Kittery council backs Rogers Park rezoning, splits on Route 1 housing change

[0:12] Chair Spiller: I call this September 28, 2026 meeting of the Kittery Town Council to order. Kittery is located on land of Pinnacook and Abenaki peoples of the Wabanaki Confederacy who have ongoing cultural and spiritual connections to this land. We acknowledge and honor with gratitude the land and the peoples who have stewarded it through the generations and recognize Kittery's ongoing responsibility to maintain and protect these homelands for our future generations to come. We, the Kittery Town Council, duly assembled, being ever mindful of the frailties of human judgment, seek guidance and direction as we enter upon our duties this evening. Please join me in the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Town Clerk, roll call, please. Councillor Bragg. Present. Councillor Meason. Here. [1:26] Town Clerk: I don't believe Councillor Stephens is here, correct? She's not online, right? [1:34] Chair Spiller: No, we haven't been able to find her. Okay. [1:39] Town Clerk: Councillor Greenwood. Here. Vice Chair McGuire. Here. Chair Speller. Here. [1:44] Chair Spiller: And counselor Stevens is traveling and she was going to join us on zoom but we haven't been able to make that connection. Counselor Clark had an unfortunate accident today and so is not with us and the town manager is indisposed. It's it's that time of the year as the school as the school year progresses. Agenda amendment and adoption. Any changes to the agenda? There being none, we adopted as presented. Town managers report. I get to read the town managers report this evening. Freebie barn seasonal cleaning and closure. As we head into the colder months we want to share an important update on the freebie barn. The last day the freebie barn will be open a season is saturday october 31st. The plan is to close for the winter so we can take the time to thoroughly clean the space, remove current items and then reopen in the spring. The freebie barn is a volunteer-run community resource and does not have heat making seasonal closure necessary during the colder months and that has been our practice Since we reopened it several years ago, the donation deadline is October 10th. We will stop accepting new donations after Saturday, October 10th. The barn will remain open through the rest of October with the goal of everything must go. We will begin accepting donations again in the spring when the barn reopens. Volunteers, we do need volunteers. We're always looking for people to get involved. If you're interested in making a direct impact on our community, please consider volunteering for a Wednesday or Saturday shift, and we do have a sign up on our webpage. Just do a search for Freebie Barn volunteer, and of course thanks to our volunteers who make the Freebie Barn such a valuable resource to our community. Customer service center closure for staff training. The customer service center and town clerk's office will be closing early on Thursday, October 1st at 434 for at 4:30 p.m. For a staff event. To make up for the shortened hours, the office will have extended hours on Friday, October 2nd and remain open until 3 p.m. Community First, a nonprofit fair that's going to be Wednesday, October 7th from 1030 to 12 p.m. In the Kittery community gymnasium, it's a great opportunity to learn about more than 30 local nonprofit and community organizations and discover ways to get involved and connect with those organizations. The New England Fiddle Ensemble will be performing throughout the fair. Kidney board and committee service, we're always looking for people willing to serve on our town. Currently, the Board of Appeals has member vacancies. As a Board of Appeals member, you will help your community review appeals and requests involving permits, variances, property standards, and special acceptance uses. Love Lane construction. As construction continues on Love Lane, all required permits have been issued. Town staff have directed the development team to deploy flaggers. When wrong way maneuvers are necessary, recognizing that some equipment might not be able to make turns from Wentworth Street to maintain public safety during construction. Town-owned property right-of-way on Rogers Road. At our last council meeting, we heard from a local resident about the triangular piece of property right-of-way that's town owned on rogers and whipple staff are looking into the right-of-way and what may what we may be able to do with this property in the future to best use the space we do have some upcoming dates absentee ballot applications are available now until a number november 1st at town hall all. Voting absentee is a great way to avoid the crowds on election day. Spaghetti Supper at the KCC, September 30th from 5 p.m. to 7 p.m. Community First Nonprofit Fair, October 7th from 10:30 a.m. until 12 p.m. Town Hall closed. Indigenous People's Day, October 12th. Trick retreat in Kittery October 30th from 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. And finally the town will be hosting the USS Columbia and that will be over a probably a two year period and I'm going to turn to my left and turn to my right. We're looking for a council representative to be on the welcoming committee. Anyone feel impelled to serve at function? I don't see anyone risk raising their arms. After the meeting I will come around and twist a couple of arms. I don't want it on, I don't want it recorded though. Acceptance of previous minutes, we've got, let me see, we've got one, two, three, four, five sets of minutes. February 25th 2026 regular meeting, April 13th 2026 regular meeting, April 13th 2026 special meeting, April 27th 2026 special meeting, and May 4th 2026 special meeting. Any are here any changes for those, me those minutes after you've reviewed them? Not hearing any, all in favor of adopting as presented, unanimous. Thank you. We don't have any interviews for the Board of Appeals or the Planning Board. All items involving the town attorney, we don't have any special reports. We do have two public hearings and notice of these public hearings was posted on September 20th. The first public hearing, the Kittery Town Council moves to hold a public hearing on title 16 zoning map amendment Rogers Park conservation area. Just a little bit of background, previously the Rogers Park was in the RU district, which is a residential district, not appropriate for the Rogers Park, which is a conservation area. So the conservation commission has started an initiative to change the Zoning, they presented it to the planning board, which voted unanimously to support that change. So I'll open the public hearing. Anyone wishing to speak, please come forward, identify yourself. No one coming forward. Anyone watching remotely wish to speak to it? Okay, I'll close the public hearing and pleasure of the council on this item. Let's just get a, I move that we adopt it. Okay, and do I hear a second? Okay, now therefore in accordance with Title 30 A MRS 3001 and town charter 214, the town of Kittery hereby ordains amendments to the Kittery's land use and zoning map as presented. Any discussion, council discussion on this item? Could we ever, I do have a question. I'm sure that the planned ordinance will not impact the KCC campus plan in any in any way, right? Yes, thank you. If there's no, if there are no further comments, could we have a roll call please, Town Clerk. Councilor Mason? Yes. Councilor Greenwood? Yes. Councillor Bragg? Yes. Vice-Chair McGuire? Yes. Chair Spiller? Yes. Motion passes five in the affirmative and none in the negative. Our next public hearing, the Pewter Town Council moves to hold a public hearing on Title 16 Zoning Amendment Request, Commercial Zone 1. And the proposed amendment would allow single-family dwellings as a special exemption use in the C-Zone C1 bone on C1 zone on properties with frontage on Adams and Ox Point Drive. Anyone wishing to open the public hearing, anyone wishing to speak to this, please come forward, identify yourself. Just you just come forward, yeah. Don't [11:36] Dave Derling: sign it. Hi, I'm Dave Derling. I live at 29 Adams Drive. I would like to express my support for the proposed amendment to 16.4.19 in the land use code, which will allow single-family dwellings as a special exemption use in the commercial Route 1 C1 zone for Adams Drive in the front part of Ox Point. I know we're not talking about a specific development, but in the particular instance of this development that's hanging out there somewhere, the modification of the land use code would allow developers some flexibility in meeting objective four of the comprehensive plan, which calls for the town to provide a range of housing types. While I agree that the C1 zone isn't the ideal location for single family homes, the fact of the matter is that there are currently residential neighborhoods of single family homes along Route One. And to limit further housing options to just townhouses and apartments doesn't reflect the reality of the current housing situation there. I think there's a letter that was submitted by the Conservation Commission regarding this. I disagree agree with the Conservation Commission's blanket assertion that the commercial zone is exactly the place where denser housing belongs. As one can see by just driving down Adams Drive, Adams Drive, although it's partially zoned commercial, is a residential street and should remain so. I also disagree with the Conservation Commission's concern that traffic would be more of an issue with single-family homes. That just flies in the face of reason. What do you think would create more traffic, a dozen single-family homes or 40 apartments? I urge the council to accept the amendment to the land use code. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else [13:38] Chair Spiller: wishing to speak to this? My guess is that many of you in the audience are butters are in this zone and are okay. Why don't you go ahead? You could [13:52] Mike Temple: you can fetish it's Mike Temple. I live at 17 Adams Drive and we pushed, Bob and I pushed for this amendment because I do not want town houses. I don't want 50 freaking houses beside me or behind me. I don't want apartment building built because I know a lot of the housing. The housing authority was pushing for more and more. How much can this town of Stain soar water or even electric on the grid? And honestly, I would rather see the amendment so it can do single families in there. It's not going to make the traffic anymore. It ain't going to be any worse than what it is. And that's my thought on it. [14:52] Chair Spiller: Thank you. Anyone else wishing to speak? 17 [15:04] Wayne Pearson: Adams Drive also. We're looking at the amendment we want to change it to the single family and not the mega built that they're looking for. I know they're pushing for the affordable housing but what is supportable in this town anymore? We all can't live here anymore because everything keeps going up. So single family is what we would love to see. So and then eventually a red light there but [15:29] Mike Temple: so thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? Oh [15:40] Chair Spiller: Anyone watching remotely, if you'd wave your hand. Councillor Bragg? Well, no, okay. We did receive, we do have a comment from the Conservation Commission. The Conservation Commission would like to respectfully submit a public comment in opposition to the amending Kittery's commercial zone. Why the Commission opposes this density? One, density in the right place. Tense Kittery needs more housing, and the commercial zone is exactly where denser housing belongs. With a smaller footprint per unit, the current zone supports this as attached and connected housing creates more residences per square foot. Single family homes work against it. They add more lot area per unit, more road frontage, more driveways, more cleared land for the same number of people housed. This amendment doesn't just permit a single family housing style, it reduces the density this zone was designed to support. Two, traffic concerns. The Planning Board has weighed what this amendment means for Route 1 access. Single family subdivisions mean each home has its own driveway onto the local road, all converging on the same stretch of Route 1. Attached and connected housing is normally built with shared access points, fewer curb cuts feeding that corridor. Residents here already described difficulty exiting onto Route 1 during the busy season. Adding more individual single-family driveways in this same area is more likely to compound that problem than to solve it. It. Three, Spruce Creek. Single family development means significantly more impervious space per housing unit than attached or connected housing, more driveways, expanded lands, longer road frontage, all of which increase stormwater runoff into the creek. Whatever is built on this parcel of land, on this parcel, will affect that waterway. A zone-wide amendment expands the risk to Spruce Creek and other areas as well. For housing alignment, density is the intersection of agreement between the housing and the housing committee and the conservation Commission. Density creates more housing, and density also better, is better for the environment if it is coupled with open space protections. Thank you advance in advance for your consideration. With that, I will close the public hearing and let me get that pull up the ordinance language in Accord the Kittery Town Council ordains in accordance with title 30 a MRS 301, and do I have the right one here, and town charter section 2.14, the town of Kittery amendments to the to the town code title 16 land use and development code as presented. Pleasure of the council on this item. So moved as presented. Moved by the vice chair. Do I hear a second? Seconded by Councillor Mason. Chair, there's someone I don't know, Brian Moore, if he has anything he wants to say. Sorry, we've closed the public hearing. So I can't, we can't enter entertain any more comments. Discussion council members, any comments on this? [19:52] Councilor Mason: Chair, yes, Vice Councilor Mason. Yeah, so this is I don't love this, and I don't love it because there's obviously a lot of people that are really invested in this neighborhood and feel really strongly about the outcome over there, and I appreciate that, but this making this change really does contradict I think what the town has expressed as a whole for what they want with this the commercial zone one, which is you know designated growth area and an opportunity for Kittery to create more housing. Which is an established priority of the town to create affordable housing, and I think also you know just as a side note, you know allowing this doesn't ensure that single-family homes go in there as I understand it, just allows it to be a possibility, so it doesn't really put a stop to the to the possibility that you know some of the condos or whatever it is that you don't want going in there, and I understand that could I could you know still move forward, and I think if we're gonna make a. Change here it needs to be more thoughtful. This feels really rushed to me. I feel like I don't really fully understand the consequences of this in the c1 zone and in future maybe zoning. So those are my concerns about. [21:06] Chair Spiller: It, and just to remind council we're not changing the entire c1, we're just setting a special exemption for Adams and Ox Point roads. Understood. Any other chair? Yes, can I just ask for. [21:25] Councilor Greenwood: Clarification where allow where this modifying the amendment would afford both right single -family homes and develop bigger? Yes, yeah, so we're just opening the door to single-family homes basically in this space in a small area consistent with. [21:45] Chair Spiller: What is on those two roads and not exiting on to one. Understood chair. [21:55] Vice Chair McGuire: Yes, just I guess a couple comments and maybe a question that I'll just sort of directionally maybe you'll be able to answer. So you just sort of made the one point is as I looked at the comments, both the Conservation Commission's public comment and some of the comments that were in our packet that were presented to the Planning Board, concerns about it changing the commercial zone broad brush in its totality. It sounds like maybe that was entertained earlier in the process, but the current version of this is very narrow and it's by exception in a certain area, so this doesn't really grant any rights that the Planning Board doesn't have the ability to sort of regulate. So it seems like it's very targeted in that in that regard. And then I noticed there were comments with regards to sort of targeted growth areas. I might be confused or I might have missed it, is there anything in the language of what's being proposed to change that makes any change regarding targeted growth areas, or was that no Okay, I didn't think so. All right, those are my two questions, thank you. [23:00] Councilor Mason: One of the things I don't understand is what are the parameters for a special exception? Planning Board could grant this to be a special exception, but what are the rules, what are the mechanics of that? How do they determine if it deserves a special exception, and I don't feel like I know that. [23:19] Chair Spiller: What I will do is call the director of planning and development to come to the podium and explain the thinking that might go into granting a special exception [23:33] Jason Garnum: Good evening everyone, I'm Jason Garnum, Kittery's director of planning and development. Scott, to answer your question, special exception is a defined term in Kittery's zoning code, and part of the definition includes a handful of really broad criteria that kind of mirror, honestly, some of the standards and criteria that go with subdivision or a site plan, but it's things along the line of, you know, this proposal will not unduly burden traffic in the vicinity or create, you know, the excess noise, dust pollution, those kinds of sort of general sort of range of impacts that uses that don't necessarily fit a typical land use category might have on an area. It's really unusual for single family residential development, detached residential development to be deemed a special exception use. That's really reserved for like cement plants or, you know, food processing factories and things that are really difficult to cite, but I do think that one of the reasons that folks like to suggest potentially trickier controversial uses to be categorized as special exception uses is it guarantees that associated proposals go to either the planning board or the Board of Appeals. So ordinarily, detached single family development, in Kittery and Townsend, Maine, go direct to code enforcement for review. But if it's a special exception use, that means it has to go to one of the jurisdictional boards before a property owner can do a project. No problem. Any other questions? [25:43] Chair Spiller: Any further discussion on this? Okay. Could we have a roll call, please, Town Clerk? Councilor Greenwood. [25:53] Town Clerk: Yes. Comes our Mason no comes the Bragg yes vice chair McGuire yes chair Spiller [26:06] Chair Spiller: Yes motion passes for and the affirmative one in the negative our next item discussion by members of the public anyone wishing to speak please come to the podium three minutes per person identify yourself I will take a moment and let people leave take their phones outside okay here we go all right got your timer you know the timer I'm I'm good I'm gonna be good [26:48] Chris Souder: And I just know you very well by the timer yeah okay all right here we go good evening my name is Chris Souder and I live at Yankee Green a mobile home park owned by Boa Vita a California based investment company. First, thank you for your unanimous vote in July to put a 180 day moratorium on lot rent increases while Kittery considers a permanent ordinance. That vote gave residents breathing room and we appreciate it. Before the vote, Chairperson Spiller said the town will act if the state did not act first. We do not expect the state to act first. We do not yet know who will control the legislature or the governor's office after November election or whether anyone will introduce another statewide rent stabilization bill the last attempt resulted in non-binding mediation not a limit on rent increases even if a stronger bill passes next year as a non-emergency legislation it would ordinarily take effect about 90 days after legislative session ends that likely means fall 2027 at the earliest our moratorium expires at the end of January we Respectfully urge the council to begin drafting Kizari ordinance now. Residents have researched ordinances passed in eight other Main communities and proposals and roughly a dozen more could move forward in the coming months. There are ample examples to help Kittery choose a policy that fits our town. We emailed you a proposed ordinance based on Sanford's, which we would believe offers strong protection for residents struggling to stay in their homes while corporations from away seek greater profits here and that was it [28:40] Chair Spiller: Thank you for your time. Thank you very much. Anyone else wishing to speak? Hello. [28:47] CJ Wong: I'm CJ Wong and I live at Yankee Green. As Chris said, we have looked at what other Maine communities have done. One of our clearest requests is an annual increase limit with a fixed percentage as its upper limit. Some towns tie the allowable increase to inflation measured by the consumer price index for the Northeast. Sanford goes a step further. Its standard limit is the lesser of inflation or 3%. If inflation is below 3%, the lower number applies. If inflation climbs, a routine rent increase does not automatically climb with it. That distinction matters. Northeast inflation has moved considerably in recent years. Recent published figures are above 4%, and energy costs have been especially volatile. None of us can confidently predict where inflation will be next year. Residents need a limit that remains meaningful when prices spike. Which is why we ask you to consider a fixed ceiling of three percent. This does not mean ignoring a park owner's legitimate costs. The proposed ordinance lets an owner apply for a larger increase and show why it is needed. What we oppose is making residents absorb a higher increase automatically whenever inflation rises. Many residents are on fixed incomes. They cannot not simply pass their own higher costs along to someone else. A lot of people in this room are struggling right now. Private equity is not a person and does not deserve the rights and privileges of a person. Our monthly rent goes to out-of-state investors and not back into the Kittery community. We are the people of community of Kittery in this room here today. We ask you to pair a clear annual limit with a fair evidence-based review process. My neighbor Diane will be speaking next to explain how that process will work. Thank you. Good. [31:12] Diane Pearson: Evening I'm Diane Pearson CJ described the increase limit I feel I need to know what happens when a park owner wants higher rents local rent stabilization ordinance have been a process to get owners to get an exception in smaller towns and existing officials handles that review we believe Kitty should appoint a volunteer rent stabilization board to hear requests make decisions that handles the review instead we believe Kitty should appoint a volunteer rent stabilizer board to hear requests and make decisions a board needs to be independent the members should be have no financial connection to the park owner we propose that they should not be park residents either that would give both sides confidence that requests get fair hearings Sanford's ordinance is useful guidance for which cost to a board should get to consider the park owner seeks an increase above the normal limit the owner should provide records showing the relevant costs and why the target increase is necessary residents should receive notice opportunity to respond the board would have them approve reduce or deny in requests based on the evidence we recognize that park owners are entitled to reasonable return we also believe residents deserve protection from increases that have not been justified an independent board financial disclosure and written standards to help Kittery honor both principles are needed there is one more protection in Sanford's approach that matters a lot to residents where rents are already high Scott will speak about that affordability actually it's going to be Wayne we just need help understanding clarity I know I didn't go in my three minutes but we really need it good evening [33:35] Wayne Pearson: I'm Wayne Pearson and I live at Yankee Green that's a mobile home park owned by and I'd like to talk about the annual percentage limit Chris CJ and Diane have discussed is essential but a percentage alone doesn't address a rent that has already become unaffordable, an existing rent that's already above any limit that would apply. A 3 percent increase on a very high rent that's already very high still pushes that rent even higher every year. Sanford has addressed this with an affordability threshold, an approach that has since appeared in proposals in Wells, Augusta, Standish, and other towns in Maine. And this threshold is set at 40 percent, the one in Sanford is set at 40 percent of the median monthly Social Security income average in New York County at about $720 in 2026. Under that approach, an owner seeking to raise a lot rent that's already above that threshold would need to first get approval from the Rent Stabilization Board. board. It's a review requirement, not an automatic rent reduction. That review matters in communities where corporate park rents have approached $1,000 a month. For seniors and people with low incomes, an increase in that level can threaten their ability or our ability to remain Maine in a home that we own. Some Kittery residents including residents in Boa Vida's parks in Maine are already paying lot rents they struggle to sustain. And we ask you to include an affordability threshold in Kittery's ordinance so that these increases receive individual scrutiny. People are paying different park rents in the same park. keeping manufactured homes affordable also helps preserve one of the town's limited sources of lower cost housing when residents are priced out they must look for housing elsewhere in a market that's already difficult to afford thank you for the moratorium please begin work on a permanent ordinance now while there's still time to put protections in place before it expires thank [36:02] Chair Spiller: you thank you anyone else wishing to speak mr cronin we have somebody watching off remotely wishes to speak raise your hand if you do okay so thank you everyone we council did just receive the proposed ordinance today so it isn't that we have been ignoring this issue or ignoring your concerns we appreciate that people are living on the edge that it's often a struggle to meet all the costs that you have we will be working on an ordinance we will update you as that progresses we do appreciate your commitment and your information so thank you very much we have no unfinished business new business kidney town council moves to approve the note November 3rd general election warrant and let's see what we have here okay then this we're notifying voters of the election on November 3rd and on that ballot their voters will be selected electing two members for the Kittery Town Council for a three-year term and two members of the school committee for a three-year term that polls will be open From 8 a.m. Until 8 p.m. and absentee ballots will be processed centrally at 8 a.m., 9 a.m., 10 a.m., 11 a.m., 12 p.m., 1 p.m., 2 p.m., 3 p.m., 4 p.m., 5 p.m., 6 p.m., 7 p.m., and 8 p.m. So, pleasure of the council on this item. [38:57] Vice Chair McGuire: Move to adopt the town meeting warrants dated November 3rd for the election as [39:03] Chair Spiller: Presented second and second move by Vice Chair McGuire seconded by Councillor Greenwood any discussion on this item and there being none roll call please [39:15] Town Clerk: Councillor Mason yes Councillor Bragg yes Councillor Greenwood yes Vice Chair [39:23] Chair Spiller: McGuire yes chair Spiller yes motion passes five in the affirmative and none in the negative the Kittery Town Council moves to appoint the following general election individuals for the November 3rd 2026 state and general election Jillian Richards registrar voters Jennifer Wheeler deputy registrar Deirdre Burke deputy registrar Jennifer White deputy registrar Robert Doyle warden and Robert Gay deputy warden pleasure the council on this item so moved second moved by Councillor Bragg seconded by Vice Chairman McGuire any discussion on this item [40:09] Town Clerk: There being none roll call please town clerk Councillor Greenwood yes Councillor Bragg yes Councillor Meason yes Vice Chair McGuire yes chair Spiller yes motion passes [40:20] Chair Spiller: is five in the affirmative and none in the negative the kiddery town council moves to approve the annual general assistance appendices a through h for the 20 26 27 year this is we are required by law to approve this every year pleasure of the council on [40:42] Vice Chair McGuire: This item move to adopt the general assistance appendices A through H for the 26-27 year. Moved by Vice Chair [40:50] Chair Spiller: McGuire, seconded by Councilor Bragg. Any discussion on this item? I will note it is actually a very interesting document. It breaks down food costs, housing costs, funeral costs by county and then there's a special breakdown for our three communities, Kittery, Elliott, and South Berwick. We are the most expensive, our three communities are the most expensive for all of the state. So even the Portland area, we're often $1,000 more expensive than they are. So the cost of living in this area just keeps rising. If there's no further discussion, [41:46] Town Clerk: Roll call please town clerk Councillor Bragg yes Councillor Mason yes Councillor Greenwood yes Vice Chair McGuire yes chair Spiller yes motion passes 5 in the [41:58] Chair Spiller: Affirmative and none in the negative I'm circulating the document for signature councillor issues or comments we'll start with Councillor Greenwood I just [42:18] Councilor Greenwood: Want to say that I hear what the residents of the parks are saying, and I think it's really important that we do everything we can to protect our community. So I think, I think we need to continue to prioritize that conversation. [42:38] Chair Spiller: That's it for me. Great, thank you, Councillor Bragg. Nothing tonight. [42:44] Councilor Mason: Councilor Mason. Yeah, I just wanted to thank the trustees and the superintendent of the Kiddery Water District for coming down and helping us understand their challenges a little better, and I just appreciate their expertise and their timing and vice. [43:00] Vice Chair McGuire: Chair McGuire. Yeah, I'd also like to thank the folks from the Water District for making the trip over. It was informative. I had seen a version of that presentation previously, and there was some new info today, and it was great to get their perspectives, and it's nice to know that they are applying what seems like appropriate pressure to the folks at the shipyard to deal with some aged water infrastructure that, you know, creates risk for the rest of the town. So was really glad to hear that. Would like to thank the folks from Yankee Green for their continued advocacy and education of us on the issues they're facing as well. And then actually, Chair, I'm hoping I have on my calendar that there is a Climate Ready Kittery thing tomorrow, and I'm wondering if that [43:46] Chair Spiller: is still up to date. So I will turn it over to you. Yes, Vice Chair, that is for abutters of the gate to, so that's a targeted presentation, and we've sent postcards to all the abutters. Terrific, so they should, they should know what's going on. Anything else? Not for me, thank you. Okay, again, I will also thank the folks from the Water District. I think one of the, one of my takeaways from that is that we need better communication in both directed in both directions, and we'll, we'll work on that. The P-1080 project, that's a big Navy initiative that involves running new power lines, improved water mains. The town is working to try to get a handle on that. The Navy is – the Navy Yard is doing a good job of communicating with us, but we feel we need to have more involvement in permitting and public hearing, the public hearing process. We'll try to keep you up to date on that. On a more happy note with the Navy Yard, they are willing to donate some cannons, some 1848 cannons, to the town. Well, don't, not really, they're going to lend them to us, and the idea is that they will be, will be located in John Paul Jones Park, so we'll let you know as that develops. We need to do some work on how they can be the pad that they, that they sit down and some of, some other things. I do want to remind counselors that we do have an October 15th meeting, that's a Wednesday meeting, and October 26 we do have a 5 p.m. Workshop on TIF districts. Any committee reports? There being none, do I hear a motion to adjourn? Second. Move by Councillor Bragg, seconded by Vice Chair McGuire. All in favor? Aye. Thank you all. Thank you, Councillor Bragg, for running the computer.