Lisa, either in person or on the Zoom. I'm not sure why you show up as a little telephone icon. Are you calling in on a phone? [Speaker D (unidentified): Oh, okay.] Well, maybe that's why the sound is so tinny. All right. Anyhoo, anybody want to move to adjourn? And David seconds? All in favor? All right. We're adjourned. Now I got to figure out how to shut this recap of the meeting room off. Yes.